'2nd Lebanon War defeat was result of distance from God'

look all those jews... thats the real jews i know in my world
good peoples that reject opression and injustice


they are like me anti zionist
since zionist can kill without any remorses

if you critic their opinions
is it making you anti semetic ??

reply to post by princeofpeace


Israelis dont need to take up arms in order to protect themselves. All they need to do , is install technology they already posses, all along the border to remove the projectile threat, and police the wall properly to prevent vest bombers. Thats them impregnable. Un touchable. They could install mechanised anti projectile systems capable of tracking and destroying any projectiles from bullets to bombs and everything in between. Then , provided they kept thier arms inside their territory, and stop spreading all over the place (in accordance with international law) they would be in no danger, making thier arguments for tit for tat attacks MOOT . One cannot claim self defense unless one has taken every protective measure . It would be like a tank commander complaining that he got blown up, when he'd left the tank garage with half the armour plate missing. These types we call friggin morons.
By comparison, the Palestinians are going to get the thin end of the wedge every single time.
Theres also the fact that every time a patheticaly small amount of Israeli citizens are killed or injured, the Israelis go out and murder tens of thousands of people, destroy homes, schools, and infrastructure and care nothing for non combatants along the way, making them WORSE than the minute fraction of Palestine which is actively involved in anti Israeli combat and espionage operations. I dont mean a bit worse, I mean so much worse as to make the terrorist factions ranged against them , appear as no threat what so ever.
And lastly , the Israelis complain bitterly at the fact they are surrounded by enemies and terrorists who wish to do them harm... I would understand that complaint if the Israelis had never done anything other than exist, to annoy the neighbors. But building settlements in someone elses back yard would be cause for a kicking in even the most polite of company, so thier arguments and thier fears cannot excuse thier behaviour, and in fact condemn the political elite of Israel as a bunch of fascist pigs with no morals, no souls, and no decency whatsoever. The only way they can remove that cloak of sin, is to install proper measures against attack, so that they can no longer use civilian dead as an excuse for genocide, they must free Gaza, and they must force those Israelis who illegaly settled , back inside the confines of Israel. Only THEN can thier complaints, and thier arguments hold water. Until then , thier words are no more important than the dust they are fighting over.

reply to post by Ben81


Look Ben, your troops have awoken!!! LOL

the ME peace talk will shortly start on CNN
hope some peace agreement will be created
after 20 months without any talks
both side need to POSE DOWN all their arm
and let everybody live where they want
with no discrimination

somebody with a police record cant cross any border .. its simple
but everyone else should be allow to go where-ever they want
it should be like that in the ME
in Canada its like that and the US to
its the right thing to do.. to protect a country from foreign bad peoples

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by Ben81

 

Look Ben, your troops have awoken!!! LOL

since the start of the thread
your troops was on high alert lol
did you get the thread with the propaganda web tool ?
that zionist people have in their internet explorer
that search any new news in a forum or for a vote
that talk about israel

by the way .. we might have argue today
but i dont have anything against you
it was nice talking and debating with you
i alway appreciate a good debate

i will be back more later after my coffee

thanks
hope we can talk again
have a good day my friend

[edit on 9/2/2010 by Ben81]

Originally posted by Ben81
The Evidence ? ...
Cluster mini bombs were used .. BANNED WEAPON

No, they are not banned - try doing some actual research, and you would find that the Convention on Cluster Munitions only applies to the countries that have signed it, Israel has not signed it. even countries that have signed it can still use certain types.

White Phosphorous Shells were used .. BANNED WEAPON

Wrong again, "White phosphorus is normally used to produce smoke, to camouflage movement. If that is the purpose for which the white phosphorus is used, then that is considered under the convention legitimate use."
en.wikipedia.org...

and those are FACTS

No, as shown they are LIES

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by Ben81

 

Look Ben, your troops have awoken!!! LOL

so far i have counted 4 of your troops in this thread
bashing ANY critics about Israel Regime
first time i see that much in a single thread ... im impressed
did the jpost title catched your attention or what

im surprise my troops on ATS didnt wake up yet ahahah

reply to post by dereks


White phosphor use in an urban environment IS banned. Its use to provide cover for an advance is not accepted when used in urban environs.

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i already answer in detail on why they are banned
BECAUSE THEY WERE USED ON CIVILIAN

its not normal that in every war Israel do
most of the killed are innocent civilian
like on the gaza flotilla
where a 19yrs old young turkish american was shot 4 time in back of his head
witness have saw the IDF throwing wounded civilian in the sea

Gaza and Lebanon war = apx 3000 people were killed
Israeli side = 20 ... which 10 of them were killed by friendly fire
Gaza flotilla = 10 killed
Israeli side = 0 killed and a few wounded

i see a patern in those wars that i dont like
i know in wars some innocent die
BUT NOT THAT MUCH ...
im i a bad guy to disagree with the quantity of civilians killed ?

Originally posted by TrueBrit
White phosphor use in an urban environment IS banned.

So of course you can post a valid reference where that is stated... Unless it is just something you made up!

Originally posted by Ben81
i already answer in detail on why they are banned
BECAUSE THEY WERE USED ON CIVILIAN

no, they were used on terrorists using civilians to hide amongst.

Gaza and Lebanon war = apx 3000 people were killed
Israeli side = 20 ... which 10 of them were killed by friendly fire
....
i see a patern in those wars that i dont like
i know in wars some innocent die
BUT NOT THAT MUCH ...

The answer to that is Israel build bomb shelters for all their civilians, whilst the terrorists who attack Israel hide amongst civilians, and launch rockets at Israel from residential areas.... Why dont the terrorist avoid hiding amongst civilians - because they care nothing for them!

reply to post by dereks


en.wikipedia.org...

"There are multiple international laws that could be seen regulate WP use [3]. Article 1 of Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons defines an incendiary weapon as 'any weapon or munition which is primarily designed to set fire to objects or to cause burn injury to persons through the action of flame, heat, or combination thereof, produced by a chemical reaction of a substance delivered on the target'. The same protocol also prohibits the use of incendiary weapons against civilians (already forbidden by the Geneva Conventions) or in civilian areas."

So the Geneva Convention is just ONE set of laws being crapped on here.

[edit on 2-9-2010 by TrueBrit]

reply to post by dereks


I have heard those reasons over and over and over and over again
that excuse the killing part
NO KILLINGS CAN BE EXCUSED IN MY WORLD
My Father and Creator ..
God have guided me through the right path
so far what did HE teached YOU ??

i will not write longue statements again
i have writen enought for today
i just have this to say : the truth save lifes ... lies kills lifes

this video is for you .. a nice Rabbi is talking in it
(i have filtered it .. there is no racist or anti semetism inside.. so its respectfully 100% safe)


Rabbi Yisroel Weiss
is a wise man that seek the truth like me

reply to post by Ben81



Israel Lives ABOVE NATURE !

I believe he is stating that without the intervention of God, Israel would not have been able to establish itself as a nation. That although man won the battles, it was through the miracle hand of God that those battles were won.
That these same men have forgotten to include God in their lives and in their fight and therefore were not able to defeat their enemy.

Anyway, that's what I believe he meant by that statement.

I didn't think it was an all-out war like the last 5...

That's why.

Originally posted by CanadianDream420
I didn't think it was an all-out war like the last 5...

That's why.

6 day war against so many
the gaza and lebanon war lasted even more longer than that

Miracle ?? thats a speculations
maybe maybe not
every side makes ones
if it was a miracle than today no miracle will happen
that will help Israel

the miracle is the USA giving everything they have for Israel
billions of $$$ each years donated
all the military aid given freely
the 2 wars (Irak and Afghanistan)

thats a miracle
i dont say its not good helping a friend
but not at the cost of it soul, life, reputation

Originally posted by palg1
reply to post by Ben81

 

Israel Lives ABOVE NATURE !

I believe he is stating that without the intervention of God, Israel would not have been able to establish itself as a nation. That although man won the battles, it was through the miracle hand of God that those battles were won.
That these same men have forgotten to include God in their lives and in their fight and therefore were not able to defeat their enemy.

Anyway, that's what I believe he meant by that statement.

the best miracle so far
is that they Trojan Horsed the most powerfull country in the world
THE USA
if thats not a miracle ... i dont see what it his

The Bible is pretty much full of...

God looks after Israel,
Israel turns away from God
God stops looking after Israel and/or punishes them
Israel says "We're sorry God"
repeat above..

If as Solomon said, there is nothing new under the sun - I don't see why the above couldn't still be going on...

This is zionism... proof that its bad for the world but not for zionist:
Video explaining EVERYTHING

911 Missing Links vid

thats why the main thread title that they distancing themself from God
i beleive the title to be correct

Originally posted by Ben81

they always use the same reasons .. but but but HAMAS HEZBOLLAH shoots rocket at us...

that 99% of the time fall in open fields and do no damage at all

I know some of the rockets that have been used against Israel are know not be in accurate, I do, however, think they are better then one percent effective. I could not find a study showing how effective they are but I did find this.

month in which 15 percent of Israel's territory was hit by nearly 4,000 Katyushas,

haartz

If you want to do the math go ahead and do it. 4000 rockets over 15 percent of Israel. Probably better then one percent will score hits.