Black Triangle UFOs: 'Not piloted by alien beings'

Zorgon, Sherpa, good to see both of you back on the boards Now, can you provide any links or reference material to the channelled material? Sounds like it might be interesting reading...

The BT I witnessed was in 1978, it was very large, silent, was in view for approximately 5 minutes as it flew directly overhead, stood on its tail and zipped right up and out of view in milliseconds; the 2 people with me at the time both saw exactly what I did, and the peculiar part of it is that my boss was a former Lockheed retiree and other than confirming that he witnessed what we did, he refused to discuss it. Period. Subject closed.


Again, good to see you both.

seeker

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To be honest Zorgon and myself maybe at odds about the the whole Vril issue I don't know but here is what I have found.

A lot of the legend about Maria Orsic or Orschitsch and the Vril society tends to originate from white extremists sites I am not going to post the link here but it seems to have surfaced around about 1960.

If you want to find out for yourself just Google her name and/or Vril you will find plenty out there pertaining to this and you can make up your own mind

Her is a small snippet from wiki :

Willy Ley was a German rocket engineer who had emigrated to the United States in 1937. In 1947, he published an article entitled "Pseudoscience in Naziland" in the science fiction magazine Astounding Science Fiction. There he attempted to explain to his readers how National Socialism could have fallen on such a fertile ground in Germany.
He explained this with the high popularity of irrational convictions in Germany during the time. Among other pseudo-scientific groups he mentions a very peculiar one: "The next group was literally founded upon a novel. That group which I think called itself Wahrheitsgesellschaft - Society for Truth - and which was more or less localized in Berlin, devoted its spare time looking for Vril."
The article by Ley, and two small pamphlets by a "Reichsarbeitsgemeinschaft‚ Das kommende Deutschland", that describe a perpetual motion based on Vril, are the only real basis for the speculation that set off later.
The Society for Truth that Ley describes was conducting 'research' on the existence of Vril. One can assume that it did not succeed, since the existence of Vril would not comply with common physics. However, it may not be related in any way to Nazi organizations.
On the other hand, theories around the Nazi's wonder weapons might support links to research to the existence and application possibilities of Vril, for example in the purported top secret and highly sensitive scientific technological device Die Glocke.

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Ummhumm,,,early 60s saw an antisemitic movement in politics. In fact there are several layers of disinformation over time starting with the nazis, then the Allies, then again in '47, 60s, all the way up till now, a kind of perpetual campaign to keep the lid on. The truth of the matter is they have always been in charge, Werner Von Braun got accolades while Robert Goddard died of exposure, and it was from Robert Goddard where Werner Von Braun got his ideas from.

I was raised back in the day of UFO's being saucer shaped, now they are triangle and the only triangles I know are man made. I saw the B2 break out of a fog then return quickly back to it when the B2 was still secrete.
It made no noise and was probably as low as 1000 feet. Fortunate for me, I knew of the B2 so It was more like dang I just saw the B2 and it was cool!
So I'm sure many different triangle craft have been made flown, revamped and then put in the garbage because something better was created.

I haven't experienced triangle craft that would make me think it was ET craft, only the words of others that have experienced unusual flight and speed from these shapes.
Slow and big reeks to me like man made.
I know black ops projects hide behind the cover of the UFO phenomenon so until something is confirmed I have to say it's man made.

Originally posted by MatyasWerner Von Braun got accolades while Robert Goddard died of exposure, and it was from Robert Goddard where Werner Von Braun got his ideas from.

Konstantin Tsiolkovsky had them all beat

And he knew about the Mines on the Moon a long long time ago. In 1886 he designed THIS



And Herman Oberth was talking about "electric spaceship not ionic propulsion" when Von Braun was in Nazi diapers

Old knowledge is lost... the books are hard to find, the truth gets buried deeper

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Your right about Herman and Konstantin. Real pioneers. But need I relate the obvious? One can draw many parallels between the state of our economy and per-WWII Germany.

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But need I relate the obvious? One can draw many parallels between the state of our economy and per-WWII Germany.

One can almost forgive the German people for letting Hitler and nazism happen much of the populace were without jobs, the economy in decline, many found it difficult to find food to eat and along came this guy that apparently was a rousing orator promising a brave new world with health, wealth and happiness for all.

Unfortunately he delivered initially which just compounded the problem as more flocked to his support.

Can we learn from history, I hope so.

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Hi cheapshotartist,

Totally agree with your source. Other than superheterodyne short delta shaped vehicles w/honey comb-like modules (25% of bottom structure) beneath and near the centre of the the craft (appx 20w x 25 mtrs in-length (smaller models July/47)), As Fouche says the latest are based on that design (different propulsion system) are work through an electromagnetic system. "circular accelerator utilizing a mercury-based plasma rotating at 60,000 RPM, pressurized to 160 atmospheres, super-cooled to 160 degrees Kelvin..."

Decoy

Well,they are man made craft using known technology in a different way than it was originally developed for.

They are "air filled" in a sense but not the way one would think.

I will post a link to the technology and then you will have to use your imagination as to how these craft operate.

Ion craft

This has been reported by many witnesses.

"I distinctly heard a low pitched humming sound being made by the craft. "The sound reminded me of a 600 amp 60 hertz transformer under maximum load.

Look closely at this drawing that a witness described of the underside of a craft as it went over his head.




What do you suppose the series of evenly spaced round indentations would be for?

Follow the first link and instead of the device blowing down it blows into a compartment.......

Of course since I have posted this so far down in this thread,nobody will read it,which is fine with me.

Nobody wants to know the truth on this site anyway.

Originally posted by OneolddudeNobody wants to know the truth on this site anyway.

True that is. Your ionocraft is at the beginning. As I progressed deeper into the maze here and there I found a hand pointing down which said "dead end", another further along which said 'danger!" and yet another screaming "forbidden!", yet the maze continued on. And on and on I traveled, seeing many strange and curious things as my end of life gained upon my heels.

Then I came to a room with two great doors barred shut and a chest high vase to my right, and when I looked inside it was filled with star sprinkled limitless space. And there was a light beyond the space which warmed me to the deepest part of my soul. Then the doors opened.

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Well just to be polite I have read your post Oneolddude and I am always interested in the truth as long as it can be proved to be so rather then just a belief that it is the truth.

Following your link I see that you are pointing peoples attention to the Ionocraft published in Popular Mechanics dated August 1964.

People have been building these models for some time but I have never seen anything that has progressed beyond the balsa wood and tin foil examples.

There does not seem to have been any useful application of this technology in over 40 years and I do not understand your reference to the indentations, perhaps you could elucidate on that a little more.

And last but perhaps most importantly of all could you tell me how you are so sure about this statement :

Well,they are man made craft using known technology in a different way than it was originally developed for.

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The ionocraft is a power hog but it does work. That is how I started out thirty four years ago. It was a long journey to electrogravitics and the last thing anyone needs before starting out on that road is discouragement. I would like to point out the great number of patents relating to ion wind from that era, and their inevitable mutual convergence upon the Coanda effect. And when we speak of fluids, vortexes come into play, which essentially are thermodynamic. And then there is the ultimate fluid, the Aether, which obeys the laws of electrodynamics. And it is the last by which all exists. Nowadays they call it spacetime, nonetheless whether Aether or spacetime it is still the Dirac sea.

The ionocraft is a power hog but it does work

I would not dispute that it works Mat but I would dispute that there is any proof that it can be scaled up from the model stage and applied to any large craft.

I would like to point out the great number of patents relating to ion wind from that era

The problem with patents is they do not automatically mean that the subject matter works take this little beauty for instance :



Looks good doesn't it and a project for what used to be a very well known nationalised institution unfortunately it was declared unworkable.

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Originally posted by Matyas

Originally posted by theMegaladonWhy go to such extremes in man power funding and secrecy for a psychological operation?

Now you think about what you wrote there for a long while and get back with me later.

I don't know about you, but i think they are more likely to be piloted by somebody else other than humans:

www.cavinessreport.com...
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"In 1992, I was discharged from the US Navy and went back into civilian life after 10 years of service total. In the following years, I had my first recognizable UFO sighting and by 1999 had decided to become a UFO investigator. Around 2007, I was skimming through a UFO book and happened to notice a UFO case involving two US Navy F-14 fighter planes. I didn't even make a connection at first, but then, I suddenly remembered the incident back at Cecil Field where my shipmate had told me of a squadron losing two F-14s at the same time but not due to a midair collision. Was the incident in 1988 really a UFO incident? I read on. I saw in the book the exact date and location of the incident and realized that this had to be one and the same.

The author stated in his book that on December 28, 1988, at approximately 7:45 pm, a large triangle craft roughly the size of a baseball field was seen moving steadily along in the region near the naval air station in Puerto Rico, according to many witnesses (over a hundred). Three F-14s intercepted the moving UFO and apparently tried to force it to change its course. As the navy fighter planes engaged the large craft, it slowed down its forward speed almost to a standstill. One plane, in particular, stayed mostly to the right of the UFO and another stayed behind the UFO making close approaches at times. The third plane apparently stayed a bit farther out. The F-14 in the rear came close to the object, but as it flew either over or under the object, it was not seen again. Small red lights were also seen at times flying outside the large craft and may have served to protect the craft. It was as if the fighter plane had somehow been drawn into the large craft. The second aircraft made a sweep closer to the large object and was seen by one ground witness—using binoculars—to suddenly disappear—possibly being taken in by the UFO. The third F-14 reportedly high-tailed it out of the area on afterburner with glowing red lights chasing after it apparently in pursuit, according to ground witnesses.

Just after the unidentified craft had confiscated the two fighters, it began to steadily descend almost to the ground. In a blinding flash of yellow light, the large craft divided into two sections—actually, two separate craft. They both quickly flew off in different directions—one heading in the direction of the escaping F-14. The story goes that there was an immediate government cover-up and the military denied the entire story of an unidentified craft. Rear Admiral David Rogers, Deputy Assistant Chief of Naval Operations, in response to an inquiry, told a member of the House of Representatives, that no aircraft mishaps had even occurred during the time of the reported incident and that no aircraft had been lost. (I know better.)

I was amazed by the fact that, after 20 years, I was able to confirm an astonishing UFO encounter directly involving the military. And, I was personally familiar with this very incident—at least from its outer periphery. I knew for a fact that the US Navy in Puerto Rico did indeed lose two F-14s in one day and that there was a top secret investigation—the only time in my navy career that I could not get a follow-up on an aircraft mishap.

In recent years, I discovered that Puerto Rico has been a hotbed for reports and claims of UFO activity including some wildly fascinating reports from many residents in certain areas of the island involving personal contact with nonhuman beings, sightings of strange animal creatures—and underground facilities with many nonhuman residents.

Some of the hottest areas for ET activity are reported to be around the naval base on the eastern end of the island as well as areas along the southwestern corner of Puerto Rico. UFOs have also been seen going into the waters in these areas. Many residents, some with considerable credibility—have claimed to see UFOs all over Puerto Rico since around 1930—including a 1992 sighting of a saucer-shaped craft being chased by a military jet observed by Freddie Cruz—then director of the Civil Defense Agency of Lajas, Puerto Rico."

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Doesn't sound like one of ours. Also doesn't mean it came from "outer space" or triangles are exclusively "alien". We have been swapping for tech, back engineering, and studying ancient texts far too long to not be able to know how.

It also means that there is someone else, and if we piss them off enough it is bad news. I can't tell you how many times I have seen green fireballs falling out of the sky. Nice and slow, not zippy like meteors, and lit up the entire countryside. I thought there would be more interest to go out and pick them up, but I heard nada, zilch, in every case. Your tax dollars at work.

If only one gets through every corrupt politician will have to face the lies they told the American people. And the majority are that. Your Moral Majority. So they keep shooting them down and tell bigger lies to cover the earlier ones.

The war is over us. It is a joint effort to keep telling us what to think and what to do. Humanity is held in a state of permanent siege, and they will move the Earth to keep it so.

Originally posted by MatyasI can't tell you how many times I have seen green fireballs falling out of the sky. Nice and slow, not zippy like meteors, and lit up the entire countryside.

Well NASA agrees with you on those fireballs it seems

Apollo 7

AS7-05-1613


161.115.184.211...

AS07-06-1700


161.115.184.211...

They are not at the original link anymore 'teague' is a name of one of NASA's researchers and that is a temp directory that yields interesting pictures from time to time

He killed his own argument. He said that the military has technology 20 years ahead of the public. So if these things first appeared in 1987, that means we should be seeing hovering flying devices that can accelerate from 0-1000 in a few seconds.

But...um...we don't.

Originally posted by Matyas
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Doesn't sound like one of ours. Also doesn't mean it came from "outer space" or triangles are exclusively "alien". We have been swapping for tech, back engineering, and studying ancient texts far too long to not be able to know how.

It also means that there is someone else, and if we piss them off enough it is bad news. I can't tell you how many times I have seen green fireballs falling out of the sky. Nice and slow, not zippy like meteors, and lit up the entire countryside. I thought there would be more interest to go out and pick them up, but I heard nada, zilch, in every case. Your tax dollars at work.

If only one gets through every corrupt politician will have to face the lies they told the American people. And the majority are that. Your Moral Majority. So they keep shooting them down and tell bigger lies to cover the earlier ones.

The war is over us. It is a joint effort to keep telling us what to think and what to do. Humanity is held in a state of permanent siege, and they will move the Earth to keep it so.

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www.presidentialufo.com...

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GOOD GUYS AND BAD GUYS

Picking up on an implication within a statement from Casey, Reagan asks, "Are you telling me there are different races or species, as you said, visiting Earth at the same time?"

"Can you tell me how many different species have visited us?" Reagan asks.

The Caretaker states, "At least five."

Reagan: "Are they all friendly?"

An advisor who is not named in the transcript reportedly says, "Mr. President, that is a very difficult question to answer. There are many parameters that we follow to evaluate the threat. However, we have little intelligence on four of the five."

"We have plenty of intel on the Ebens ... gee ... they've given us everything we asked for! They have also helped us to understand the other four species. I'm afraid to say, Mr. President and please don't misunderstand my words, but we think one of the species is very hostile."

Reagan is clear about his position. "I'm the President of the United States. I should know if we are endangered by some threat from outer space. If you have something to say about a threat posed by this one species of aliens, then I want to hear it.

Casey explains. "Mr. President, we have intelligence that would indicate this one species of aliens have abducted people from Earth. They have performed scientific and medical tests on these humans. To the best of our knowledge, no humans have been killed."

"We have captured one of these hostile aliens. This gets into some very, very sensitive areas, Mr. President. I strongly suggest we end this discussion and move on to any further questions you might have and then get back to this. I don't think we are prepared to provide you with accurate answers to your questions about the potentially hostile aliens at this time," Casey reportedly says.

Reagan: "OK, but expect this to be given to me as soon as possible. I want to know everything about these hostile creatures so I .... or I mean we should start forming policies on how to deal with them … do we have operational war plans on this?"

Presidential advisor (name redacted): "Yes, Mr. President, we have war plans on all potential threats to our country."

The Caretaker explains further, "We call the hostile aliens simply that, HAV, meaning Hostile Alien Visitors. MJ-12 placed that code on them back in the '50s."

Reagan asks, "You mean to say, these H-A-Vs have been visiting us and kidnapping our people since the '50s?"

Casey: "Mr. President, we have some indication that they might have been doing this for some time. But we really have to consider all of the evidence, listed in our reports, and compare that to some of the open source information."

PUBLIC INFORMATION, DISINFORMATION

The Caretaker: "In order to protect all this information and the fact that the United States Government has evidence of our planet being visited by extraterrestrials, we developed over the years a very effective program to safeguard the information. We call it 'Project DOVE.' It is a complex series of operations by our military intelligence agencies to disinform the public."

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I can't buy most of that interview. The greatest problem is what we term "good" guys and "bad" guys. They can't be humanized to our own standards and concepts. There are no good cops and bad cops. They are all bad. There are only bad guys and badder guys.

Do you think that these beings who we have been sharing the Earth with since our species came along havn't been watching us? They see how we treat our own kind, and they know if unchecked we will wipe them out. Especially since the advent of the atomic age.

And do you think that an ET race would put so much resources and effort to come here to see us? That is laughable. If they are here, which is rare, they certainly didn't come here to see us, don't care about us, or recognize our presence. A good analogy would be a fleet of warships visiting a pacific island populated with natives. They are tolerated as long as they don't interfere with the construction of the airport and base.

I have said it before on many occasions, we are Earth's cargo cult. But why keep it secret from the natives? After all, havn't we been enslaved to build the airport and base?

It is apartheid. The HAVs want us to continue having not to preserve their own kind, and our own leadership does not want its people to have for the purpose of continued control. It is a joint effort in which not only our government but almost all governments are complicit.

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There is no known defense against a particle beam. The copper burns green. And this is what will happen to anyone who dares top the windswept heights with easy grace without authorization.