Black Triangle UFOs: 'Not piloted by alien beings'

The Black Triangle sightings are fascinating. I've dwelled on a number of explanations without finding one in particular that nails all the aspects. The reports often describe peculiar characteristics that evade a 'one-stop shop' explanation.

Would a 'black project' experimental craft be tested near or above large population areas with running lights?

Do stealth bombers run almost silently?

Can a conventional craft cruise below the stall speed?

Can conventional craft manoeuvre from static to slow to phenomenal speeds like the Belgium sightings?

Why do they *appear* to follow major highways?

How many reports are true/accurate/hoaxed?

How significant is the preponderance of sightings being in the USA?

Are they platforms for multi-media listening technology?

There are many more unanswered questions and probably almost as many theories. They remain a mystery.

An idea I've had is focused on the USAF and its history of cointelpro via AFOSI. They've encouraged certain aspects of the UFO phenomena through misinformation...particularly the dark side of ufology. Much of the Dulce mythology has been created by AFOSI agents for one reason or another.

What if the typical black triangle sighting is a deliberate construct by the same elements? Perhaps some of the reported sightings have been reported by AFOSI? Anyone can make a report to NUFORC or MUFON. The appearance of these craft above population centres might be completely intentional. Lights and location imply an aspect of theatre...a deliberate method of attention-seeking?

If this is the case, or partially the case, the black triangles are actually a psyops/propaganda program directed at an audience. This begs the question of who is the audience? Foreign powers? Domestic interests? It's hard to say.

reply to post by Kandinsky


Myself and another witness saw 3 of these in one evening back in November 2007. One flew almost horizontally about 45 degrees above the horizon so we couldn't say for sure it was triangular in shape as we got a partial side view. This was followed moments later by 2 more objects. These were directly overhead and clearly triangular - or should I say the light arrays were triangular. Couldn't see the body of the objects, just three red lights - no central light. They were flying side by side and one of them was rotating about its centre. They were very high and were quickly lost behind clouds.

These were operating over a densely populated area but at a time when the skies of the UK are filled with fireworks. I felt they were some form of newly developed terrestrial aircraft perhaps using fireworks as a sort of camouflage - hoping they wouldn't be noticed.

I have to say that the rotating one was a jaw-dropping sight even though it only lasted a few seconds!

reply to post by torsion
I just can't make my mind up about the BTs. I'm NW England and some reported sightings occurred in the early 90s just a few miles from home. I'd like to have seen what you saw to get a better idea of the craft.

reply to post by bekod


That would make a lot of sense.

reply to post by Kandinsky


I agree 100% with you.

My only issue with anyone saying "hoax" and Black Triangle in the same sentence is how so many people have seen them. Take the incident in Phoenix Arizona for example. thousands and thousands of people saw something huge and shaped like a V in the night sky. Im talking whatever it was, was up to a mile long.

Then that incident in Illinois where all of those Policemen were reporting the same thing and how it went through several police stations over a few counties as far as cops discussing what they are seeing and then warning the next county its headed their way.

And of course the Belgium wave.

Whatever these things are, its almost as if whoever is operating them WANTS them to be seen.

Maybe its a test. Perhaps it is a Government deep black project and they are testing to see how the general public reacts when something that looks "Extraterrestrial" is in the sky in plain view.

Originally posted by CheapShotArtist
Here is another great website with more details on the Black Triangle enigma:

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Thanks, now read this, it's important:

Analysis of more than 700 Triangle Sightings show that a significant number of the above mentioned eyewitnesses are located near areas of population including major Interstate highways. The trend of open deployment as described in this report is not consistent with secret operation of an advanced DoD aircraft. For example, crude examination of the (anecdotally derived) patterns of deployment of previously developed DoD stealth aircraft programs, including the F-117 and the B-2 aircraft, show that the pattern of deployment of unacknowledged F-117 and B-2 aircraft, prior to their acknowledgement by DoD, is different from the patterns for the Flying Triangles. Prior to acknowledgement of the F-117 and B-2 aircraft, only rare night time sightings occurred in the sparsely populated sections of Nevada, California and a few other states (see F-117 and B-2 in 12). Flying at low altitude over populated areas was rarely reported for the F-117 or B-2. In contrast, the Flying Triangle deployment, especially during the 1990s, appears more consistent with the open and public operation of these aircraft. In some cases (for example see the above description of the Port Washington Triangle), the deployment may be more consistent with an attempt to display or to be noticed. There appears to be little or no attempt to hide. Hence, the cumulative recent data from several databases lead us to modify the tentative NIDS hypothesis, published in July 2003, that the Triangles are covertly deployed DoD aircraft.

Maybe in some cases, where the lack of sound is total, could be some sort of holograms.

So you believe that these craft are super-advanced human technology, not used in any practical application: they are simply flown over civilian cities instead of in protected government airspace, for extended periods.

I don't buy it.

Also, these are seen over other countries. There is even -less- chance we'd fly superior technology over foreign airspace, for many reasons. Not among the least is not creating an incident, and more importantly, not risking handing another country our super-advanced technology.

reply to post by fleabit


Unless other countries have the same technology. Which is possible.

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They are man made and some are ET, but there are differences between the two. The ET version if ET at all have been around since at least the rendlesham forest incident. And those were NOT ours imo. But the ET version is much more rarely seen. Project Astra the TR3A black manta and TR3B are supposedly made by Lockheed Martin. If you recall Ben Riches statement "father of the stealth bomber" when he said we now have the technology to take ET home he is referring to the TR3B imo.
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They probably have more advanced versions of the triangles in skunk works. The triangles have been discussed here quite a bit and in the skunk works forum. The reason why there is so much confusion between the ET and man made versions of these craft is because they are replicated from crash retrievals like roswell and corona. The Triangle is a perfect design, it seems to be a universal design in mathematics to physics. The aero dynamics were incorporated in the stealth fighter as you can see and early more primitive design. They have been flying these things since the late 1980's. I have heard the NSA and some black departments of the NAVY have these as well. They could very well be drones or remotely operated due to the G's they can do. This would kill a man unless they have developed some way to manipulate gravity within the cabin.


The reason it has not been declassified is because it back engineered from ET technology. Technology that has been worked on since the nazi bell. Followed by operation paperclip. Just look at the space shuttle. They flew that brick for over 30 years with the same design? No real advancements besides the avionics and materials. The F22 raptor is not exactly state of the art as far as what they keep in skunk works.

Even MUFON knows the TR3B is man made and approaches triangle cases differently than other cases, so i have noticed. They can not confirm or deny but they know what they are. If you are not familiar with Edgar Fouche he is the guy that supposedly worked on these craft. The Biefeld-Brown effect is even still classified, the Tesla ray as well. We are denied these technologies.

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Well that is how i see it.



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Originally posted by Kandinsky
What if the typical black triangle sighting is a deliberate construct by the same elements? Perhaps some of the reported sightings have been reported by AFOSI? Anyone can make a report to NUFORC or MUFON. The appearance of these craft above population centres might be completely intentional. Lights and location imply an aspect of theatre...a deliberate method of attention-seeking?

If this is the case, or partially the case, the black triangles are actually a psyops/propaganda program directed at an audience. This begs the question of who is the audience? Foreign powers? Domestic interests? It's hard to say.

Excellent point!

My thoughts exactly.

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What is your take on the giant versions of the triangles? The ones that are up to a mile+ long.

Good post by the way.

Thanks.

Originally posted by CheapShotArtist
reply to post by theMegaladon

 

What is your take on the giant versions of the triangles? The ones that are up to a mile+ long.

Good post by the way.

Thanks.

Unsure, but it appears they are not ours historically. If you look back to the Kenneth Arnold ufo sighting of 1947 there are some striking similarities to the Hudson Valley boomerang sightings of 1982 -1995. I just do not see us having this technology and design going that far back.

Keneth Arnold crescent UFO 1947
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Hudson Valley 82-95
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As for the Phoenix Chevron/boomerang that is unclear as well. Witnesses described a shimmery almost translucent texture to the hull of the craft. Almost as if it was cloaking itself much like the Klingon and Romulan Birds if prey from the star trek films and TV. Where with the smaller black triangles you do not see that. David Serada was discussing this at a recent UFO conference and raised some good points in saying it came in from the north in the direction of the new Area 52 base in Utah. He believes it was ours and Lockheed built it. But it would take one hell of a large front door and hangar to hide that thing? Imagine the man power and workforce it would take to build that thing "mile long" would be huge! It is like building a Hoover Dam that fly's. Also we have not seen it return since 97. That would mean it had to be a huge failure or has been docked ever since? Then again maybe it was meant to leave to space perhaps another planet ect.

We just don't know

I think it was not ours if you want my honest opinion



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Well, there have been reports of mile long Triangles since the Phoenix incident. The Stephenville Texas UFO wave was basically Triangle related and one man stated how he saw a craft that was so big that it blotted out the sky and he couldnt see the edges of the craft.

My biggest question is where would you store something so big? My best guess would be under the Ocean........or perhaps in a desert some where?

Originally posted by Unknown Origin

Originally posted by Solomons

There is zero evidence for aliens, this is a fact.

That you know of.

You must qualify that statement as such. Only then can it be stated as fact because you have absolutely no idea of what has been covered up.

It is completely pointless to speculate about what if's and maybes, it would never end if people did such. It is more logical and rational to go with what we do know, and that would be that there is no evidence for aliens...simply saying ohhh but the alien evidence could be secretly covered up etc etc adds nothing and is simply a cop out.

Originally posted by CheapShotArtist
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Well, there have been reports of mile long Triangles since the Phoenix incident. The Stephenville Texas UFO wave was basically Triangle related and one man stated how he saw a craft that was so big that it blotted out the sky and he couldnt see the edges of the craft.

My biggest question is where would you store something so big? My best guess would be under the Ocean........or perhaps in a desert some where?

Ahhhh yes the Stephenville case how could i forget? The thing about that case is those fighter jets were escorting it not chasing it according to witnesses. Now why would you escort an alien craft? Are we working with the aliens? Maybe it was ours after all. Yes the ocean or desert would be a good hiding spot. That would be a huge door covered in sand i can imagine. It would have to be camouflaged. Makes me want to look at some google earth photos in certain areas. But i would expect that has been altered and kept from prying eyes if that is indeed ours.

Id be willing to bet a pretty sum that any alien craft we do know about(and expect to come calling)WOULD be escorted as is feasable by our own aircraft.
The whole idea of us building craft of this immense size is ridiculous....
We are not capable of such engineering feats or you would see bridges that hang virtually unsupported by todays standards.
There is absolutely NO reason to believe that even twenty years tech gap could produce the huge triangles.

On the drive side, however, it HAS been reported that ions are indeed responsible for the B2s flight charactaristics.
For its aparent fuel economy (for a jet that size) and range.
from what i gather they ionise the air at the leading edge of the wing with a positive charge and the trailing edge with a negative one.
from the explanation i understood it acted on the plane as if it were flying downhill in level flight if you will.....(highly untech explanation i realise)

There could be some form of crude anti gravity as the something byfield/brow effect, but it doesnt seem too practical as yet and it remains to be proven to be utilised widely for any purpose yet.(that ive heard)

I believe these to be extraterrestrial craft, by the use of occams razor.....
Till more info is available we ALL will be in the dark.
Those who have seen know they are real....
Those who havent, maybe never will see one.

The ETs could be totally uncaring either way concerning us, and may(if they have space flight)be maqny eons in advance of humans whom they consider as next to vermin.
A class 2 civilisation would have to apear as almost majic to humans.
We would be very much unable to understand their motives or methods.
It could be they are going about their business after determining we are powerless to stop them, and not worth the effort to communicate with.

There are a few similarities to sightings which pose a clue to the triangles.

The shining of a powerful beam directly onto the ground in front of these things is common.(when they are flying low and slow)
The Humming sort of sound they make......The absolutely silent ones.....
(seems to indicate differing modes or technologies)
Sizes are often larger than our tech or materials could create....
There have been some reports of electronic equipment being ruined on overflights....batteries etc...but not every time....(two different drives or ships propulsion systems?)

Human mutilations...associated with the hudson valley affair of which ive heard rumours....one attributed to Hyneck where he was for covering these up......(not a similarity yet thank heavens but interesting side note)

It would be great if we all could contribute to the same lists of things about these puzzles......
In a more abreviated fashion than posts.....
sort of a co-operative one place list of differing traits and similarities
all put in one list.

These things have captured my attention for years now, and i am no further than when hearing the first account of the first sighting...
questions abound, answers are unavailable except by deduction.

reply to post by stirling


Ok so let's see what i know and what you don't know.

I have evidence that

a) Humans exist
b) Military black projects exist

You don't have evidence that

a) Aliens exist
b) Intelligent Aliens exist
c) Intelligent aliens that are capable of traversing the galaxy exist
d) That said Intelligent aliens capable of traversing the galaxy are visiting earth.

The weight of probability is more in my corner, doesn't mean i am right...just far more probable of being so.

reply to post by Solomons

It is completely pointless to speculate about what if's and maybes, it would never end if people did such.

Perhaps your point has been lost in translation? It's easily done between what we intend to mean and what people then interpret. Maybe I've misinterpreted your point entirely?

You *appear* to suggest that speculation is pointless. I'd say it's one of the cornerstones of progression. At some point in time, someone speculated about combining images with radio signals...we got TV.

Specifically about the BTs, what's left but speculation? Whether it's about why people make reports, if they saw something or who makes them...speculation is the only avenue.

reply to post by Kandinsky


No, i simply mean that if we speculate in regards to saying...the military know about aliens but are simply covering them up hence there is no evidence for us skeptics we could keep going on forever with all sorts of speculation but no evidence. I could compare it to scientists trying to find life in the universe and basing it on conditions we 'do' know life can survive(like conditions found on earth) rather than searching for life in conditions we don't know for a fact life can survive but many people still say it's possible life isn't carbon based and can survive in all sorts of conditions etc etc I can understand why you find it hard to understand the point im trying to make.... Sorry about that, but im trying.