Mayan Elders view of 5-6 hrs before 2012 and just after

I've watched a video series with Drunvalo Melchizedek on youtube but I'm a little confused. I thought Don Alejandro was the president of the Mayan council of Guatemala and the official source of information regarding Mayan prophecy. I'm a little weary of people like Melchizedek and "Little Grandmother (Keisha Crowther)." It's hard to know who to trust these days...

[edit on 30-8-2010 by Adillin2012]

Originally posted by Realtruth
Well then ATS's motto is to deny ignorance. Wouldn't you agree if someone or group had knowledge to enlightenment it should be freely distributed? It's not hard to do with the advent of the internet, in digital form.

Then why does he charge? if his knowledge is about enlightenment and gaining the higher vibrational frequency, his heart charka should be open, and allow everyone access to the knowledge.

If I personally found info that was a shortcut to enlightenment, I would post it for everyone to read and no charge.


[edit on 28-8-2010 by Realtruth]

I see this response used more and more lately, and I really just have to respond to IT...

I haven't seen any PROOF online (forgive me if someone later in the thread has provided some) that he is a fraud, yet you will call him that based on the fact that he realizes that he MUST make some money off of it to survive.

MOST people who make your very same argument don't seem to notice that this 'shift' hasn't happened yet (if it is going to...), therefore our 'material world' is still unchanged, and working on its normal principals.

Yes, it is POSSIBLE for him to provide much of this information for free, which I'm confident he actually does do, even if it is lectures on youtube or what-have-you... BUT, and I can't say this enough...

PEOPLE NEED TO EAT, AND TO SURVIVE. This utopia that some folks believe will be occurring HASN'T OCCURRED YET. MONEY IS HOW OUR WORLD WORKS (as horrible as it is).

Don't dismiss him simply because he's written some books. For all you know, he could have told the publishing company which released it, that he would prefer to have the book sold at a cheap price, so the information would be easily accessible... But what about the money it takes to produce these books? Clearly some revenue HAS to be made, so the publishing house isn't stuck with the bill...
If you're honestly that perturbed that he would charge for the knowledge, pirate it online, but don't come on just to criticize him, and discredit him, based on the medium he chooses to bring this info to the world in.

I, for one, will just watch his lectures on youtube, and whatever free (ie: not pirated) information I can find.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by berrygurrl
The moon has a great effect on the planet, it effects the tides - it effects water. Our bodies are mostly composed of water and when there is a full moon it has a great effect on the emotions of people. This is also true because of the gravitational pull between the moon and the earth.

Do your research before you try and debunk something that you have no knowledge of.

I'll bite, since you've "done your research". Explain to me what difference the moon's phase has on human activity, and more importantly, WHY you think it has that effect.

You mention something about gravity... how does the moon's phase affect it's gravitational attraction?

When you can explain that correctly, THEN you have earned the right to tell someone else to "do their research", and disparage their knowledge of that subject.

Here are the links:
National Geographic


The moon's gravitational pull on the Earth is the main cause of the rise and fall of ocean tides. The moon's gravitational pull causes two bulges of water on the Earth's oceans—one where ocean waters face the moon and the pull is strongest and one where ocean waters face away from the moon and the pull is weakest. Both bulges cause high tides. These are high tides. As the Earth rotates, the bulges move around it, one always facing the moon, the other directly opposite. The combined forces of gravity, the Earth's rotation, and other factors usually cause two high tides and two low tides each d

The moon's gravitational pull on the Earth is the main cause of the rise and fall of ocean tides. The moon's gravitational pull causes two bulges of water on the Earth's oceans—one where ocean waters face the moon and the pull is strongest and one where ocean waters face away from the moon and the pull is weakest. Both bulges cause high tides. These are high tides. As the Earth rotates, the bulges move around it, one always facing the moon, the other directly opposite. The combined forces of gravity, the Earth's rotation, and other factors usually cause two high tides and two low tides each d

What causes the tides
Full moon and human behavior
How the moon rules your life



If you know anything about astrology, the moon in your astrological chart represents emotions too.

These articles should help you.... But, just like anything there will always be another researcher claiming its false. And that goes with everything!

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Unfortunately the articles cited on those pages are outdated and methodologically flawed. Some of them didn't even do their statistical analyses right. Since that time new studies have been done and they've all found that there is nothing to the Transylvania effect.

The Lunar Cycle and Psychopathology

reply to post by Reflections


never before have so many blatant lies been told about a specific date and time.

I believe we should be more concerned with november of 2012, for I shudder at the thought of Barry being elected to a second term.

Actually, maybe the mayan elders were right after all........

I have a question.

Once I am in the 4th dimension do I remember my current life, and the shift?
Is it possible to manifest a scenario where I am with loved ones, in the fourth dimension?

Mayan Elder???!!! The Mayans "disappered" completly several centuries ago. They left no direct or indirect lineage. This is guy is another fake...

This whole scenario of the chaos that should occur when the Earth passes thru to the 4th, is very reminiscent of one of my favorite books by Isaac Asimov, 'Nightfall'. Here is the Wiki link, it does a fairly good job of synopsis:

Wiki:Nightfall

The inhabitants of Kalgash knew no night, being part of a Senary system. Then, when the conditions were right night came, and it was bedlam. We, on the other hand, know night well...every night! It just happens as a result of the rotation of our planet. (There is even a quaint little reference in the story about a 'planet that has only one sun'...and how night would be a common occurrence).

Now, consider a planet that goes through a dimensional shift possibly not DAILY...but much more frequently than our Earth does. We'll say, every year. Maybe such a civilization would celebrate New Years' Dimensional Shift Day quite casually, much as we go about our New Years' Day ball drop 'ceremony'. No mass chaos, no destruction, nothing to be concerned about. We, however, might have as visceral a reaction to the shift as those poor souls on Kalgash did, once Dovim's eclipse was total, and the stars shone out of the night sky.

I sincerely hope not. I'll personally be expecting the unexpected, as we all should. A permanent, tangible lucid dream. It sounds like Heaven to me!


[edit on 8/30/2010 by The Cloud Taster]

Originally posted by felipecb
Mayan Elder???!!! The Mayans "disappered" completly several centuries ago. They left no direct or indirect lineage. This is guy is another fake...

I have no idea if Mr. Drunvalo Melchizedek is a legit "Mayan Elder", but I do know that the Maya are still alive and well. They did desert their monumental cities, but the Mayans are not gone. This is a popular bit of misinformation. For example, the Quiche/K'iche' Maya are doing just fine, and even today maintain the calendar traditions invented many years ago (tzolkin/long count).

So perhaps Drunvalo is a fraud, perhaps he is as real as it gets. I don't know. I'm not commenting on that. But the Maya and their culture did not disappear! They changed form as other civilizations gained geographical/political power, and, well, we all know what happened when the Europeans got to the Americas...

edit: Wikipedia link to Quiche Maya - en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 30-8-2010 by tetsuo]

reply to post by Reflections
interesting but is there not a magnetic pole reversal due around this time. The change of the poles happenes and the proof for this is found in the rocks that make up the mid ocean ridges and the geomagnetic allinment held fast in the newlly created oceanic plates that are moving apart in what is described as plate tectonics, allas this pole change will not occour on one day tho.

Originally posted by 4shore?
reply to post by Reflections

 

interesting but is there not a magnetic pole reversal due around this time. The change of the poles happenes and the proof for this is found in the rocks that make up the mid ocean ridges and the geomagnetic allinment held fast in the newlly created oceanic plates that are moving apart in what is described as plate tectonics, allas this pole change will not occour on one day tho.

Thought you mind find this interesting:

The article references national geographic. Haven't done the background checks myself so I have no idea how accurate the article is.

A new research has determined that Earth's north magnetic pole is racing toward Russia at almost 40 miles (64 kilometers) a year due to magnetic changes in the planet's core.

Full Article here: www.redicecreations.com...

reply to post by Reflections


so, i can presume my 3 story house which is made of stone wood and cement will exist also in the 4th dimension and will be there for me if i make the shift?

i would also presume that these "forces" will be no respecter of families and children may go or stay and each parent likewise. if children arrive without parents i guess this is all catered for in a foster sort of way.

I'm sorry, but this guy is making a lot of assertions without explaining what his assertions are based on. If they're based on crap that someone made up 5,000 years ago, then I'm probably going to toss it into the same file where I keep the assertions made by people who claim that Jesus appeared to them and told them that he chose them to write a book about whatever in order to save the human race from itself.

If the structure of this multi-dimensional wonderland can't be mated to the structure that we already know to exist - and have definitively established as being the structure that allows us to exist - then he's just typing SciFi and laughing at the people who believe it. And if it can, then he needs to detail where the physical, structural connection occurs, and how it occurs.

The point is that his scenario involves our entire physical structure being supplanted by (basically) an invading structure, and this can't happen unless these two competing structures share a common sub-structural foundation. That's just raw logic, and if this guy refuses to concede that one critical requirement, and satisfy it for the sake of serving the needs of his fellow human beings, then he either has no idea what he's talking about, or he's lying. As explained in that diatribe, there's no THERE there, and semantics won't save it from ruin. Does this guy have anything technical to point to as verification?

Well, as several other people have stated like myself on page one, and the person who has actually done research on the Mayan Culture stated that the calendar is simply a cycle and not pointing to any event this thread seems to be getting a little pointless given the facts.

However I'd like to thank Unity_99 who replied to me with the link to the PDF from bibliotecapleyades.net, if that is indeed a genuine article that is certainly some VERY disturbing news!! Screw the 2012 nonsense that sounds like a serious life changing event that if true is backed up by some of the top scientific minds in the country. I've only got through about 10 pages so far, and will have to carry on tomorrow, but 'disturbing' doesn't even cover it!

I think we need to make plans to keep ATS going when the power goes out. I think post-it notes may be the only option

Originally posted by Realtruth
Well then ATS's motto is to deny ignorance. Wouldn't you agree if someone or group had knowledge to enlightenment it should be freely distributed? It's not hard to do with the advent of the internet, in digital form.

With this attitude you have no chance. It's nothing personal, you just have to do the work, to yourself. The reason you are not enlightened already, is a personal problem that is unique to you. It's just as if you are sick, there is not 1 medicine that cures everyone.

No one is going to come along, whisper a magic phrase in your ear, and BAM! You're enlightened.

With your attitude, I have to think, you really don't believe there is anything to the concept of "enlightenment" to begin with. Or else you are too lazy to worry about it and assume if there was something to it then you'd hear about it on TV and someone would explain it to you.

It's alright. Don't get defensive, because what you do is your own business. I don't care what you think or do. Well, I care, but let me put it this way: I have problems to address too and worrying about you when I can barely even take care of myself, wouldn't help either of us. You're responsible for yourself no matter what does or doesn't happen though, and there are no two ways about that.

Then why does he charge?

Charge for what? I can get his books online for free. I suspect the companies that publish for him care more about this than he would ever care personally. Everything else you can do by yourself. It's simple work the way he lays it out, it is work.

If I personally found info that was a shortcut to enlightenment, I would post it for everyone to read and no charge.

There is no such thing. Words do not deliver enlightenment.

It's up to you.

If you feel like arguing with that, you're wasting time and energy in the wrong place.

[edit on 30-8-2010 by AquariusDescending]

Originally posted by NorEaster
If the structure of this multi-dimensional wonderland can't be mated to the structure that we already know to exist - and have definitively established as being the structure that allows us to exist - then he's just typing SciFi and laughing at the people who believe it. And if it can, then he needs to detail where the physical, structural connection occurs, and how it occurs.

Aren't you the bossy little king/queen? Come on now.

The problem with you is the same problem with the poster I responded to above. YOU WANT EVERYONE ELSE TO WORK IT OUT FOR YOU, and then just deliver you the results!! It doesn't work like that!!! We are not trying to give you the answers, we are trying to make you WAKE UP and figure it out for yourself while you still have time left.

The "multi-dimensional wonderland" CAN be "mated to the structure that we already know to exist" -- which isn't much of a structure. Not the one that actually exists -- I mean the one "we" currently know to exist. By "we" I assume you actually mean scientists. Not even they have a consensus as to what they are talking about, and are too busy calling each other quacks to even try to figure this information out.


Well don't worry, your government leaders and scientists and everyone else in society is doing plenty for you already. Yes, they are doing plenty. Plenty of "what" is another matter but you will see that soon enough. You just sit back and watch what happens. If nothing else this will be very educational for all of us.

The point is that his scenario involves our entire physical structure being supplanted by (basically) an invading structure, and this can't happen unless these two competing structures share a common sub-structural foundation.

This is in fact the case and this common sub-structure has existed as a less dense harmonic of your level of reality ever since you have been alive.

There have even been people on this planet that have understood this since the entire time you have been alive and have offered many lessons in regard to it. You just have to make some personal decisions. Who can you trust? What should you believe? What can you do? These are questions I can't answer for you because I did you would argue with them endlessly and it would all be a waste of time and energy. You have to come to them for yourself and be prepared for the consequences of your own thoughts and actions.

all u must know is that whatever we do whether big or small we recieve
1 CREDIT AND 1 DEBT
in the end i just hope all of your credits make a biger pile than your debts
isallah we posses the power to know better isallah

Originally posted by Funshinez
From your source:

We cannot live without some form of magnetic field. If you look at major cities all over the world, you will notice that the day before, after and during the full moon there is more rape and murder going on. The reason is that the full moon tends to cause a ripple in the magnetic field of the earth, and this change is enough to take people that are emotionally near the edge over the edge. The magnetic field affects the emotional body.

There's absolutely nothing different about the relationship between the moon and our planet because of how it looks. There's more rape and murder during the night because its dark and easier to get away with. If magnetic fields could effect someones "emotional body" people would go insane inside MRI machines. This source is bunk.

Actually your wrong.. police actually tend to increase patrols during full moon knowing crime,accidents increase during this period. And if you look at the stats they all point to increased crime during a full moon which by the way is less dark.. so the being darker here and getting away with it doesn't make sense... AND YES people do get affected by MRI machines more often then not, the effects aren't measurable like cancer from radiation.. but many people say that after an MRI they are never the same... Although I would prefer to take my chances with an MRI then a cat scanner for sure........

double post mods please remove

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reply to post by berrygurrl


I read the article, saw things about the moon's gravity affecting water on Earth in the macro scale, as in giant oceans, but nothing concerning the effect of the moon's gravity on water in the micro scale, as in the small amount present in human bodies.

Logic dictates that the gravity of the Earth, far closer to human bodies than the moon, would necessarily effect those bodies quite a lot more than lunar gravity, because of the micro scale nature of the water in a human body vs the entire Earth. Earth gravity has far more effect on us, and vastly overwhelms lunar gravitational influences.

Further, the tides are formed, as you say, by two bulges of ocean opposite one another, and in line with the moon. Have you questioned why there are TWO bulges, and one of those appears to be pulling AWAY from the moon to form itself? I'll leave you to research the answer to that, and puzzle it out for yourself. Those things we discover on our own stay with us far longer than what we read or are taught.

Now, having treated the gravity question somewhat, I'm still mystified as to why one would think the phases of the moon affect the lunar gravitational influence on the human body on Earth. Do you thing that lunar gravitational attraction is somehow affected by the moon's phase?