Mayan Elders view of 5-6 hrs before 2012 and just after

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The moon does affect people in some way when it is full. Police believe it as well because on full moon nights they double their patrols. This has been proven already. hell, even hospitals believe in the full moon effect.

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Um, yeah. Everything on Earth is from Earth.

This makes no sense at all. You're going to tell me plywood and steel are not natural? Complete crock in my opinion.

reply to post by ariel bender

The Mayans had great accomplishments, not because they were visited by Aliens but because they spent hundreds of years observing the Universe and understanding what they observed. They calculated Eclipses not only in their own region but for other regions of earth, understood precession, the galactic plane, and mysteries that we only solved recently. They did this because they were a curious and scientifically based culture.

Sorry if I'm taking your attitude the wrong way, but you seem to be full of sarcasm and ignorance yourself - while I'll admit I haven't done TONS of research on the Mayans, I have done a good amount of it.

What are you ideas on things like the Popol Vuh, Gukumatz (the Mayan Quezacoatal), or Xibalba (the Mayan Underworld or "Hell")?

Gukumatz (Alternatively Qucumatz, Q'uq'umatz, Gucumatz, Gugumatz, Kucumatz etc.) was a deity of the Postclassic K'iche Maya. Gukumatz was the feathered serpent god of the Popol Vuh who created humanity together with the god Tepeu. Gukumatz is considered to be the rough equivalent of the Aztec god Quetzalcoatl,[1] and also of Kukulkan of the Yucatec Maya tradition.[2] It is likely that the feathered serpent deity was borrowed from one of these two peoples and blended with other deities to provide the god Gukumatz that the K'iche' worshipped.[3] Gukumuatz maya have had his origin in the Valley of Mexico, some scholars have equated the deity with the Aztec deity Ehecatl-Quetzalcoatl, who was also a creator god.[4] Gukumatz may originally have been the same god as Tohil, the K'iche' sun god who also had attributes of the feathered serpent,[5] but they later diverged and each deity came to have a separate priesthood.[6]

Gukumatz was one of the gods who created world in the Popul Vuh, the K'iche' creation epic.

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Popol Vuh - Wikipedia

In Maya mythology Xibalba (pronounced /ʃɨˈbɒlbə/), roughly translated as "Place of fear",[1] is the name of the underworld, ruled by Maya Death Gods and their helpers. In Yucatec it was known as Metnal.[citation needed] In the 16th-century Verapaz, the entrance to Xibalba was traditionally held to be a cave in the vicinity of Cobán, Guatemala. According to some of the K'iche' Maya presently living in the vicinity, the area is still associated with death. Cave systems in nearby Belize have also been referred to as the entrance to Xibalba.[2]

Another physical incarnation of the road to Xibalba as viewed by the K'iche' is the dark rift which is visible in the Milky Way.

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Xibalba - Wikipedia

By the Maya mythological tradition, as documented in Colonial Yucatec accounts and reconstructed from Late Classic and Postclassic inscriptions, the deity Itzamna is frequently credited with bringing the knowledge of the calendar system to the ancestral Maya, along with writing in general and other foundational aspects of Maya culture

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In Yucatec Maya mythology, Itzamna was the name of an upper god and creator deity thought to be residing in the sky. Little is known about him, but scattered references are present in early-colonial Spanish reports (relaciones) and dictionaries. Twentieth-century Lacandon lore includes tales about a creator god (Nohochakyum or Hachakyum) who may be a late successor to Itzamna. In the pre-Spanish period, Itzamna, represented by the aged god D, was frequently depicted in books and in ceramic scenes derived from such books. The Aztec deity corresponding to Itzamna is Tonacatecuhtli.

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In Aztec mythology, Tonacatecuhtli ("lord of our sustenance") was a fertility god, who was worshipped for being the power (tecuhtli) that warmed the earth and made it fruitful.[1] He organized the world into land and ocean at the creation of the world. Ometecuhtli and Omecihuatl were the creators of the life, but he created them and the planet. He turned Chantico into a dog for violating a fast and eating paprika with roasted fish.[citation needed] His wife was Tonacacihuatl.

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I have watched many video interviews of him.
I have gleaned from those the fact that he has lived with many indigenous peoples worldwide over a long period of many years, and gained the trust of their elders.
He does not claim to be spokesperson for any particular one, but if asked to relay a message from any of them, he does so.

So he is an 'ambassador' for many of the indigenous peoples worldwide.
He found that each group around the world had the same folk memories and 'ancestor stories'. That fact alone is remarkable, and enough to suspect that they have an element of truth.

Only yesterday my interest in him was aroused by another thread here, and I succeeded in locating a free ebook of his (his 2nd book). I was unable to download and wanted to read all of it at my leisure, so I have ordered a copy £12 - I can't see him making a fortune at that price (and I chose to pay rather than read free)

When viewing his more recent video lectures yesterday I was a little surprised that his lecturing style has deteriorated from the earlier ones he did. He seems to be 'looking tired' and much older. I empathise with that. I too am battling age and ill health in order to hang on to life, so as to be here to witness 'the big show world change'.

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This sort of thing worries me, and its not healthy to believe that something is going to happen in 2012, when chances are, nothing will happen at all.

So many people, like me, see the world for what it is, and thats a really bad place. People want change, they want something like 2012 to happen. To the point where they believe it will, and this is the worrying thing.

When nothing does happen, we are going to have alot of people feeling very depressed, with a sense of hopelessness , and the people who preach this stuff, will just move on to the next date.

I would really love this to happen, but i ask people not to put all your faith in it, because chances are, nothing will happen. Life will go on!

I don't know what exactly is going to happen but I do know that SOMETHING is going to happen - while I'm not even 30 years old yet, I survived brain cancer when I was 17, and I was in a car accident in 2008 where my car was hit by a drunk driver and completely totaled on my way to work one day - amazingly I just got my knees banged up pretty good when they bounced off the front of the car, and even then all that happened was a lot of soreness for a few days and a bunch of black and blue marks - the woman that hit me had part of her face torn off when she bounced off the inside of her windshield (sorry for the details but trying to give you an idea of the accident)

Anyway, I "know" that I'm still here for a reason; I've always been fascinated with anything paranormal, and have been doing a decent amount of personal research on the Maya and the whole 2012 thing for at least the last 5 years now.

So, can people just stop with all the BS and continue discussing the topics for once? It gets so annoying...

reply to post by Jay-morris


I don't regard it as unhealthy to be aware.
I don't regard it as doom.
If and when those physical signs of the change manifest, it is good news.

Only those who fear change will be unable to cope.

Agreed, too many people are tied up on the idea of 2012 being the END - how this crap even got started who knows, blame Hollywood and all the other greedy bastards that want to try and make a quick buck.

As far as I'm concerned it has nothing to do with "the end of the world", it's more along the lines of REM's "the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine"

The idea of "the end of time" to me simply means that time will no longer be viewed the same way we've been looking at it for the last 2000+ years... it will probably be viewed more along the lines of "infinity" or.. the "end is the beginning is the end" / "the beginning of the end" / "the end of the beginning" - Ouroboros, etc - however you want to look at it... (in other words a Loop)

reply to post by sum1one




We need to separate belief from scientific achievements. Greece believed in Zeus, Athena, Hades, etc, etc,....but their Scientific and political accomplishments we do not credit to Athena or Hades, we credit their methodology and even pattern ourselves after their systems.

The same with Mayan culture, they had their belief systems just like Greece, but their accomplishments came form the same scientific principles that guided western sciences. Unfortunately for some reason with Mayan and Egyptian and other cultures we credit alien intervention for their incredible accomplishments, constructions, inventions and discoveries. It minimizes their culture, history and sacrifice.


Would highly recommend setting aside even a week of time and visiting on site and exploring their culture hands on, if possible. Spend time on digs, local museums, universities and lecture venues. It is well worth it and would be incredible experience.

Originally posted by margaretr
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I don't regard it as unhealthy to be aware.
I don't regard it as doom.
If and when those physical signs of the change manifest, it is good news.

Only those who fear change will be unable to cope.

Its so easy to say all this stuff before it has actually happened, and i can understand alot of people putting so much faith into it, considering the state of the world. All i am saying is don't put too much faith into 2012, because if nothing happens, and chances are, nothing will, then their will be alot of depressed people around the world.

If it happens, and the world changes for the better, then that will be great, amazing! but history tells you, that these predictions never come true. And when 2012 comes and goes, people will look to another take, and put all their faith in that date.

Basically, it turns into a vicious circle, as you are always looking to the next prediction.

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I understand what you're saying, and I'm not living in a fantasy world - even though I do feel that the world today is completely F'd up - one of the main reasons it IS so F'd up is because the majority of people don't know how to think for themselves - the funny thing to it all however, is that to truely think for yourself, you have to try to look at things from all points of view - no matter how likely or unlikely something seems to be, it's simply all a matter of perspective. Because of this, I wish more people would take the time to investigate things for themselves - if something sounds funny, don't just nod your head and walk away - stop and think... experiment... evaluate.. analayze.. form a hypothesis... isn't this the way we're supposed to learn new things anymore? maybe it's just me, but these days it seems more like if you stop and think about things too long, or you ask questions - you're annoying and it results in being punished. Why? I don't know.. maybe it's the economy, people are scared they'll lose their jobs? So instead of questioning things that don't exactly seem right, they instead are quick to obey every command.

I'll admit I do tend to have a problem with authority, but the fact is that if people weren't so quick to judge me all the time or bark commands at me, I wouldn't be so quick to judge them.

Something isn't right with the world when you feel like you have to "sell your soul" just to earn enough money to pay for gas, food, and a place to sleep at night.

As far as your comment goes about Zues and Hades, etc.. what are you opinions on Mythology in general? To me it seems very strange how stories such as these are shared across the entire planet, amongst people of all kinds of beliefs and cultures... I just feel there's something more to it all.

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Your absolutely correct, if people would take the time to question themselves and the things around them more and in diligent manner, we would not be in the mess we are.

This truly seems to be what the Mayans did, they questioned and reasoned what they viewed and tried to bring it all into perspective.

reply to post by Jay-morris


I appreciate your concern that I may become depressed if 2012 turns out to be 'non event'.

I am at the end stages of my life anyway, and the most important obstacle I have overcome is the fear of death, which is inevitable, but in some respects will be a change for the better. My research (Robert A Monroe and MatrixV), has convinced me that death is 'a beginning' of a more pleasant way of life.

IF vibrational Earth change happens, it is good to know the signs of it happening (which may or may not be the signs that the tribe elders predict).

It would be nice to be in 3D physical when it does, so in some ways it is providing me with a reason for living.

I am in this body for a life experience, and I regard this (2012)experience (if it happens) as the ultimate experience of any lifetime. If it doesn't happen, so be it. Maybe I will live it 'next time'

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While I'm still in this state of half-awake, half-asleep... I just had another thought enter my mind.. you were saying how you feel for whatever reason people are quick to credit the Egyptians feats - such as building the pyramids - to extra terrestrials. Personally while I agree that the people themselves seem to be very advanced, intelligent, cultural, etc I find it impossible to believe they had the ability to construct them without the aid of others... maybe they did, maybe they didn't - the argument has been going on for at least 20 years now.

But let me ask you something, if you stop to think about it, what were some of the biggest technological / scientific advancements over the last few thousand years?

The only 2 that come to my mind quickly are Waston & Crick discovering DNA and the discovery of Penicillin - I don't remember the details of DNA, or even the person's name that 1st discovered Penicillin - but I do remember whoever it was came upon it completely by accident - some might say that the "Gods" told him... if you can see what I'm getting at... the funny thing though is perhaps they really did.

Fleming noticed a petri dish containing Staphylococcus plate culture he had mistakenly left open, which was contaminated by blue-green mould, which had formed a visible growth. There was a halo of inhibited bacterial growth around the mould. Fleming concluded that the mould was releasing a substance that was repressing the growth and lysing the bacteria. He grew a pure culture and discovered that it was a Penicillium mould, now known to be Penicillium notatum. Charles Thom, an American specialist working at the U.S. Department of Agriculture, was the acknowledged expert, and Fleming referred the matter to him. Fleming coined the term "penicillin" to describe the filtrate of a broth culture of the Penicillium mould.

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Thanks for the reply. I really hope i am wrong, and something does happen in 2012. The world is in such a bad place at the moment, with so many hateful and violent people. Even on this site, you can feel that hate and anger.

I am not afraid of death, in fact, i am looking forward to it. Don't get me wrong. I have a ood life, but i have always been facinated by the other side, and what might be there.

I remember seeing a video of this drunvalo dude some time ago, where he adviced everyone to just stay inside when the shift happens, and bolt the doors and windows and ignore the chaos outside.

Now he says that one should be out in the nature, not inside an artificial house.

Kinda contradictory?

Anyhow, these sound like stories to me. After all, isn't everything on earth natural? How does a house built from stone and wood become less natural then a pyramid built from stone?

Great info. Interesting reading. Especially the part about how there will be a black void for three days. That follows Catholic prophecy of a 3 days of darkness. it's a bit different of course, but rather close.

Edited to add ... in Catholic prophecy they say just the opposite about being outside. They instead say to hunkerdown inside and not to look outside at all .. not to be tempted to open the door and look no matter what you hear. Let the 3 days come and go.

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Hey I found that video you were looking for. Thank me later lol

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dunno, but the whole idea of the planet entering another dimension, especially one of "time", would seem to go along the idea of being outside with nature - unless of course you're out in the jungle then a few moments later you find yourself stuck in the middle of a desert, or floating in the middle of the ocean. Either way you're still alive.

If it happens, and the world changes for the better, then that will be great, amazing! but history tells you, that these predictions never come true. And when 2012 comes and goes, people will look to another take, and put all their faith in that date.

Basically, it turns into a vicious circle, as you are always looking to the next prediction.

You are absolutely correct. We should keep an open mind about different possibilities, but should not start believing blindly in something that is just speculation.

I for one am curiously awaiting the 2012 date already alone for the reason that it has gained so much momentum in our culture.

I for one am going to look to mayan end date, and if (when) nothin happens, i am totally going to dismiss al kinds of predictions, since then it becomes utterly clear that we really have no clue.

Keep yourself sane and keep skeptical