2 UFO photos daytime

The sun has to be behind that cloud.
And what better position to move the Tesla ship.




And what do we see, black lights cousin purple lights in
dual vibrations just like the center of the oval rings.


Thanks EvilBat this was one heck of a sighting.


[edit on 8/27/2010 by TeslaandLyne]

I can't resist one brief return... Some examples of 'newton's rings' in bokeh:

www.fredmiranda.com...
Scroll down to the third image - look carefully at the out-of-focus blobs.

www.the-digital-picture.com...
Check the image about a third of the way down.

photos.imageevent.com...

I can provide lots more... In fact here's a video of mine:

Note what happens at 2:00 onwards - the rings and 'gunk' are lens artefacts, and the video proves it by moving the 'blob' around in the lens - the patterns change, as they are created by the internal lens elements. If it was the object, they would not change in synch with the camera movement. Not rocket science, just basic optics - people who know their equipment well don't make such simplistic errors.

Spiro - it's great to see a Scot here that DOES know cameras and photography...

interesting photos but look like mabey just glare and camera tricks

reply to post by CHRLZ


The only problem with your pictures are there all at NIGHTTIME and hes using a FLASH.
In my picture its DAYTIME and with no FLASH.
so your proved nothing really.
Did someone give you a star for effort.

haha




[edit on 24/09/2008 by ufosbri]

Originally posted by CHRLZ

First, may I point out that I'm not disputing that the images are or are not edited. I suspect not.

But unless you had access to the original media (did you?), I sincerely doubt that you can verify that they are unedited. If you do claim to have some methodology of accessing a file on non-original media and verifying it is unedited, please provide the details of what you did to confirm that.

Happy to be proven wrong...

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If they were edited it would look like this :

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Based on the analysis of compression characteristics and EXIF metadata:

ASSESSMENT: Class 1 - Image is processed/edited


It will detect some signatures from some editing software.
And I checked the images from the link that the op provided.

And It will be class 1. Sure It isn't 100 % certain. There is a probability of being edited because maybe the camera used lighting method like the nikon's D-lighting. And edited the pic from the camera itself. Or something similar.

Heres a direct link to originals cheers img691.imageshack.us...

Posted by Ufosbri on the first page.

[edit on 27/8/10 by defiler]

defiler, rather than post reams of data (some of which seems to contradict you), why didn't you just name the program/plugin/s you used, and explain your methodology? Have you verified their accuracy yourself in a testable and repeatable fashion using the many programs available that allow you to process images and manipulate EXIF??

I note you have now backed away from the 100% certainty issue, yet you said this 2 pages back:

I can confirm that the photos aren't post edited. There aren't any digital signatures of programs of that kind. So the object or the phenomena is real but questionable.

I don't see any disclaimer there...

Again, I am NOT suggesting the images are manipulated. But I think it unwise to claim that you can eliminate any manipulation using software (especially unnamed software)...

Ok I made a mistake, there is no point denying that. I should have said, there is very high probability that the images aren't edited.

It says : ASSESSMENT: Class 2 - Image has high probability of being processed/edited Because nothing is absolute.

BTW the EXIF isn't important here, it just shows shooting information and sometimes it isn't correct.
When the picture is saved on the camera it is saved with some compression method. And if the compression method does not match with the one from the database for the specific camera it is edited.
If you have a database that has all of the camera signatures and all of the photo editing software signatures then there wouldn't be a any probability.

Every one has an opinion, but you should also consider other things.
And yes if you want to believe that this is edited it is your choice. You cant prove 100 % that it is fake either.

I love the ufo subject because there are a lot of uncertainties.

[edit on 28/8/10 by defiler]

Originally posted by Spiro
My dear friend,

So, would you mind doing me, and everyone else, a HUGE BIG FAVOUR? Ya would? Aww thanks! Would you mind proving to us why you think this is some kind of UFO? Many thanks my friend.

Remember, we are all waiting. A few members have asked the very same question.

Be safe and be well

I have skipped a few pages . I will read them to see what is it all about.

reply to post by defiler


The photos the real deal You take a photo it saves it to the camera you get the computer out you up load from camera Then I upload to ats thats about it theres No manipulation at all Its a plain photo with nothing dun to it
I gess yous just have to deal with it.
Thanks anyway.

ITS REAL ITS A UFO AND yous cant prove otherwize move on your just wasting your time.

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by ufosbri
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

 

I have a Picture What do you have to prove your claim show me.

Ufosbri.....

I have a picture.

What do you have to prove your claim?

Show me.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d26d984bb8af.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fa6b5bb97195.jpg[/atsimg]

Regards
Maybe...maybe not


[edit on 27-8-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

That does look like sun light shining through a ring in the clouds.
A cloud ring was evident in EvilBat's

here


lens flare discovery by the light pole but look up to the circle
in the clouds caused buy sound waves in the ether.


Lets not ignore the further EVIDENCE.

We'll call this UFO Ringo.
ED: The rings are oval shaped being deflected by two dark
objects in the center.
The sound waves but ether bound that exhibit the physical
property of making rings.
The famous sound/pressure waves in the ether, or medium
as Tesla would kindly say to experimenters, as mentioned
by Tesla are emanating from an aircraft of his design.


[edit on 8/28/2010 by TeslaandLyne]

Never mind.

[edit on 28/8/10 by defiler]

So lets recap

1 The photos been analyzed All data scrutinized to the tiniest detail.

2 All information given up by me without any argument.

3 what is it to me its a unidentified flying object.

4 Other ATS members think mabe Sun Glare but with NO Evidence to back there claim no pictures or video that looks anything like it.

5 What does it look like Its a circle inside a circle Donut shape bright luminus color with a hint of blue around the edge.

6 ATS members have tryed to undermine who I am.wind me up discredit manipulate me. thats just how it goes on here.

7 If anyone wants to send this photo to any expert, news paper go right ahead noprobs.
Have a good Day

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by ufosbri
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

 

I have a Picture What do you have to prove your claim show me.

Ufosbri.....

I have a picture.

What do you have to prove your claim?

Show me.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d26d984bb8af.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fa6b5bb97195.jpg[/atsimg]

Regards
Maybe...maybe not


[edit on 27-8-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

That does look like sun light shining through a ring in the clouds.
A cloud ring was evident in EvilBat's

here


lens flare discovery by the light pole but look up to the circle
in the clouds caused buy sound waves in the ether.


Lets not ignore the further EVIDENCE.

We'll call this UFO Ringo.
ED: The rings are oval shaped being deflected by two dark
objects in the center.
The sound waves but ether bound that exhibit the physical
property of making rings.
The famous sound/pressure waves in the ether, or medium
as Tesla would kindly say to experimenters, as mentioned
by Tesla are emanating from an aircraft of his design.


[edit on 8/28/2010 by TeslaandLyne]

Does anyone else think this looks like the Norway Spiral?

reply to post by YarlanZey


No, it looks like lens flare.

If it was an "object" it would be dark (i.e. in shadow) as the sun is almost directly behind "it" and "it" is supposed to be between the sun and the camera.

If it was a spiral (I'm no expert as to their causes, nature etc and I was going to write something technical here but got bored,) the main thing is that they tend to beF*** ME BIG and far away. This "thing" is below the cloud level. BTW, the pic you are referencing is an enhancement of the original on P1.

How about we call it an Unidentified Flying Lens Flare and keep everyone happy.

Personally, one day I hope to film a "something" and I hope I get slagged off/flamed/dissed for it until all avenues of explanation are exhausted and the consensous goes "this bloke might actually have something here" otherwise what's the point of this site.

reply to post by airspoon


If you are correct, that is an amazingly perfect circle and one big bird.

Those are quite good pictures, i bet alot of people will say the 2nd one is just a glare, but the reality is that you were there and you saw the "object", overall i think they are very good photos, and in the day, you can't beat that. Very impressive, and i really hope they keep coming

Originally posted by YarlanZey


Does anyone else think this looks like the Norway Spiral?

Sure does.
And ufosbri has it.
Is the light coming from the Sun or is the air iridescent.
Still the formation of the rings calls for a vibration of some sort.
Vibrations will cause air to become iridescent.
Heck the vibrations on the Sun cause its light.
I'd say some Sun light and some caused by the ship vibrations.
ED: Any one follow the lens on the Cloud above the lens flare
around the light pole. That flare goes away but the cloud has
the circle in all the remaining photos.
Lets hear it for the Ringo UFOs.
The tilted T flash in the sky is definitely two ships.
So 4 UFOs altogether.




[edit on 8/29/2010 by TeslaandLyne]