Violent Anti-Mosque crowd turns on Black Carpenter

reply to post by Hefficide



he wasn't accosted by a mob.

where does it say in the constitution you have a right to build anything anywhere?


no one disputes they can build or worship.

if they go against the bridge building, lol, and try to put it up.

there will be trouble.

Originally posted by pajoly

Which do I find scarier? Not even close -- Dachau. Our threat is ignorance and it is internal, people like you think. I am not afraid of Islam coming and imposing Sharia on me or my children.

Well that's great for you.

How about you let the majority of people who are worried about Sharia law being imposed on their children just get on with it?

[edit on 23-8-2010 by ollncasino]

Originally posted by bismos
someone really needs to do something about dumb americans. i hope the protesters get suicide bombed. now that we are pulling out some of our troops maybe we can get some muslims to start suicide bombing america instead of their own country.

Are you serious? You hope a suicide bomber kills the protesters?
This has got to be the most vile post I have ever seen here on ATS.

Just when I think I've seen it all and think that people can't possible be any more disgusting , someone like you comes along and makes me realize how wrong I am.

All I can say is that I hope you take the time to actually look at the horrible aftermath of a suicide bomber and see the terrible consequences of their actions. Their destruction is indiscriminate, maiming and killing adults and children alike

Google some pictures, meditate of the them and hopefully your lust for death and destruction will diminish.

I sincerely hope you were just carried away in the heat of the moment and didn't really wish such harm to innocent people.

It's obvious to me that the government wants this kind of religious and racial tension.

The worse it becomes, the more power they can wield over us all.

Originally posted by fooks
it seemed like he tried to make an entrance, some saber rattling and i don't know what the skinny dude with him was gonna do if anything really happened.
the hat didn't help, i'm sure.

He was most likely wearing a Kufi cap:

In West Africa, a kufi cap is the traditional hat for men, and is part of the national costume of most of the countries in the region. It is worn by Christians, Muslims, and African Jews. Many grandfathers and other older men wear a kufi everyday to symbolize their status as wise elders, religious people, or family patriarchs. [1]

Source

[edit on 23-8-2010 by Torgo]

Originally posted by ollncasino

Considering that 70% of Americans oppose the building of the mosque, perhaps it would be wise to tone down the hateful rhetoric coming from many people who support the mosque?


Well a nearly equal percentage support thier constitutional right to build the mosque.

do you believe the developers of the Cordoba House have a Constitutional right to proceed with the construction of the mosque and Muslim cultural center or not?" Here the answer is 64% yes

tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...

So based on (1) your false binary choice of either support/not support...and (2) the mistaken idea that majority opinion trumps minority rights in a democracy....then you have no basis of opposition, since most americans support thier right to build there.

See the problem with BS rhetoric?

reply to post by ollncasino


I do hope your post is sarcasm, because you people were not scared until Beck, Hannity and all of Murdoch's fat little men told you to sh*t in your pants. But by God when they did tell you, y'all crapped on cue like good patriotic Americans following the orders of the old, white, fat Australian.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

civil stife in Indonessia have nothing to do with what goes on in America.

uhhh that wasn't the point. the point was that these girls where persecuted because they were Christian, nothing else.

Take a look at the other link I provided where it list the top 50 countries, 95% of which are muslim countries, where Christians are being persecuted for being Christians.

again, this is the truth, its not a provocation. if you see it that way then so be it. as i said, the truth isn't always pretty.

the fact is Christians are persecuted for being Christian. I don't think Muslims have to deal with this problem in Christian countries anywhere near the magnitude that Christians do.

how does this relate? it relates because the Muslims want to build a Mosque at the site of another so called Muslim victory in a predominately Christian country. they want to dedicate it on 9/11/2011.

no one would have a problem if they just built the mosque at another site. but they refuse.

so tell me, who is being the provocateurs here?

please take off your liberal tinted glasses and consider ALL THE FACTS, not just the ones you cherry pick that fit into your own ideology, where everyone is nice to each other, sits around and sings kumbaya around the global camp fire! this is the world view you get with leaders like the bowing Obama and Nancy Pelosi in charge.


[edit on 23-8-2010 by insideNSA]

People need to remember something. These people are Muslims who are Americans, they've lived here, and they lost family and friends in 9/11, they suffered with the community in the aftermath, and they dealt with the prejudice and profiling. Despite that, they're still looking to take part in the community. I'd say that makes them much better Americans than the uber-conservative who've got their panties in a bunch, yet weren't personally effected by 9/11 in any way.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Saw this picture the other day, made me laugh a bit

second line

reply to post by insideNSA

uhhh that wasn't the point. the point was that these girls where persecuted because they were Christian, nothing else.

Actually had you read the FIVE YEAR OLD ARTICLE that you posted as a thread, you would know that NO the article clearly states it is SUSPECTED that they might have been killed because they were Christian.

So once again, in that rush to draw a conclusion, that conclusion that might serve the purpose of formenting anger and fear and being provocative you neglected to actually get the facts.

Futher, once again you are basically wishing for Americans to do the same thing, persecute another religion, everyone in that religion.

So besides illustrating how far too many ATS members have something frightening in common with religious zealots of all stripes, and that some members can't even understand what they are conveying in their own posts, you have failed to draw a direct factual reason through such examples as to why the 1st Amendment of the Constitution is something you are advocating abandoning.

Even though I don't agree with your views, if your views pertained to a religion, and that religion wanted to build a facility on private property zoned for such a building, you have that constitutional right.

I have the right to not be a member of that religion.

I have the right to not like that religion.

I don't have the right to alter the Constitution simply because of that.

While many display they don't understand their own arguments, often because they are arguments they have picked up from others, other instigators, other websites, other editiorials, that simply represent their own mood, what you don't understand is when you strike down an American's fundamental rights through the constitution, it opens a Pandora's Box that eventually will have a detrimental effect to the things you rely on being protected by the consitution.

I get that many people are angry, but the words angry and smart have two different meanings and definitions.

The words angry and right have two different definitions.

The closest word I can think of to angry is stupid.

All I am hearing is a lot of blanket unrelated stupid arguments as to why people should be angry and abandon the constitution for the sake of a bunch of angry people.

Who at best can defend this stupidity by citing examples in third world nations that do not have our constitution, and equality and protection of religious freedom.

So maybe if you lived in Indonesia you would have something to worry about.

Turning this nation into a political system similiar to Indonesia's a State Run Theocracy and Dictatorship because people are angry and scared, after inciting those fears and that anger themselves, really is stupid.

Some might not be big enough to admit it or accept it because they are so agenda driven.

But it is stupid nonetheless.

Uphold the Constitution and the very thing you are worried about, which is the very thing you want to do to another religion, can in fact never happen to you.

Don't uphold the Constitution, deny people religious freedom and rest assured it will eventually come back to haunt everyone and not just Muslims.



[edit on 23/8/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

See the cop come up and tell the guy to move along. But directly behind him was a woman carrying a Mosque supports Hamas. Didn't tell her to move along.

Instead of complaining about Muslims maybe complain to the person selling the land. Why is no one going after the people who are selling the land?

Let me answer my own quetion. Because Palin, Hannity and Beck don't want you to. They want you saying it's the Muslims fault.

So again, why not go after the people selling, leasing or renting the land to build the mosque on?



[edit on 23-8-2010 by Come Clean]

"The Mosque" is nothing more than a msm distraction from the true events of the day.

Makes one wonder what distraction will appear when 'this' occurs!

9/11 Truth Conference.....

I'm sure 'the tyrants that be' will have something planned for this.
Anyone venture to guess what that will be?
I have my own ideas though will wait for a more appropriate 'time' to comment.

Originally posted by shamus78
Sadly, this doesn't surprise me anymore. The act is despicable and unconscionable, but it's another example of herd mentality that our race is so good at exhibiting these days.

Perhaps the people involved should remember another black carpenter from many years ago. His name was Jesus. (disclaimer - I am not religiously minded in any way. The title just made me think of him)

Cheers
Shane

[edit on 23/8/10 by shamus78]

Black Jesus? Where exactly does it say Jesus was black?
Don't be so flippant dude.

Originally posted by soleprobe
This whole incident could easily have been staged including this thread to make large groups of people look anti-Muslim.

If what you say is true, is it the black man at a KKK rally that makes the rally racist? I mean, if there is no black man at the KKK rally, all you really have is a bunch of wholesome anonymous country folk wearing curtains, right?

Excellent. So what those Muslims say about sexy dressed women is true, it's the women that make men rapists.

You're insight into humanity is luminous.

The "I hate America" crowd is out in full force as always. First off, the video looks like a bunch of pissed off people. They must seriously believe in their cause, or so it seems. Why are they so opposed to it? Is it fox news ginning up anti mosque support with a bunch of lies and hatred? As always, the facts begin to come out:Ground Zero Imam Says US worst than Al-Qaeda

Mosque Planner Says Opposition Goes 'Beyond Islamophobia'
Mosque Planner Says Opposition Goes 'Beyond Islamophobia'

No sh!t these people are mad. 9/11 is fresh in everyone's memories. Fifty years from now, probably no big deal, but right now this is BS. If your heads weren't so clouded with anti american thoughts you could see the truth clearly. I'm not making many friends by saying this, but the only people who disagree with me are one of the following: A. Idiots B. Europeans C. Lefty Canadians D. Terrorist E. Anti-America Americans

If anyone replys to my post, I would like to know what you think about the Imam saying the US IS WORST THAN AL QAEDA, and then wanting to build a mosque down the road from ground zero.

Originally posted by maybereal11
You are stuck in a "division" "binary" "either/or" mindset. It's a false choice that is being put to you by the media for the sake of a culture war.

I choose none of the above.

This is exciting, neither building nor not building the mosque, but a third way.

Originally posted by maybereal11
But I will support thier right to...because their rights are my rights

Oh. That was disappointing. You do support building the mosque. So much for rejecting binary thinking.

Originally posted by maybereal11
BTW - If you are going to drop a stat...give a link...otherwise it is just noise.

You must of missed the fact that the poll was all over the news. Common knowledge in fact.

Here it is the poll details and the link again, or you can check out page 6 of this thread.

Favor 29% +/- 3%
Oppose 68% +/- 3%
No opinion 3% +/- 3%

i2.cdn.turner.com...

Originally posted by maybereal11
So based on (1) your false binary choice of either support/not support...and (2) the mistaken idea that majority opinion trumps minority rights in a democracy....then you have no basis of opposition, since most americans support thier right to build there.

See the problem with BS rhetoric?

Before you accuse people of BS rhetoric perhaps you should read the report you cite more carefully?

The Sienna poll you linked shows 63 percent of voters opposing the building of the mosque and only 27 percent supporting it while simultaneously 64 percent think the developers have a Constitutional right to build the mosque compared to only 28 percent who say they do not.

Go figure.

The conclusion seems pretty clear. While 63% of voters oppose the building of the Mosque in the poll, simultaneously, 64% interpret the constitution as it stands, as giving the Muslims the right to build the mosque.

It doesn't mean they support it. Quite the opposite in fact. In light of the CNN poll I have linked above, where we know that 65 to 71% of Americans oppose the building of the mosque, your conclusions are fatally flawed.

The more reasonable conclusion would be that many people no longer agree with the right they perceive to have been given in the constitution to Muslims to build the mosque.

Perhaps the constitution needs ammended. The Sienna poll would suggest that it does.

www.siena.edu...

Originally posted by fooks
reply to post by Hefficide

 

where does it say in the constitution you have a right to build anything anywhere?

Give me a break! You honestly think that is a valid argument? You forgot to add, "/sarcasm" at the end of your post, right?

reply to post by brisk002


So is your position that we should suspend the concept of freedom for fifty years because of public opinion? That religious discrimination is Ok just as long as it's against Muslims and just until we get over 9/11 as a nation?

As for what the Imam said, I could really care less what he says. What I do passionately care about is that he has every right to say it.