Violent Anti-Mosque crowd turns on Black Carpenter

Originally posted by hillbilly4rent
Question if the guy is not Muslim then why did he show up in a muslim style hat

Its a fair question.

A reasonable conclusion could be that he was either naive or he was trying to provoke a reaction.

He didn't look naive to me.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by maybereal11
Extremists do not distinguish between an American soldier and an American...child, mother, civilian, whatever.

How is you treating all Muslims like the "enemy" any different?

I meet Muslims every day. I most certainly don't treat all Muslims as the enemy.

Do you explain to those "Muslims you meet every day" that you are in favor of amending the constitution to repeal "Freedom of Religion" as it specifically pertains to thier faith?

Originally posted by ollncasino

...many people no longer agree with the right they perceive to have been given in the constitution to Muslims to build the mosque.

Perhaps the constitution needs ammended.

[edit on 23-8-2010 by maybereal11]

Originally posted by insideNSA

and why must they open this on 9/11/11?

Where are you guys getting this idea from?

reply to post by nunya13


Numerous conservative blog sites. They're proposing the building will open on the 9/11 anniversary.

reply to post by ollncasino


Who cares if he was trying to provoke a reaction. It still happened didn't it? All it proves is that a Muslim looking person gets a near violent reaction from some people. Whether or not that Muslim was there on purpose or not doesn't make the reaction any more acceptable.

You logic astounds me. Like your calling a person calling out bigotry a bigot. Recognizing a bigot does not make one a bigot.


edit: typo and tone down some words

[edit on 23-8-2010 by nunya13]

Originally posted by hillbilly4rent Question if the guy is not Muslim then why did he show up in a muslim style hat

If you look closely you should notice that his hat has a big "Under Armour" logo right on the front. it is called the Under Armour Mesh Skull Cap.

Its a hat sold for $14.99 in millions and millions of stores world-wide and has absolutely no association with Islam. It is closer related to American Football actually.

reply to post by Romantic_Rebel


Okay, but where are the numerous conservative blog sites getting their information from?

Originally posted by 5 oClock
reply to post by pajoly

 

Go "MOD EDIT" yourself sheep.
This guy was a freakin plant walkin around with his chest out looking for trouble. I refuse to believe what this kid says in his 1st Tube post as gospel.

I know what I saw. This is exactly what tptb want out of this.

Do you remember how you felt this day?? I will never forget.
I have been to Ground Zero, Shanksville and the Pentagon.

[edit on 23-8-2010 by 5 oClock]

what sequence in the video shows him acting in the manner you described?

i gota see this.

Originally posted by Hefficide
I honestly don't know if you're aware of the paradoxical nature of your positions, but pointing out bigotry is not being a bigot.

Pointing out bigotry that doesn't exist is bigotry.

Originally posted by Hefficide
Arguing for the freedom other others is not fascism.

Agreed.

Originally posted by Hefficide
If 100% of the population were to feel that any person should be deprived of their rights, for any reason, it would NOT make it right.

I was right with you there until you said that. You are outlining an inherently illogical stance.

Rights need to be balanced. Also, people have rights taken away by the state every day. Drink driving - lose your license.

No one has an absolute right to a right. What a simplistic argument. I really have lost a lot of respect for your position now.

how about I"m getting it from multiple news sources

The opening date shall live in infamy: Sept. 11, 2011. The 10th anniversary of the day a hole was punched in the city's heart.

Read more: www.nypost.com...

Mosque madness at Ground Zero

Originally posted by nunya13

Originally posted by insideNSA

and why must they open this on 9/11/11?

Where are you guys getting this idea from?

[edit on 23-8-2010 by insideNSA]

anyone with a working brain at this juncture in history knows that the 911 mass murder event was done by israel and the american govt to demonize arabs and turn america into a fascist sh,it hole


frickin idiots

[edit on 23-8-2010 by donotinducevomiting]

Originally posted by DirtyPete
That is a pretty Muslim looking hat.

Ya no kidding. I wasn't aware Under Armor had gotten into making religious attire, you learn something new every thread

Originally posted by Torgo

Originally posted by fooks
it seemed like he tried to make an entrance, some saber rattling and i don't know what the skinny dude with him was gonna do if anything really happened.
the hat didn't help, i'm sure.

He was most likely wearing a Kufi cap:

In West Africa, a kufi cap is the traditional hat for men, and is part of the national costume of most of the countries in the region. It is worn by Christians, Muslims, and African Jews. Many grandfathers and other older men wear a kufi everyday to symbolize their status as wise elders, religious people, or family patriarchs. [1]

Source

[edit on 23-8-2010 by Torgo]

\you couldnt have watched the video.

it was an underarmor skullkap.

reply to post by ollncasino


I don't recall drinking and driving having ever been a Constitutionally protected right.

Religion on the other hand...

Laws are not rights.

And unless there is another Constitutional Congress, or an amendment to the Constitution outlawing aspects of how religion operates, I will continue to stick to my guns with regard to this issue.

And as for the lack of bigotry in this issue....

Originally posted by Digital_Reality
Mob mentality. The only thing that is missing is the pitchforks and the ropes. People are so worked up right now that they will jump at anything.

Our leaders have done this to us. They are turning us against each other and its sickening. Americans are like a pit bull in a cage right now. They keep poking us and poking us and now we are ready to attack anyone. I hate to see this. We should be sticking together and keeping our wits about us during these times.

Excuse me, but can we please stop blaming the government or our "leaders" for this? That kind of mentality, that we have no thought of our own like we are cattle is what's really sickening. We have no one to blame but ourselves for this situation. They saw him as a scapegoat, no different than how some people try to scapegoat the government for everything.

Originally posted by maybereal11
Do you explain to those "Muslims you meet every day" that you are in favor of amending the constitution to repeal "Freedom of Religion" as it specifically pertains to thier faith?

You assume too much. Reread my posts carefully. I merely pointed out how unconstitutional denying the will of the American people was.

At no point have I said or even insinuated that the constitution should repeal "Freedom of Religion" as it specifically pertains to Muslims.

You guys just can't stop seeing things in black and white, can you?

I will tell you one thing though. I don't agree with Muslims building a mosque beside ground zero.

I also think that Muslim immigration into Western countries should be curtailed.

There you go. There is something else for you to get your knickers in a twist about.

reply to post by I AM LEGION


The whole video is filled with retards who have nothing better to do.. Falling for political trolling, something which we are deeply against here in ATS.

Some even looked like they got paid to stand next to the camera with their signs

No disrespect to the real Americans

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Hefficide
If 100% of the population were to feel that any person should be deprived of their rights, for any reason, it would NOT make it right.

I was right with you there until you said that. You are outlining an inherently illogical stance.

Rights need to be balanced. Also, people have rights taken away by the state every day. Drink driving - lose your license.

No one has an absolute right to a right. What a simplistic argument. I really have lost a lot of respect for your position now.

Uhh OK. You seem to not understand RIGHTS.

People can be deprived of thier rights if they commit a crime...Convicted Pedophiles can't use the internet, Drunk Drivers get thier lisence revoked...murderers get put in prison...You do get it don't you?

RIGHTS have to do with EQUALITY.

And in the United States of America...belonging to a specific faith is not a CRIME. We don't lock up people dependant on faith...nor do we deprive them of specific rights...The Constitution of The United States guarantees this. And our founding father gave there lives for this right.

If you would like an alternative system, move to Saudi Arabia or Iran.

ALSO - The VERY PREMISE of DEMOCRACY is that Majority Rule shall never impede on MINORITY RIGHTS...lest there be TYRANNY.

By always protecting the minority from the majority...we protect everyone of us, because each and every one of us as individuals will , with regards to faith or opinion, ethnicity or political view, be a minority at some point.

It scares me that there are living, breathing American citizens that have no clue what the constitution means or what premise our country is built upon.

Originally posted by Hefficide
I don't recall drinking and driving having ever been a Constitutionally protected right.

Religion on the other hand...

Laws are not rights.

Mmmm. You never did pass Constitutional Law did you? On the other hand, I did. Literally.

Originally posted by Hefficide
And unless there is another Constitutional Congress, or an amendment to the Constitution outlawing aspects of how religion operates, I will continue to stick to my guns with regard to this issue.

I can respect your opinion.

Originally posted by Hefficide
And as for the lack of bigotry in this issue....

Don't be so hard on yourself.