ADHD doesnt exist

reply to post by NightGypsy


I just wanted to thank you for your response to this thread. I came very close to posting earlier - but I realize this would be a poor choice given how deeply it has hurt and offended me on a personal level. I will continue to keep quiet on this one lest I get a little too upset - but I appreciate you calling it like it is.

To anyone defending the OP on the basis of "it's their opinion", last I checked it was bad form to go about stating one's opinion as fact.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by marsvoltafan74
I've been diagnosed with ADHD and believe me it's real. I for the life of me can't sit still and do nothing.

Thats called Meditation. 99% of the people dont Meditate. You could practice it though.

Yes, there's actually a big difference between doing nothing and being still, major difference .

Originally posted by Komodo
reply to post by Thermo Klein

 

sorry dude .. not EVERY single post needs to be researched.. ya know.. she's STATING her opinion... she never said she researched it..

........sheeesh !!!

alright - let's stick to opinions then...

A moderator on a major website should know what an apostrophe is.

A moderator on a major website should keep people in mind before ...

I've had enough of this thread; not gonna waste any more time.

My son was had an SEN statement imposed on him when he was 3 years old, after many meetings trying to reason with the education authority it still went through. This was just before he went to primary school meaning he had an SEN statement while he was in Nursery (Pre K). In his reception year (4-5) it was decided he would be screened for ADHD, by this time I had already just about given up trying to tell the school/education authority/pediatricians otherwise. They continued to describe a total different child I were dealing with on a daily basis and what I thought were my sons little quirks, was something to worry about to them apparently.

It's a farce, my child does not have any such disorder nor does he need to be branded as a 'special needs child'. The school has wanted me to put him on Ritalin from the get go, even going as far as to tell me children of ADHD go onto find their own substances when they grow up to slow down their brainwaves. I've always refused, this is something I do actually have control over. Now my son is 8, he still holds that SEN statement and is still classed as a child that has 'ADHD' and yet he is very bright, cleaver, has a great passion for music which I nurture at home. He isn't falling behind in school, he's actually doing quite well.

I've actually came to the conclusion that it's all about funding and lack of teaching skills, UK schools and even some parents are quick to brand children this way as they are able to claim more funding to take care of said child. Also teachers are not what they used to be.

Im not saying ADHD does not exist, but Im yet to meet a child with it..

Totally agree...to a point. Which is that some kids are simply more than just zealous and excited, but there could be so many reasons for their bad behaviour.
This thread makes me think of two perfect examples i.e. an amazing episode of South Park, Season four, Timmy 2000, where Timmy is diagnosed with adhd and then one thing leads to another and the whole town is on ritalin which leads them directly to a Phil Collins concert. Luckily Chef saves the day with the antidote Ritlout and a healthy dose of basic discipline. As always they're right on the money.
It also makes me think of a documentary I watched concerning lobotomies. Very scary. You could have your wayward child lobotomised in your kitchen, home visits of the horror kind, ewww. Parents didn't even have to have a serious reason. Brutal stuff that messed up the victims for the rest of their lives. This was happening from 1935 right up till the sixties(in some countries people were still having this invasive treatment up until the 80's) after which antipsychotic drugs replaced this torture. I know so many beautiful children who live in the same world as these kids with adhd. The only differance I can see is that their parents give them a good diet (NO cola or loads of sugar and other crappy additives) , fair discipline, pay them attention and talk to them with respect because they know their children are smart and above all these kids I know watch little or no t.v. When they do it's more like a treat than an electronic babysitter. Ritalin was once described to me by a med student as simply being like slow acting coc aine. Would you give your kid this crap?

OP, you sound like a typical snob who has the "well my kid is good so that means it must be the parents fault" syndrome.
Just because I haven't seen Mars doesn't mean that doesn't exist.
The 'violent video games' is a cop out argument as most of the kids who are diagnosed as having ADHD are very young.

I am a strict disciplinary parent who has a child who is nearly 6 and cannot sit still or keep their attention on one thing for more than 2 minutes, seriously even as I write this her mouth is on automatic no matter what.
Until you have a child that just doesn't get it then you aren't qualified to comment to be honest.
No she isn't diagnosed as having ADHD, I don't need a label on what I just call a child with a lot of energy, I just try to give her plenty of activities to do which helps run her energy down.
Oh and I have a younger daughter who is the opposite, she likes to relax and just play so the parents fault theory doesn't really work their does it because they are treat exactly the same.

You would have had a better argument stating that in your opinion you feel ADHD is misdiagnosed to a lot of children/teenagers who are just bored, seeking attention (which can be an unconscious act) and parents making excuses for their bratty kids when their parenting skills are out the window.
THEN you would have had my agreement because I know of many cases like this when the kids are left to do what they want and allowed to back chat and talk with a filthy mouth.

Originally posted by Suiness
My son was had an SEN statement imposed on him when he was 3 years old, after many meetings trying to reason with the education authority it still went through. This was just before he went to primary school meaning he had an SEN statement while he was in Nursery (Pre K). In his reception year (4-5) it was decided he would be screened for ADHD, by this time I had already just about given up trying to tell the school/education authority/pediatricians otherwise. They continued to describe a total different child I were dealing with on a daily basis and what I thought were my sons little quirks, was something to worry about to them apparently.

It's a farce, my child does not have any such disorder nor does he need to be branded as a 'special needs child'. The school has wanted me to put him on Ritalin from the get go, even going as far as to tell me children of ADHD go onto find their own substances when they grow up to slow down their brainwaves. I've always refused, this is something I do actually have control over. Now my son is 8, he still holds that SEN statement and is still classed as a child that has 'ADHD' and yet he is very bright, cleaver, has a great passion for music which I nurture at home. He isn't falling behind in school, he's actually doing quite well.

I've actually came to the conclusion that it's all about funding and lack of teaching skills, UK schools and even some parents are quick to brand children this way as they are able to claim more funding to take care of said child. Also teachers are not what they used to be.

Im not saying ADHD does not exist, but Im yet to meet a child with it..

Right on!!!

Congrats on your concern regarding your son. Ah, that more would question and oppose TPTB in so-called education today. Lazy teachers want "compliance" to make their job easier. BigGov wants "compliance" to make willing surfs in their slave oriented NWO. Solution? Drug 'em up. All these Pro drug parents will live to see the day they regret their decision to distroy the zeal of youth and wonderment in their children.

[edit on 22-8-2010 by romanmel]

Originally posted by Ashyr
i generally stay away from the speed based drugs because i noticed

it just calmed me or made me dosile or numb/dull.

Speed has the EXACT same effect on my husband. He took it once, and almost fell asleep. He's never been diagnosed either but displays some of the "symptoms".

I don't even know what to think of O.D.D. Oppositional Defiant Disorder.
It's a newer diagnosis than ADHD.

When my step daughter was 4 years old, her mother began taking off for long periods of time, leaving her in our care. When she turned 7 years old, the mother came back and decided she wanted her daughter back and took her. She began to develop misbehavior at school and was getting into trouble often for being defiant with her teachers.

After a family meeting at the school, the counselor suggested it was from the transition of my step daughter going back and forth and feeling unstable, and said with time and patience, this would work itself out.

The next thing we knew, the mother was taking her child to a psychiatrist who diagnosed her with O.D.D. and put her on pediatric zoloft and valium. Her father completely lost it for one, because we had zero behavioral problems over here and this medicine was doping the kid up. The mother however insisted she had to be on this medication.

When the mother dumped her off onto us again and took off, we took her to be re-evaluated by another doctor and she was tested and we were told she did not have O.D.D.

Eventually, she grew up and at 17 years of age fights problems with addiction to valium thanks to the psychiatrist who kept her on it for years of her life. Everytime she tries to go off of it, she suffers intense physical symptoms. She entered rehab a year ago and is free of it, but on muscle relaxants due to continual withdrawal. Benzodiazepine withdrawal can take years for some people according to some doctors I've spoke with.

I really do feel that in our case my step daughter was abused by her mother and the psychiatrist. I'm angry with the fact that she was given these medications without proper diagnosis and in her case they rushed a diagnosis just to get her on meds and make her more tolerable.

I'm very apprehensive when it comes to ADHD diagnoses and others they come up with.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
:shk:

Ive always been a proponent of starting school at 7 and having a two-year break at puberty of 13 and 14.

That would solve a lot of societies issues.

One of Tarquin's doctors, a few years back, said something similar - that children (and boys especially) shouldn't start school till 7. The first 7 years should be left for play learning at home.

I would actually love to home school my son (or, in a perfect world, send him to a Steiner School) but I'm really not sure I have the patience and discipline myself for that.

I have read this thread through from the start at one sitting - so my attention is in no way 'deficient'.

I have found it interesting that such a problem has arisen. I never experienced any children I met in my childhood ever behaving 'disruptively' or 'abnormally'. I was born during WW2.

So then I consider why has this behaviour arisen since the middle of the last century.
The differences between my childhood and that of todays children are -
1.- increased exposure to toxic substances in food, air, and medicines.
2.- the decline in the nutritional value of food due to bad farming practices.
3.- the mind programming of television and sedentary games
4.- the increase in the population - more competition for survival
5.- the climate of constant fear that is generated in society.

It is a very difficult time to be a child - I am glad I was born before these 5 factors arose.

Ok I'll put in my two cents.

In my opinion, ADHD does exist and is a 'legitimate' disorder. After all, it's classified as a disorder in the DSM IV-TR. That does not happen easily. Second, I find it peculiar that someone (the OP) can be so sure about the whole matter. The fact you're a mod, Skyfloating, does not have anything to do with it for me. After all, you're posting as a member and not a mod. But I really think it would helped you if you did more research, as earlier said.

However, I must say that ADHD, and ADD (a related disorder) are tend to be diagnosed a bit too much. Actually, far too much in my opinion. I call them fashion-disorders, because bad parenting and an extraordinairy 'zeal' of children are often misidentified as ADHD.

Being a 40-something kinda guy makes me think that ADHD is a relatively new diagnosis. Sure, we had kids we called "spaz" in my day but as an under-challenged youngster I'll tell my story.

I went to a Catholic school my first 4 years of school. I remember taking placement tests before enrollment. Tests were easy, they always were for me. I did well in school except for the times when I was specifically told not to do something, then I just had to do it.

After a few parent teacher conferences, I remember taking an I.Q. test before 4th grade. Stupid questions but I answered them, 138 I.Q. was the result. My parents wanted to put me into an elite school for "gifted" children but I resisted. I didn''t think I was any different than any of my friends at the time.

I spent the next 4 years in a private Lutheran school. Those were probably some of the best times of my life. I consistently scored high on the Stanford Achievement tests, always in the spelling bees and honor rolls and I had fun doing it. Two grades shared the same classroom. 5th and 6th, 7th & 8th.

When I got to public high school, it just sucked. I constantly skipped class, skipped school and never did homework. Why? Because everything they were teaching, I already knew. Oh sure, I learned some stuff in Reagents Biology but spent most of my time sleeping. Just wake me up for the test.

Pretty soon, I was classified as a special needs student. How damn humorous to me that superintendents hearing was.

"We know you're not stupid but you just don't perform on the same level as the other students." I thought to myself "why not teach something that matters then." 2piRsquared might be useful someday but not then.

I was asked to leave the high school but told of a "secondary program" for students who had trouble learning. The trouble was, none of us had trouble learning, we just had trouble with the way we were being taught.

A smoking lounge, flexible arrival times, cool teachers and a smoking lounge all made going to school fun again. We had class groups of maybe 6 to 10 kids and teachers that really gave a damn about what you were doing with you life get us through the last years of high school.

I'm not saying that ADHD isn't real but at least in my case and my graduating class it was more of a desire to be taught something new than going with the flow and being taught what everybody else was learning.

This is why we homeschool our youngest. Many *not all* but many teachers and schools are big proponents of psychotropic medications. I'm not saying people should not be on them when needed, just saying we have way too many children that are doped up for no good reason.

Originally posted by margaretr
I have read this thread through from the start at one sitting - so my attention is in no way 'deficient'.

I have found it interesting that such a problem has arisen. I never experienced any children I met in my childhood ever behaving 'disruptively' or 'abnormally'. I was born during WW2.

So then I consider why has this behaviour arisen since the middle of the last century.
The differences between my childhood and that of todays children are -
1.- increased exposure to toxic substances in food, air, and medicines.
2.- the decline in the nutritional value of food due to bad farming practices.
3.- the mind programming of television and sedentary games
4.- the increase in the population - more competition for survival
5.- the climate of constant fear that is generated in society.

It is a very difficult time to be a child - I am glad I was born before these 5 factors arose.

Right, me as well.

Problem is modern parents today don'i know about how life was before their birthday. Too bad. With evidence here stated by such modern parents, our society is doomed to being populated by mindless zombies that do what they are told and accept slavery as a way of life.

[edit on 22-8-2010 by romanmel]

reply to post by Skyfloating


So is there any evidence supporting the fact that ADHD doesn't exist? Or is this just your opinion? I absolutely agree with almost everything you've stated in the OP. However, you've provided no evidence supporting the title of this thread, which was stated as a fact. Do you have any, or have you mislabeled the thread title?


Cheers,
Strype

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Everybodys talking about the big "Attention-Deficit-Hyperactivity-Disorder" that has now become a "worldwide Epidemic". If a child cant sit still all day, if it cant suppress its natural urge to play and move, the child is labelled "mentally ill". If a child is unwilling to be indocrinated by boring and useless information all day it is labeled "mentally ill". And then medicine is prescribed, parents asked to accompany their child to a therapist, weird treatments developed and Billions of Dollars wasted because the child wont CONFORM to the collectivist indoctrination-centers we call "school".

How ridiculous is that? If you show a kid "suffering" ADHD something interesting and relevant, he/she will get interested. If you let the kid move a little more, play a little more, enjoy a little more, it will get relaxed. Maybe a bit less ultra-violent-video-games and rapid-movement movies for the six year old. Maybe a bit less sugar for the youngster. And get some Humor into the classroom for goodness sake. As a teacher you need to look at the kid before you look at the Schoolbook. Too many teachers are underpaid and undereducated, staring at books and curricula instead of making a heart-to-heart connection with the kids.

Its not active, energetic and playful kids that need curing, its the deadbeats who think it is an illness to be alive.

[edit on 21-8-2010 by Skyfloating]

The sad thing about this post, is the arragonce, and the ignorance some people have. I am 34, and i suffer with add, and i also suffered with adhd as a child.. I know the condition is real, so it really annoys me when these people say crap like this!

Yes, maybe in some countries is diagnosed too easy, but that does not mean the condition does not exist.

Originally posted by Strype
reply to post by Skyfloating

 

So is there any evidence supporting the fact that ADHD doesn't exist? Or is this just your opinion? I absolutely agree with almost everything you've stated in the OP. However, you've provided no evidence supporting the title of this thread, which was stated as a fact. Do you have any, or have you mislabeled the thread title?


Cheers,
Strype

Proof?

Here ya go:

www.amazon.com...

www.amazon.com...=pd_sim_b_5

www.amazon.com...=pd_sim_b_1

www.amazon.com...=pd_sim_b_11

I could go on and on. Research takes time and requires desire to find truth. Most prefer to just take the advise of strangers as the easy way out to their children's demise.

[edit on 22-8-2010 by romanmel]

I agree ADHD doesn't exhist. I believe it is the lack of attention the parents give to their children. Kids are being medicated because the parents are lazy and uneducated.
I am one of the lucky ones that just escaped the generation of being a medicated kid. I find it difficult to deal with the fact that I'm only 30 and yet I find everyone under the age of 22 to be a dim witted twit.
Girls are rejecting condoms - because they are on the pill, I've heard teens telling each other you can AIDS from touching and no one seems to know "The Goodies" (British Comedy), Jean-Claude Van Damme (US/European Action Star) or two songs by Elvis (International superstar - freakin Google it)!!

My neighbour and I have renamed the Generation. From the Baby Boomers, Gen X and Gen Y........we now have gen WTF (what the f**k).
Simply because they are easy to spot.
"Son can you clean your room?"
"Aww mom, WTF for?"

"WTF, is the point?"
"WTF, is her promlem?"
"WTF, do I have to do that for?"
"WTF, are you looking at?" etc

Is it just me or is the Illuminati's plan to dumb us down is working?

wow

ADHD is real, I've lived with it my whole life. My entire schooling was a nightmare from day 1, even now I struggle to pay attention. Becoming distracted is such a problem, I can't drive for extended periods of time because I get so damn tired from having to concentrate so hard.

and please don't start with telling me it's all in my head or the fact that the system is flawed which what makes this a problem. This and so many other minor conditions such as asperger's syndrome hinder so many children from getting a decent education. I got lucky because my mom was smart enough to tell me I had a problem and worked her hardest to help me with it.


I'm forced to take classes online because I can't pay attention for 5 minutes to a teacher's lecture!

It's outrageous that anyone denies this being an issue