They won't build it! Hardhats vow not to work on controversial mosque near Ground Zero

I don't think it matters.

If it's built? Sure, some persons will say 9/11 made a mosque appear there.

If it's not? The same people will say Americans are racist.

American haters will be American haters and the world will keep on turning, and stuff will keep on exploding. Welcome to life, take a seat, preferably a comfy one and keep on watching.

Originally posted by Pinke
I don't think it matters.

If it's built? Sure, some persons will say 9/11 made a mosque appear there.

If it's not? The same people will say Americans are racist.

American haters will be American haters and the world will keep on turning, and stuff will keep on exploding. Welcome to life, take a seat, preferably a comfy one and keep on watching.

If it doesn't matter, then why not respect the wishes of 70% of Americans who don't want the mosque to be built?

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Visitor2012

Our problem is the Royal family and the Vatican. Everyone else is just trying to survive and prevail. We're fighting ourselves while they shrink our little cages.

What do you mean?

I'm speaking about the bloodlines and the Financial Elite and their influence in all of our wars and hatred towards one another.

I would go into specifics, but there is tons of information and research being done to uncover the true problem we are all facing.

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it was jimmy hoffa in tiger stadium!

oops, just kidding!




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You are correct, it is not a Mega Mosque. It is just a 15 story islamic center, standing near the ruins of what the muslim world considered to be the western societies' mecca, the world trade towers. If you don't see the symbolism here, then I can't help you. Think about the 7th Century when the Dome of the Rock was built on the very site of Solomon and Herrod's temple. Do you not see the similarity of purpose in the building of this mosque? Maybe it's just me who thinks it is their way of stating to the world that they have defeated western society by knocking down the towers and erecting an islamic center in their place; thus ascerting the superiority of the Muslim faith, as they did so many centuries ago.

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Or as a sign of NO FEAR. There are two ways to look at that too.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Pinke
I don't think it matters.

If it's built? Sure, some persons will say 9/11 made a mosque appear there.

If it's not? The same people will say Americans are racist.

American haters will be American haters and the world will keep on turning, and stuff will keep on exploding. Welcome to life, take a seat, preferably a comfy one and keep on watching.

If it doesn't matter, then why not respect the wishes of 70% of Americans who don't want the mosque to be built?

Freedom of religion.

Originally posted by jibeho

This says it all

"But if they moved it somewhere else, we would put up a prime building for these people," he said. "Hell, you could do it next to my house in Rockaway Beach, I would be fine with it. But I'm not fine with it where blood has been spilled."

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I love this quote, thanks for sharing it

I too think it says it all

Best Regards,
sweetliberty

Originally posted by hippomchippo
Freedom of religion.

I presume that would be our freedom of religion, not the freedom of religion that exists in Muslim countries.

In Muslim countries, the Muslim concept of religious freedom reminds me of Henry Ford and his choice of car colors.

"You can have any religion you like, as long as it is Islam"

Still, we get the 'moral high ground' and they get the mosques.

Their religion grows in our home while we are shut out of theirs.

In the words of Winston Churchill

"“Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

Originally posted by Alxandro
This is a job for Obama.
It's time to hire cheap Mexican labor

Guaranteed shoddy work, it's brilliant!

That Victory Mosque will fall for sure then.

A big ugly ignorant child has a policy of dominating the playground and is first to cry to the teacher after a punch on the mouth.

"You can have any religion you like, as long as it is Islam"

Still, we get the 'moral high ground' and they get the mosques.

Why do you scoff at moral high ground??! This is one thing America should actually take pride in.




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Jeesh... How many more government drones will sign in and comment in favor of this... without reservation. It's pathetic. The same people that are commenting in favor of this without even considering its ramifications are those with the exact opposite mindset of the typical demographic that would join ATS. Coincidence? I don't think so. Wake up peeps.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by hippomchippo
Freedom of religion.

I presume that would be our freedom of religion, not the freedom of religion that exists in Muslim countries.

In Muslim countries, the Muslim concept of religious freedom reminds me of Henry Ford and his choice of car colors.

"You can have any religion you like, as long as it is Islam"

Still, we get the 'moral high ground' and they get the mosques.

Their religion grows in our home while we are shut out of theirs.

In the words of Winston Churchill

"“Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

Yes, that would be the freedom of religion in America.
For the same reason the majority of Americans couldn't tell a christian where to build their church.

Why is it people always bring up the lack of choice in religion in Saudi Arabia, we know that, the point is, America is better than that, and ALLOWS freedom of religion, with some of the posts in this thread, I think some people would be much happier in a christian Saudi Arabia.

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That's because in the United States we enjoy liberties which many other oppress. One of those liberties is freedom of religion. Another is the right to free speech. This means that you can hold the opinion that Islam is a violent, radical religion which seeks to eventually dominate the world, and that this mosque will advance that aim. It also means, however, that without proof of any wrongdoing or illegal activity on their part, you cannot deny them the right to build this mosque.

You also have the right to have the opinion that it's wrong for us to give Muslim Americans religious freedom while some largely Muslim nations do not extend the same rights. Your opinion is not legally or constitutionally binding, though. The freedom of religion they have as American citizens, on the other hand, is.

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I'd say those in the unions better heed the words Olbermann speaks from the poem, and realize what devil they've gotten in bed with too. People are being used here as support for things they would normally not support. That's the clever deviousness of this campaign.



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I can assure you that my response is not automated or ill informed. Feel free to discuss your specific vantage point and how it differentiates from others. True, there are quite a number of disturbingly shallow posts, and I'm with you in despising them, but be careful not to join the ranks.

Originally posted by starstrings

"You can have any religion you like, as long as it is Islam"

Still, we get the 'moral high ground' and they get the mosques.

Why do you scoff at moral high ground??! This is one thing America should actually take pride in.




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i think that means, when everyone plays that game it will mean something.


it's like letting children cheat at a game you play with them.

Here's something I don't think anyone understands: It's become an ISSUE... Good or bad, right or wrong, it's caused a stir.

The people who are behind building this thing should just say "Ok, listen, we're going to start looking for another place", and MOVE ON.

I think it's totally moronic for our President to have to make a statement about this. Obviously it's controversial, so just look for somewhere else. That's it.

Remember when the Muslim extremists threatened South Park, and the cartoonist before him? WHat did we do? We backed down. People got mad, yes, but in the eyes of common sense, we just decided it wasn't worth the trouble.

Why is it that this seemingly common-sense issue is so hard for whoever is behind this mosque to understand? It's causing a stir, just stop......

Nope, instead it's push-pull, making it an issue and causing a bigger stir. When we have cities that'll pull your permit for a bar because it's within 3 miles from a school, I have no idea why this hasn't just been rejected outright, freedom of religion or not, it's just common sense.....

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There is a big difference between a child and an adult in terms of mental capacity/reasoning/thought process. In your example America is the adult. Again. Should this not be something to be proud of in and of itself?

Why should an adult sink to the reasoning of a child?