Muslim employee sues Disney over dress code

reply to post by operation mindcrime


Operation Mindcrime, I agree completely with what you are saying. It isn't a race/ ethnic issue.

If Disney failed to deliver on what they promised and didn't provide a suitable alternative, I think the employee had every right to use her own headscarf, or to at least take the matter to the relevant people.

An alternative job offer doesn't seem fair to me though. The woman was employed in a certain capacity and should not have to take up an alternative job because her employer could not fulfil a promise.

reply to post by Jane_Doe1


Thank you for that reply (I am seriously questioning my sanity here considering the replies )

According to the Associated Press, Imane Boudlal, 26, a Morocco-born U.S. citizen, was fitted earlier this summer for a Disney-supplied headscarf but wasn't given a date for completion of the garment and was told she couldn't wear her own hijab in the interim.

This is the key point in the whole argument. We do not know what has been discussed between the employer and employee but we do know, from this article, some consensus was reached because Disney went ahead with the production of a headscarf.

If Disney is producing it's own headscarves then the whole issue of whether or not a headscarf is to be worn in a children's theme-park is non-existent.

The only question remaining is whether or not the woman should be allowed to wear her own alternative until her employer delivers the promised garment.

Here is one side of the story according Disney..

Mouseplanet.com

But that information is not objective. Neither will Imane Boudlal's statement be, so we let a judge take a look at it and he will decide who is right and who is wrong based on ALL the facts!!!

So until that time I will be careful in picking sides on this one. I find it just amazing to find so many on ATS who are willing to make such a judgment call....

Peace

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I can remember when Disneyland in Cal. wouldn't let you in if you had long hair,Knotts berry farm would.

reply to post by operation mindcrime


Here's the other side of the story....(although it does not help their case!!)

Unite here local 11

I cannot find anything in their argumentation about a

Disney-supplied headscarves

as well...??

Where is USA Today getting the information from that the woman was fitted a Disney-supplied headscarf??

Peace

reply to post by operation mindcrime


Found the article that explains the whole "Disney supplied headscarf"..

USA Today

She asked her supervisors if she could wear the scarf and was told they would consult with the corporate office, Qazi said. Boudlal didn't hear anything for two months and was then told she could wear a head scarf, but it had to be designed by Disneyland's costume department to comply with the Disney look, Qazi said.

She was fitted for a Disney-supplied head scarf but was not given a date when the garment would be finished and was told she couldn't wear her own hijab in the interim.

It would seem that this case is just a tool in a fight between a union and a corporation. I am going to stay out of this one....

Peace

a head scarf with mouse ears?

Is Fla. a right-to-work state? I'd fire her and move on. In most right-to-work states, you don't need cause or warning. That would shut her yap. Go back the the caves of Pakistan if you don't like it. These "immigrants" are going to turn this country into the country they tried to escape. It makes no sense.

Pretty simple Disney just needs to open an attraction named Little Muslim world or something. Then she would have a place to go and wear her clothes the way she is acustomed to. They could even make it into a thrill ride and have crazy people running around with machine guns and rocket launchers. Then she would most surely feel right at home here inside the good old USA. Seriously people this is just insane. It's about as stupid as a buisnessman demanding to be able to wear ripped up jeans and redneck t'shirts instead of suit & tie. It's just another example of ignorance. Like already stated she was employed of her own free will, if she dosn't like the dress code, quit.............

Originally posted by p51mustang
a head scarf with mouse ears?

No, from what I heard it was with Playboy Bunny ears.

I've met wonderful people in the Middle East and Central Asia, and I have nothing against Islam as a religion. When it comes to lifestyle, however, I can't help but conclude that some tenets of it, when observed to the tee, simply don't fit with what we've come to appreciate as American way of life.

Speaking of Ramadan... If you abstain from eating and drinking from dawn to sunset, I doubt that you can remain an efficient worker, and in some cases you'll put yourself and others in danger (such as when operating machinery).

Some things just don't mix well.

reply to post by jaynkeel


Yeah but by promising the employee appropriate garment this whole story shifts from a discussion about religious garment into an employer/employee misunderstanding of agreements and that is for a judge to look at..

This story is deliberately spun out off context...

Wake up!!!

Peace



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reply to post by operation mindcrime


I have my own trousers but I have to wear company supplied trousers to adhere to the uniform policy, why should her scarf / headdress be different?

reply to post by Freeborn

Freeborn,

If your company had promissed you a certain type of trousers because you have a personal preference for a certain type of trousers. And after three months your employer fails to deliver on ealier agreements you could have the notion that you are in titled to some form of protest.....??

I am just saying this could be a scenario but without knowing the exact facts we can not tell.

IMHO..

Peace

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reply to post by operation mindcrime


I would wear my oldest, scruffiest, raggiest company trousers to shame them into getting new one's....now wouldn't that be a more effective approach for a waitress to take rather than just to decide to screw the employer for a bit of money?

reply to post by Freeborn

Freeborn,

Well that can be argued but at least the subject of this discussion is a misunderstanding between employer/employee and not the reason why this woman wants to wear what she wants.

Respect.

The ignorance in this thread is killing me...

I'd like to point out to all the xenophobes that the majority of Muslims live in a country called Indonesia. That's right, the majority of practicing Muslims are all down in south east Asia. Been there for awhile. I don't see them doing anything other than hanging out and giving us their share of the bacon.

For all you Americans on here...

Any Muslim who comes to this country has a right to attempt to alter it how they see fit. If they want to wear hijabs in the work place they have a right to attempt to get that want met. Pursuit of happiness ladies and gentlemen.

And also, just because a corporation does something, doesn't make it right. We used to have child labor, that went away. I really don't see something like a head scarf dooming America. That's like saying the Irish are violent drunks who are to destroy our society if we let them immigrate here. I mean, come on, Christianity has been trying to control this Country for awhile. You oppose Islam giving it a shot because it's not a "western" religion? Right, Ok when white Chrstians give it a go but not those brown people!!!!

When your precious rights are being violated, than I'll happily tell them to sit down and shut up.

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After reading the comments and the articles on this, I can come to the conclusion on the following:
The woman is ultimately wrong and is out of line. The question has to be what is an employer actually responsible to accomidate for? Most employers will accomidate for physical disabilities, as that is part of the law, when ever it is possible. But sometimes it is not possible, due to the nature of the job. Disney does not discriminate, but does have an image that they have to uphold. Part of the job is wearing a uniform, and if you look at most jobs, the uniform is not something you can alter or change. The question must be asked, what if this was say a convience store or even the military? The military will not allow for changes in the uniform, and a convience store, would not allow for the face to be covered, nor would any businesses. When a person is hired for a job, from my own experience, the employer presents the employee with a job description, and what is expected. Uniforms are carefully outlined, and changes or the way an employee is expected to look, as well as, the nature of the job is carefully outlined. As this person has worked for the company for 2 years, the question could also be asked, when did she alert her prior employeer about her religious conviction, and what accomidations were offered. Based off of the article, I must believe, that there was 2 other times when this had to come up. Why now is it an issue?

Originally posted by AdAbsurdum
Any Muslim who comes to this country has a right to attempt to alter it how they see fit.

And people who reside here have the right to preserve the character of the country, if they choose so.

If they want to wear hijabs in the work place they have a right to attempt to get that want met. Pursuit of happiness ladies and gentlemen.

Well then it's a competition, fine. You see, I don't want to see hijabs next to Mickey Mouse, it spoils the atmosphere.

I really don't see something like a head scarf dooming America.

We are talking about Disney experience, not America in general.

Her kind will buyout the hotel from Disney one day.
They own all the oil.
What can Disney be thinking.
Serves Disney right for going along with the many illuminati
conspiracies.
Alternative energy now.
The better for Disney.

reply to post by sdcigarpig

sdcigarpig,

Thank you for reason...

As this person has worked for the company for 2 years, the question could also be asked, when did she alert her prior employeer about her religious conviction

Then the question could also be asked, was she expected to alert her employer? One is free to choose a religion at any point in time.

Peace

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