Alien Abductions Threads are LIES (Mostly)!!!

The title of this thread Alien Abductions Threads are LIES (Mostly) suggests to me that the OP would like nothing better than to troll the UFO forum baiting its participants. Therefore, I am not going to get in to a big debate on this subject. All I am going to say is the OP is entitled to his/her own opinion.

OP - Before you unleash a barrage of abuse at this post because I have no doubt that one particuar member will goad you along, I have added you as a foe because your current lack of understanding anything else other than your own opinions are apparent in (Mostly) all of your posts.

Regards

^ Cosign as i have added him in my foes lol, I almost never do this but have for the same reasons. I agree the purpose of this thread is obviously for mere trolling and baiting. Apparently the OP has not provided any evidence what so ever to support most abductees are liars or even made a valid point yet. Nothing he has said we have not heard before.

REAL researchers like Budd Hopkins, John Mack and others have made the case that this is NOT the case. Actually a small number of claims are lies and copy cats. It is also insulting to me because the person i call "BOB" is actually me.

Don't ask , I will say this has happened outside of my bed.

Homosexual rape? No was never raped im a big guy would be hard to do in any case.


I do not know if these beings are ET at all. I try to find other explanations and theories that suggest they are something else. As much as I wish this was all a psychosis or what have you. I am still what i consider to be a skeptical believer in the sense I am skeptic of what and who they are and I also believe them to be real. I also approach other reports and cases with skepticism and set my personal beliefs aside. I simply want the truth. I have debunked hoaxes and exposed liars and take offense to these types and they would respond in accusing me of being a hoaxer? So yes people lie and yes there are some sick warped people out there. But most the abductees i have met and talked to have suffered and are from all walks of life and like me and you. They are not freaks or geeks they are human beings that had something happened they can not explain. Many of them do not believe in ET even.

I do not discuss my experiences here because I do not have proof so it is pointless. I am also sick of people like Kevin using this forum for character assassination and such intolerance of the subject. I respect all opinions and skeptical approach as it is mandatory in truth seeking, I personally do not care if someone believes in ET or abductions or even me. The premise of this thread is non productive and that is the intent of the OP. Just a cheap shot and insult to those who have gone through such an ordeal. In my opinion Kevin has not done his homework




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Anybody posting on this thread who has claimed to be abducted by UFO’s is going to disagree with me, I know that. For allot of you it’s probably “your thing”, “your story” and I am challenging it. I cannot believe however that there are more people on this thread who are seeking to flame me then there are on most UFO abduction threads. If you ask yourself the question, what’s more likely wee jimmy was abducted or he is lying? If you conclude he is telling the truth and was abducted without providing you with any evidence then you are among the most ignorant people in ATS. That is what this thread is basically about.

“to my foes, I will destroy you.”

Originally posted by kevinunknown
Anybody posting on this thread who has claimed to be abducted by UFO’s is going to disagree with me, I know that. For allot of you it’s probably “your thing”, “your story” and I am challenging it. I cannot believe however that there are more people on this thread who are seeking to flame me then there are on most UFO abduction threads. If you ask yourself the question, what’s more likely wee jimmy was abducted or he is lying? If you conclude he is telling the truth and was abducted without providing you with any evidence then you are among the most ignorant people in ATS. That is what this thread is basically about.

“to my foes, I will destroy you.”

First off, I had an experience. Let's leave it at that because I just don't know what it was all about. But it's my experience. I've drawn no one into it nor do I talk about it very often.

Now, what I find interesting is: why do you even care?

I feel people who have energy enough to care (even if it's a negative 'care') have some underlying tie to the subject.

Case in point. I don't pay too much attention to ghost stories (simply because I can't relate to them) but for some reason, I have no energy to start a thread )or conversation) about it and challenge those who do.

So again, what's this to you?

Why do you care what I believe? I'm not knocking on your door like some JehovAlien Witness, ramming this down your throat so.....somethin's up OP.

You're either a very negative person to begin with or.....you've had an experience that you're either not understanding or perhaps, it's buried deep in your subconscious and you're reacting to it. But something's not right here.

Hope you find your peace and learn to not care about things you simply can't relate to. Life goes a lot smoother that way!

Originally posted by kevinunknown
If you ask yourself the question, what’s more likely wee jimmy was abducted or he is lying? If you conclude he is telling the truth and was abducted without providing you with any evidence then you are among the most ignorant people in ATS. That is what this thread is basically about.

“to my foes, I will destroy you.”

No Kevin. This thread is about provocation and you know it. Like so many of your replies all over other boards.

Even if I wasn't an abductee (which is still looking for answers btw) I would totally disagree with your thinking. Notice I said "thinking". NOT your evidence since you have none, not your facts since you have none either. What makes you so different from an abductee then?? I have seen you over and over again question mental stability to numerous people on this very site. Honestly? It's yours I wonder about.

wee jimmy? How about wee Kevin? If you are out of your teens, then you are very clearly a very immature individual. Who thinks he's not...

"to my foes, I will destroy you." Clear indication.

MODS, I had to tell my story of abduction (like many others) in the Grey Area Board.

I wonder why this garbage thread is still in the A&U Board since it talks of the subject and reflects the same type of non evidence and non factual state of form...

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Where does your antipathy come from Kevin?

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MODS, please do not remove this post, I want to see an answer to that question. Thank you.

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I tend to agree with you. He's either a provocateur (negative person like I said) or...................there's some deep seeded cause to his interest to this very topic.


This may be a bad analogy but it's like someone who spends a lot of his downtime mocking and hating homosexuals. It's been said those who have a huge problem with that chosen life style tend to question their own sexuality.
This is not to say you aren't entitled to your preference/opinion (to not like it) but..to spew hatred/negativity (and perhaps start a thread about it) has a whole other psychiatric connotation!

Because if you think about it.....what does it matter what someone else thinks or does if it does NOT concern you?

So......there's something more to this cat, Kevin and he really ought to figure it out.

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maybe he himself has been an abductee and b/c he couldnt find any evidence he went on to depsise it so much knowing it happened but found no evidence that he is out for vengeance and ofcourse the aliens arent anywhere close to him so the next best thing is to make other abductees feel like crap...b/c if he cant deal with it NO ONE can...all b/c of no evidence

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The point of this thread is not my evidence, it’s the lack of evidence coming from the people on ATS who write the “I was abducted” threads.

Not that it should matter but yes I am out of my teens and the “to my foes, I will destroy you” comment was a play on a quote by Frankie Boyle found in the cover of his book. I was making a joke out of the number of people who have added me as their respected foe based on this thread.

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by SonoftheSun

 

The point of this thread is not my evidence, it’s the lack of evidence

But at this point in our Human development (or lack thereof) we simply can't prove it.

Besides, the only proof (two people who changed the entire world) Einstein and Hawking provide are..... non-tangible proof too! Yet so few challenge them. Why is it.
If Einstein or Hawking SAID there are abductions going on, would that suffice? I wonder.

Not everything can be put in your hand or placed in front of you.

It's like saying "no one dreams because there's no proof'. Doesn't that sound antiquated?

Hell, many abductees have taken (primitive) lie detector tests and pass. Seeing that's the only 'thing' we can offer them (as a form of proof) at this time, why isn't that good enough for you?

If we can't help abductees to PROVE it......then who are you to ask them to provide proof?

Some abductees have chips. Some have marks. Some have trace evidence. Some pass lie detector tests. Some have pregnancies that disappear.
What more do you want?
A photo? A 'photo' (in this forum) will be made into a CGI in no time so...again, tell us what you would like to see as far as proof.
You don't know and THAT'S the problem with you. Nothing will ever be enough.

But not to worry, in time, this WILL be explained. Trust in the process!

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I don't belive in alien abductions.

But I do belive in Aliens.

Some of those 'experiments' had been done by humans unto other humans. Not by "other worldly-beings".

Plus plenty of those reports from "abductees" are a mix of "sleep paralysis" & hallucinations.

Originally posted by plutoxgirl
reply to post by kevinunknown

 

I don't belive in alien abductions.

But I do belive in Aliens.

Some of those 'experiments' had been done by humans unto other humans. Not by "other worldly-beings".

Plus plenty of those reports from "abductees" are a mix of "sleep paralysis" & hallucinations.

thats like saying i believe in god and heaven but i dont believe in the devil or hell even though christianity wouldnt be around if it wasnt for the devil!

i mean come on did you even think before you typed that...

maybe jesus was a run away refugee who came across gullable people and played head games with them! sleep paralysis ffff man! you women are easily brainwashed

Originally posted by plutoxgirl
reply to post by kevinunknown

 

I don't belive in alien abductions.

But I do belive in Aliens.

Some of those 'experiments' had been done by humans unto other humans. Not by "other worldly-beings".

Plus plenty of those reports from "abductees" are a mix of "sleep paralysis" & hallucinations.

The key words you used are: "Some" and "Plenty". Your own words precludes "ALL".

So going with that reasoning then.......all it takes is ONE to be real.

I understand people's reservations about this whole paradigm after all, it brings us into a WHOLE other reality that we were never taught.

And that too is part of the problem.
We've trusted all that we were told. And because 'they' haven't broached this subject in high school, church or some throne, we automatically dismiss it.
We are taught not to be free-thinkers. How sad is that.

We are programmed. Whether deliberate or designed, we are thoroughly conditioned. And right there, is a bulk of the problem.

But like I keep saying. Just wait. Apparently this is not our time to all get aboard (and accept) this phenomenon. Perhaps the world isn't quite ready for a major change yet. Come to think of it, it really isn't.

But truth does eventually prevail in the end. Always does!

Originally posted by kevinunknown
If you conclude he is telling the truth and was abducted without providing you with any evidence then you are among the most ignorant people in ATS. That is what this thread is basically about.

Putting out a preemptive strike on anyone who disagrees with you is usually the sign of a weak argument.

There are plenty of experiences with no evidence, but it makes them no less "real". Some of them rule the life from beginning to end. Love being the most obvious. You can't prove you love someone but I'm sure you do.

You demand that an experience provide you with a level of proof that you're comfortable with. But this phenomenon has never been about providing what you or anyone else wants. You're looking in the wrong direction. You look for "proof" instead of asking what personal and public circumstances surround any paranormal activity, which are the productive questions to ask.

This is very interesting.
I read almost every post about aliens and UFOs on this site. And I've read every single post on this thread and I can almost tell the ages of said-poster.
Not that that's a bad thing but I sorta see what's happening. For the record, I'm 50 years old and have an interest in this for at least 20 years. Longer than some of your lives.


Pre modern times---------Earth hosts the only life in the universe

1950's------------Much talk about UFOs
1960's------------Much ridicule about UFOs
1970's------------Much talk about covert military operations (UFOs)
1980's------------Much talk about abductions, contact and sightings
1990's------------Much talk over dis-trust of officials
1990's------------Many UFO reports sighting, abductions, movies & books
1990's------------Many accept 'life' elsewhere due to movies, books etc
2000's------------Many feel UFOs are both alien and military
2000's...............Most believe in aliens at........a distance!

Post modern times..............Most are struggling to incorporate the whole possible picture now.


Like I keep saying....in time dear friends. We're almost there. It's just an evolution-process, that's all. Just do yourselves a favor, find the truths yourself. Do not rely on others.

I wasn't going to come back to this thread but this old Grandma isn't going to stop until I have my say.

I will try to say this nicely.

First your thread title Alien Abductions Threads are LIES (Mostly) what's with the (mostly) right there you are looking for attention that which you accuse Alien Abductee's of doing.

Since I am an experiencer I do not take kindly to being called a liar., I share freely what I have been shown and told (freely) from they themselves that we speak of.

Secondly, this subject is very hard on many people that have had experiences and when they find the strength within themselves to open up someone like yourself comes along and with your words destroys their confidence to write about what has happened to them and to try and get answers if any were to come forth for them.

Thirdly, everyone has the freedom of their opinions and to be skeptic but there is a way to do so and calling us liars is not the way to go about that.

Next, Abductee's and experiencers (which I think is funny) are tossed out of the UFO and Alien section as mentioned earlier by sonofthesun and put in the Grey area or before that the skunk works why is this allowed to still be here in this forum.

Next, there is plenty of proof but like many said that proof is not good enough for you/many and you/many aren't going to believe until abduction happens to you. Since my posts get deleted by greeneyedleo because I said what needs to occur for you to understand I won't say it a third time outright but I still fell the same way unfortunately, for this is what I believe it will take for you to understand.

IMO you have no compassion for members that have had to endure these events and are either trying to share or seek others for help in undertstanding.

When it comes to this subject I am totally serious and my words are MY BOND and if anyone needs to talk I am always willing to listen. Maybe you kevinunknown need to learn to "observe" and research this subject just a wee bit more.

I also did something I normally would not do I added you as a "foe" and I even looked the word up because there are usually different meanings and you did fit into one of them for me.

I hope the day comes I can change that to friend........... time will tell.

Originally posted by observe50
Next, Abductee's and experiencers (which I think is funny) are tossed out of the UFO and Alien section as mentioned earlier by sonofthesun and put in the Grey area or before that the skunk works why is this allowed to still be here in this forum.

Yeah, I asked about that myself after a years old still active thread of mine was chunked into that wasteland of a bin. I wouldn't have cared if I wasn't having a great discussion with someone one there (which to be honest for me is far as few between these days here).

My question went unanswered about this new "policy": Most UFO reports have no corroborating evidence or data other than an admittance that someone saw it, and often are a non-tangible experience - but we don't see those threads being moved into a catch-all basket. I'm confounded to understand why that is, and the moderator flatly ignored my question after 2 attempts.

Maybe it was because I said it was a bone-headed policy. But, it's their sandbox, they can do what they want I suppose.

reply to post by observe50


Nice to meet another Experiencer.

I think scolding this Kevin-cat will fall on deaf ears/eyes. But glad you got that out of your system though.

Yeah, it's frustrating but there comes a time (in my case anyway) that, it just doesn't matter anymore. Proving something just isn't important when there's just no way of doing so.
You just hope your sincerity is enough (and in most cases, it is) but on a public forum? Pffffft!

And just for the record: I still to this day, have no idea who, what or why this happened to me in 1997.

I almost wanted this to be a mental/emotional/physical condition or event. At least then I could've put a clinical name to it and then....work on myself so to combat this but......that wasn't the case.

And you know what? I became less attached to 'things' and more in tune to the universe. Spiritual you may say.
So whether something 'alien' happened or not (which I think, did) I am grateful for the experience now. Not back then though!

The fact remains, this (whatever 'this' is) is real. It happens.
We need to find out what it is. Then why it is. Then how it is. There's just no need to prove this to naysayers.

Until then..........sit back and enjoy the ride and don't care about the Kevins of the world!


PS. What does making someone your foe do? Does that cut out contact with them or is it just a statement? Someone made me their foe within the first hour of signing up. Then I, made him my friend. Kill 'em with kindness!

If you have wrote a thread in the pat on ATS claiming you have been abducted by little green men you are not going to agree with me. I don’t even expect you to believe me, I find most threads about UFO abduction funny and i think allot of you are lieing.

Saying that however the accusation of lying only applies to those people who flatly refuse to believe another explanation as to what has happened to them. The posters on this thread for example might not be telling intentional lies they could have hallucinated, been intoxicated, mentally ill or perhaps there is another explanation, but you were not abducted by UFO’s. If people continue to claim to abducted by a UFO without evidence proving that they were indeed abducted and do no accept any other explanation, I will conclude that the “abdutee” is lying. Furhter to this I will call those who flatly believe you as being gullible and ignorant.

Not one of you have provided evidence that backs up your own individual case of UFO abduction other than your personal testimonies. Without that evidence then I can’t believe you were ever abducted therefore you are either lying or there is a more plausible earthy explanation.

jritzman I don't understand it either.

I know I received my u2u's from greeneyedleo about being deleted and maybe it is because I mentioned their name but they are the moderator and they are the one that sent the u2u.

As I see it what I wrote about the ...... probe isn't something that I haven't seen written here many times before by others but someone complained so I guess that's the way it goes.

I am very passionate about this subject so yes I may get a little touchy at times especially when called a liar and since I have a thread about this subject then I fit into this catagory of his of being a liar.

Human_Alien, about the foe thingy I usually am not into that but for some reason in this case I wanted him to know that I disagree with him and tell him to do some research on this subject the truthis out there and maybe in time foe will change to friend.

I don't believe I will be back to this thread myself I think it needs to drift off into cyber space like most of my threads

[edit on 19-8-2010 by observe50]

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