"What's with the anger on ATS?"

Originally posted by Wide Vision 2010



Moderators need to be present and do their job. I have not seen one in my threads, ever.

They are present and they do a great job imo. Masqua, for instance, is an exceptional moderator.

They are not babysitters but they are there for you if you ask.



[edit on 17-8-2010 by sweetliberty]

It's kind of a catch .22 with the emotions on here. We're all demanding smaller government with more individual freedoms, but now we all want more regulations with free speech on ATS?

I agree that before someone posts a thread on ATS, they should take their time, and conduct a good investigation to get the basic facts. Nothing worse then a thread thats based on crap, but I feel it should be handled differently. Maybe there is a way that ATS Mods can label the people who throw around hate speech, so others know their status before even reading their posts.

ATS is growing, and people are angry, but maybe placing more restrictive regulations on free speech isnt the way. I hope it isn't.

Originally posted by sweetliberty

Originally posted by Wide Vision 2010

Moderators need to be present and do their job. I have not seen one in my threads, ever.

They are not babysitters but they are there for you if you ask.

Yep.
If you look at the bottom of each thread screen you will see something like this....This thread is in a forum moderated by: spacedoubt, Spiderj, Jbird, GAOTU789, neformore, Skyfloating, MemoryShock, Dr Love, seagull, maria_stardust, greeneyedleo, AshleyD"

You can also use the alert button.

The problem is that the mods can intercede but this won't stop the actions of the ones doing offensive posts and threads.

The rest of the members are enabling the offenders by stooping to their level.

If you can't engage a member in a suitable manner then reducing yourself to exibiting the same behavior just plays into their hands.

Ignore them and don't give them the benefit of your time and attention.

The greatest orator in the world is nobody without an audience.

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Skeptic, I have told you what is going on many times, but you just refuse to admit the truth. I think it is your guilt that is getting to you. The only thing in our lives that has changed over the last few years is that reality has forced itself into our lives such that we can no longer ignore it.

Our politicians are corrupt beyond recognition.
Our countries financial situation is bordering collapse.
The most radical nations on earth are obtaining nuclear weapons.
Large populations are causing shortages of basic necessities and a rise in prices across the board.

Do I need to go on? These truths of our lives are getting worse in every major country because they are all globally connected and controlled now. Beside it all, we are quickly becoming disillusioned by the lies that everything is OK and it is all going to get better. The harsh reality is that it is only getting worse because no one in charge has the will to actually stop the downward spiral.

Beneath all this tension and government lies are even more harsh realities waiting to be discovered. Realities that most societies refuse to view with any truth at all. One of which is the reality that Islam hates all other religions and as a global religious governmental body their final solution is to assassinate all other members of all other religions who will not convert to their own branch of Islam. In short, God is right, the end times are a reality, and so is everything that is written in the Book of Revelation. Things will get progressively worse on a global scale from here on in I feel.

But lets confront a harsher truth that is closer to home shall we? The truth that you all ready know all of this and yet, you are refusing to do anything about it as a leader and officer in charge. I have seen you post many of these “Let all sing Kumba-ya” posts. As time goes, on they get longer and more frequent. They bespeak that you, “can't understand” what is going on “on the forum”, but that is hardly the truth. You know very well what is going on with the forum, just as we all do, because the forum is just a reflection of the times we live in.

So what are you really getting at? What is the real objection that you have? Well, to be blunt, I feel that it is guilt. The same guilt that anyone controlling a media outlet feels when they simply stand on the sidelines and refuse to take a stand on the issues.

“We're not the news”, you claim.

Your broadcasts of the “Chicks” is a perfect example. You refuse to even take a conspiratorial stand against things on your own conspiracy produced videos. Your not the news you say, but yet you still attempt to be the news in your own way. Why?

It is all because you are guilty of refusing to combat the harsh truths of life. You are guilty of refusing to take a stand and it is weighing its toll upon you. This is why you continue to simply rant about decorum and manners instead of the real issues that cause a lack of manners and decorum. Where are the moderators people have asked? But the moderators do not respond. Absent true enforcement has been. But why? It is guilt once again. We naturally allow people to vent and attack each other in these times because we naturally understand that things are coming to a head and it is time that the guilty parties be accused of their crimes. It is time for the bankers and the fraudulent housing appraisers to go to jail for their crimes. It is time that the judges who rewrite the law be removed of their seats. It is time that the politics of every nation be changed and the houses cleaned. It is time that we decided to confront the lies and hold the guilty parties responsible for what they have done.

In short, it is time that we take action and we all know it fully to the core of our being. This is why the moderators allow slight attacks and injustices against those that are known to be wrong. In defense the moderator would say, “But he or she is right in their attacks”, “Is it my job to silence the truth?”

It is time that we started taking sides. Sitting on the fence will no longer do. Hard times force us to make decisions that are long overdue. And make no mistake, most of you will make the wrong decisions because you have neglected your morality for far too long. It takes time to relearn the basics of right and wrong. It is a fools game to think that you have not compromised your morality when you have decided to sit on the fence for many years. What happens is that you become immoral when you refuse to take action. You no longer remember the foundations of right and wrong because you have suppressed and ignored them for so long.

What we all need to do is go back to religious foundations. I strongly suggest confession and communion in the Catholic Church. It is the Christian rock of the world that Christ founded. Make no mistake, our times are religious times and religious warfare, for it is basic morality and right and wrong that we are faced with on a global scale. It is time to go back to your christian upbringing and prepare yourselves for battles that still await.

[edit on 17-8-2010 by Hot_Wings]

It's a complicated kettle of fish that's for sure.

Many separate issues and differing opinions brought together under the ATS umbrella.

It's hard to decide what to censor whenever we are meant to be a conspiracy site which explores the perception of truth. Should censorship exist and if so which privileged groups get blackballed out of the pen of antagonists and why?

I attack the stance of claim without proof and will continue to use my hard willed, and well humoured, manner to belittle support of that opinion for the well being of those who are susceptible to things such as cults and hawkers (no thanks needed) and I do it without anger.

Whilst I generally leave the religious forum alone faith falls under the category of claim without proof. If we abide by the fact that those who practise some sort of religion are allowed to then we have to accept that those who follow a different religion will deem them wrong. This leads to a rivalry between both sects and inevitably each feels insulted that they are not considered correct on their fundamental outlook by the other.

This can lead to heated and possibly angry exchanges as each postures itself to be on the moral high ground.

This spilling into threads which exclaims one group is inferior to the other in the title here on the boards is the obvious logical progression of things.

Do we allow for people to label those who follow a certain faith based outlook with insults without knowing them first?

What about the long running labelling with insults that those without faith based outlooks receive here?

In this recent thread entitled 'Is prejudice against sceptics socially acceptable?' I hoped to explore why anger is, and has been for a long time, acceptable on these forums towards sceptics and received little to no answer from those who happily lash out at sceptics.

Now we have one of the big three being attacked openly though we have an official action by the management of the boards to explore it and save face for any PR outbreak that could arise from attacking others openly due to their religion on the boards.

It could be that the timing is just co-incidental though eh?

-m0r

reply to post by m0r1arty

Now we have one of the big three being attacked openly though we have an official action by the management of the boards to explore it and save face for any PR outbreak that could arise from attacking others openly due to their religion on the boards.

And who would that be? You think you are clever by claiming that someone else is attacking the administrators of the site and you blatently accuse them of doing nothing about it. All the while, never accusing them yourself. Bespeaks of a manipulating coward doesn't it? Yes, your actions are cowardice.

But I will not be the snake that you are. I will openly state what is known by all who can read your comments. It is you, the snake, the false accusor who is to blame. You accuse others of things they have not done and then claim that those in charge are either cowards or frauds if they do nothing about your false accusations.

But you fail to mention that you are the one who is attacking them. You are the one making false claims and calling them cowards and frauds by default if they do nothing about your ranting falshoods. So who has attacked them besides you? Has anyone else threatened them with labeling of titles besides you? you think yourself clever, but you fail to realize that your lies will be exposed.

Well if one does not want hate threads, do not read or participate in them.

I really do not see a problem with ATS, what I see a problem with are people who cannot control the click.

Some thread titles make it obvious what the thread is going to be about.

If one hates hate threads or anger, do not participate in that type of thread or posting.

The rest boils down to self control from the haters and the readers/posters.

As it always does.

Now if the case is infiltration by net gangs, well, my advice still stands.

Of course I myself am here participating in this thread which is like the other threads questioning the hate and anger, but at least this is the "official" one.

I really don't see any increase in hate or difference in posts than I ever have either as a member or prior to that when I only viewed.

It's always been here. Seems like 75% of the posters hate Christians, 25% hate Muslims, and everyone hates everyone else's political party.

reply to post by Hot_Wings


I truly am sorry but I cannot understand a modicum of what you are saying.

This isn't a veiled or sarcastic remark this is an open request for you to reiterate what you have posted in a more accessible fashion to me.

I thank you in advance for your time and assistance with this matter.

-m0r

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


Thank you overlord for this thread, it really cheered me up

Focus. Focus. Focus. Don't let "them" infect your sensibilities and allow their artificial anger to infect how you interact with other members here on ATS. It's important to be passionate about what's happening in the world, but don't let that passion contaminate your words such that people react to how you post, not what you post. This is hard, really hard. But on the other hand, it's worth it. It's vitally important for society as a whole to learn to move beyond this culture of bitterness perpetuated by mainstream media, and focus on the issues and not each other.

It's important to be passionate about what's happening in the world, but don't let that passion contaminate your words such that people react to how you post, not what you post.

Overlord believe i tried but i have seen a lots of anger on my thread

The Corruption in the Manga Industry and other industries.

believe me some posted differently then what i accepted, and only one member knew the issues i was talking about and discussing about.

I noticed alot of anger reply postings in my thread.



From now i wont be discussing anime or manga on abovetop, until they stop posting like they are anger or something.



[edit on 17-8-2010 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

[edit on 17-8-2010 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


Do not say “I will not post anymore”. For this is what those who are evil want you to say, and they should not have their way. You have as much right to state the truth as they do the lies, do you not?

You must try to understand what is going on from a larger point of view. This is why many people seem to not understand why civility is going away, not just online, but everywhere. Years ago, most of what was presented on this forum was aliens, ghosts, goblins, Atlantis, and other conspiracies that are largely external to our daily lives. Now, due to the harsh realities of life that have been building for many decades, the focus has switched to conspiracies that are related to the direct causes of our daily issues. It is that necessity has forced many to switch their focus from the surreal to the very real. Instead of aliens, people focus on corporations and politics. Instead of historical conspiracies, people focus on the current new world order statements and current political coverups and laws. Instead of a “possible” coverup with a “single” and “remote” aircraft crash site, the people focus a very real “certain” disregard of the laws concerning the “ongoing” and “locally impacting” disaster of the Gulf Oil Contamination Leak. The former, not affecting our daily lives, the latter perhaps affecting our jobs, our income, and our families.

Life has forced us to turn our eyes towards reality and away from flights of fancy, and that is what has caused a lack of civility in all parts of our lives. It is nothing new and it will certainly continue until many harsh realities of life are dealt with in sufficient manner such that we can once again ignore the world enough to enable this evil political cycle to once again continue onward for the next generation. It was our grandparents during the Great Depression and World War Two who last had to confront the harsh realities of life and the world, and now it is our turn.

But do not simply say, “To hell with it, I'll just shut up,” or “It's not worth the fight.” Why? It is because that is the mentality that has brought us to this point from the very beginning. It is time that we “Speak up and be counted.” It is not the time to hide ourselves away and do nothing. Fight the good fight. Just know that the truth that you are presenting are the truths that many still choose to ignore and pretend do not exist, and so, they will attack you personally for making them confront harsh realities. Just remember what Christ said, “Remember, they hated me first”. Let him comfort you.

The hard part for me is remaining to be kind and cheerful, positive and uplifting. Mostly, I am not these things, but I am working on it. And if they attack you for presenting truths that they choose to deny then so be it. Do your best to turn the other cheek. I find this hard as well. If it was easy, there would not be merit in it.

[edit on 17-8-2010 by Hot_Wings]

I feel that directed anger or frustration in the form of anger is common in the NATURE of the wide spectrum of topics and discussions on ATS.Sure decorum and manners coupled with respect for other members should always be adhered to in any discussions on ANY kind of topic.I have a question below i feel is relative to this particular thread on why is there so much anger and what is its causes;


UFO/Alien forum;
1.Are there members who do NOT want any form of evidence, be it circumstantial, showing the POSSIBILITY that SOME UFOs might be ET in origin because it scares them or it threatens their religious beliefs.Could that be one of the reasons so much anger is vented sometimes in the UFO threads??



[edit on 15/07/2010 by K-PAX-PROT]

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
reply to post by SeventhSeal

 

I place Glenn Beck somewhere inbetween a dog chasing his own tail and a monkey throwing poo at his own audience.

I place him at the poo.

And yes, he and poo machines like him are a large part of an even larger problem. There was a recent thread where the OP poster wanted to know just one single thing Poo lied about; just one! (and "proof") Could have been a devil's advocate thing, I don't know - either way there's no conspiracy there - Poo openly admits that if you believe anything he says "you're an idiot."

After reading half of this thread last night, and the rest of it this morning, it seems like nothing is being done/agreed on/ what have you by the members.

I'll reiterate what I said yesterday: If it seems like someone is venting, if it seems like someone is a bit "out there" let them be. "These are not the droids you are looking for, move along"

Also, although after being told to stop alerting posts I found to be in violation of T&C a few months ago by a moderator, I think I'll pick up that habit again. It seems more then a few people have complained that mods "don't do enough". I think this is a combination of not having enough, and personal bias. Bias that no manner of a "talking to" would fix. That's fine, bias happens, but if we, as members, continually alert to what we find to be problems, the staff it would seem would have no choice but to address the problem. That problem would either be the people alerting, or the people they are being alerted of.

Also, one final thing to Bill, as another member mentioned a few pages back, your arrogance in responding does not help. I have seen it on just about every thread you post that has to do with business. I get you wear the pants in this relationship, but I don't put up with my boss pulling the big dog card on me just 'cause. It's unfair. If a member has an issue, responding with arrogance and disdain is no way to handle it. Let me be clear: I am not saying that as an attack.

Supes

People should never forget that there is people behind the words, while with a blank expression staring at your monitor just understand that behind that screen there is a person just like you.

if people look deep enough they will find the real truth about why you are here on ATS.

We need each other.

Because there are a million posts and only a few dozen mods?

I bet being a mod or admin sucks! I sure wouldn't wish that on even my worst enemies. So I feel bad for them usually...

I have a sugestion, add a few mods. take the best guys from this site and add a few of them to the mod staff

I personally think it is wonderfull and educational to have this place to talk over all the issues. Of course people are going to get pissy. People are going to get frustrated when others dont see things their way. There is nothing wrong with that it is human nature.

The world is in one hell of a place right now. Everyone is feeling the effects in one way or another. What I find amazing is that there is no way to hide the truth. Hitler once made the statement "keep the lie simple, say it over and over again, and they will believe it." That is how the govt has handled everything over the years. NOW, we have the internet, a wealth of information at our fingertips. We are well educated, and most of all, we are all literate.

I remember when I started learning the truth. I remember when I read first hand accounts on here coupled with local news stories and watched how it was twisted and turned soon after by the big medial. I WAS PISSED. I was even more frustrated after that point by those people who would beat their head agains the wall maintaining the viewpoint that what the news said was the TRUTH. Then slow and steady I watched them all go through the same thing I did. I watched as they read over and participated in discussions until they could no longer see the lies. Then I watched them get mad, and then frustrated with those whose eyes were still closed.

I think it is neat. When I see someone get pissy on the threads I look at the date they signed up on this site. 9 times out of 10 they signed up with in the past 6 months.

Have patience with them. Remember how it was for you in the begining. Give them a wealth of info they can sift through so that they can form their own opinions.

The one thing I respect about this site the most is that you can not just throw something out there. YOU HAVE TO BACK IT UP. I also respect having the opprotunity to see other sides. Too often we get tunnel vision. It helps being able to talk about it all. I have found errors in my way of thinking many times because of it. There are so many things you do not consider....cant consider until you hear a different side.

I love this place and all the heated arguments that go with it. I love to watch people get pissed off because they realize something is different than they were led to believe. I love to watch the entire cycle of having a persons eyes opened, and their minds comming out of the box.

Originally posted by X9ballX
I have a sugestion, add a few mods. take the best guys from this site and add a few of them to the mod staff

Not much point really IMO - there'd always be "gaps" and there'd always be members who start screaming and creating if something wasn't "fixed" to their satisfaction immediately.

There's alert buttons, and there's the complaint suggestion form - but people have to understand that sometimes things take a little time, especially when it comes to deleting a thread or warning a member.
These things aren't taken lightly, and due to the diversity in our mods, what one see's as crossing a line another might see as within the boundaries of acceptability.

Of course, outright T&C violations are pretty easy, but many times, a concensus needs to be reached.

As far as the anger goes, it's an easy trap to fall into, and I'd guess that pretty much every member has done it at one point or another, and to one extent or another.

What it really comes down to is the focus of the MSM on scare stories and tactics - scary stuff gets ratings, cute pussycats being rescued from trees just don't have the same impact.

So in the ratings wars, the various "news" channels are constantly trying to find bigger, badder stories to whip people into a frenzy - never has the the saying "no news is good news" been more ironically twisted to suit a corporate agenda - and make no mistake, the corporate agenda's are what we are dealing with here.

While people get all het up about one thing or another, the really important stuff is slipping quietly under the radar - and more to the point, it is and has been for some time, planned and executed that way.

I suppose it comes down to a single statement - don't let the (people of illegitimate birth) grind you down.



[edit on 17/8/2010 by budski]

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


I am not normally one to praise threads like this just because of who writes them but I must say that I have read your opening post and I agree with everything you have said.

The media is doing its job at the moment (which is pollute and distill the minds of its citizens) we (as a hu-man collective) need to step back and focus on what is most important and that is IMHO working together to find a solution in our communities to combat against the negativity that sweeps our planet at this moment in time.