9/11 even real pilots couldn't do it

The whole topic is seemingly going to be relegated to the conspiracy realm just like the JFK assassination despite all the evidence collected.

Each of the flights have glaring anomalies that defy explanation. For instance the "North of Citgo" eyewitnesses which completely contradict the official flight path recovered from the FDR. Why did the inexperienced "pilot" fly the plane into the side of the Pentagon just above the untouched lawn? Another impossible feat managed perfectly on 9/11.

Just watch building 7 collapse a few times and you should develop a bad case of cognitive dissonance. It appears "mission accomplished" for the perps. The American public is hypnotized beyond recovery.

Originally posted by BenIndaSun

So the planes in Pennsylvania and the Pentagon were not real either?

The people and video from the Penetagon who say the plane are what? Lying or they saw a hologram?

And the plane in Pennsylvania?

They just created a crash sight for some reason? A

nd so far I have seen nothing that tells me that guys with little to no training could not do it.

It seems that their many many places who can "prove" that "proof" is wrong. How do you pick and choose what part of theory you believe and how is any more valid then all the others including the official one.

[edit on 15-8-2010 by MrSpad]

It has been over a year since I did most of my answer-searching for the truth of the 9/11 incidents. I have forgotten some of the details, but 1 fact I remember is that there is no footage of a plane crashing into the Pentagon. Also, the FBI confiscated surveillance videos of nearby hotels and gas stations.

In Pennsylvania, here is an interesting witness account about Shanksville crash site.

How do I "pick and choose"? That's a challenge, I admit. My official belief is that I don't know what happened 9/11; which by default implies that I do not believe the official story, nor do I completely believe other theories. In assessing alleged facts, I generally believe ones that make more sense, which has thus far been predominately non-gov OS accounts.

Their is footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon and its very easy to find. Also witnesses saw planes at both the Pentagon and Shanksville. And that link you have seems to ignore all the pictures, wreckage and human remains recovered. None of this seems be hidden or secret information so how do you just ignore it and go with no planes? And for that matter why if this was all plot from within the Gov bother to use planes at all.

Would it have not been simpler to just blow up the World Trade Center with explosives, something I see claimed, and not bother with the huge tast of adding planes to the mixture? Terrorist have tried to blow up the WTC before so, would it not be even more simple and easly bought by the public to just make it a bombing and not add all the extra work of planes? In the world of black ops missions are kept as simple as possible with as few people involved as possible for maxium chance of success.

To pull off 911 in the way truthers suggest either thousands of people would have to be involved or fooled and in either case the odds of pulling something like that off and not getting caught would be unacceptable to the planners. If it was an inside job why not just go with a bombing of WTC and maybe a few other places for the same results, with far less people and planning involved?

[edit on 15-8-2010 by MrSpad]

Originally posted by Doctor G
Not even an expert can do it.

According to your OP, one-third of 'experts' can do it, at least on that simulator.

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I think that a mundane bombing of a building or four would not have had the required effect that a multi-plane hijacking followed by a suicide dive into thousands of unsuspecting people, did have.
How would ma and pa american feel the threat necessary for them to accept the patriot act, had they not envisioned having their flight hijacked for a suicide mission?
How could anyone convince them of the need to attack anyone, if it weren't for that particular anyone's ability to attack them at any given moment? (and so creatively, too!)

I think that the best part (of their plan) was that no one would believe anyone could be so convolutedly evil to concoct and perpetrate such a ridiculous ruse, therefore ensuring success.

Mission accomplished.

Originally posted by okbmd
reply to post by Sly1one

 

I have seen scores of posts where people find it totally incredulous that the passport was found while they conveniently overlook the hundreds of thousands of other paper products that were seen floating around and gathering in the streets that day .

Why do you guys not also find it incredible that all those other paper products were expelled from the towers and survived ?

I also recall reports of some of the personal effects of the passengers being found in the streets . Incredible , as well .

It was too damn convienient to help hold up the terrorist story you can't help but wonder. Yes there were tons of other papers that survived the WTC burning, here is an analogy that might describe why its so unbeliable:

If I were to take a million pennies and one dime toss them into a woodchipper then miraculously find the dime in the middle of the clean-up process....

That is effectively what happened finding this passport. Im just amazed that someone A) found it B) recognized it wasn't just part of the thousands of tons of other debris and trash lying around the site C) Kept it instead of throwing it away like the rest of the trash and finaly D) It just so happened to be one of the terrorists on the flight!!!! lol good lord.

I think everyone is forgetting about our ancient past. Our ancestors worshiped beings that did favors for them. The Egyptians, Hebrews, Babylonians and Mayans all had some sort of alien help, or you could just call it supernatural help. These aliens are still with us and they are choosing sides of our wars. I believe one sort helped Hitler and another sort helped the hijackers of 9/11.

One sign that Hitler sparked the interest of alien beings is seen with the Foo Fighter phenomena. The balls of light that chased the Allied and Nazi aircraft. The clue that 9/11 was helped by these alien forces is the strange coincidence of the artwork of the 20 dollar bill, which when folded like a paper plane makes the 9/11 scene.

These alien forces can make people look the other way, guide ships, and kill leaders that oppose the wishes of these aliens. This world is headed for some master plan. Sadly people die due to its execution.

could the windows of the wtc buildings be used as giant hologram mirrors?

if not then i think it's unreasonable to say that the planes did not hit the buildings.

many people saw the planes impact (at least the second one), they are videotaped by many third party observers as well.

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Why are these highly advanced aliens so interested in humanity as to direct it's society? If I were traveling the universe and saw an alien civilized planet I'd be interested in directly mining it or in studying the aliens. I could not imagine being interested in being the boss of their primitive society as a more advanced species than them.

It'd be like choosing to stop doing what you were doing today to be the leader of cave men.

Originally posted by sremmos
could the windows of the wtc buildings be used as giant hologram mirrors?

if not then i think it's unreasonable to say that the planes did not hit the buildings.

many people saw the planes impact (at least the second one), they are videotaped by many third party observers as well.

I don't mean to pick on anyone in particular, sremmos, but why does everyone assume the groung level videos to be third-person?

Wouldn't you employ a ground team on an operation like this?

... just sayin'.

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Because the rest of the galaxy is not populated. They are sticking around because it's entertainment for them. The galaxy is filled with boring uninhabited planets. You see one gas giant you've seen them all. The earth is one giant reality show and no one is canceling it.

Originally posted by sremmos
reply to post by lostinspace

 

Why are these highly advanced aliens so interested in humanity as to direct it's society? If I were traveling the universe and saw an alien civilized planet I'd be interested in directly mining it or in studying the aliens. I could not imagine being interested in being the boss of their primitive society as a more advanced species than them.

It'd be like choosing to stop doing what you were doing today to be the leader of cave men.

If they were advance enough to travel here without problem then it would be more like being the leader of ants.

Originally posted by MrSpad

Originally posted by MrWendal
Well that is what we call speculation.... people will always come up with ideas and theories. What you fail to realize... and fail very well at.... is that no one has to prove how it was done, just that the probability that 3 out of 4 planes hit their targets is very much improbable.

Fact: NORAD had a very large amount of money provided by the Government for their budget in order to function on the 9/11

Fact: NORAD failed.

Fact: No one was held accountable

Now why do you think that is? Forest Gump is smart enough to see that something is amiss.... now don't you think it is time to find out once and for all what happened?

I am confused about what NORAD has to do with this? Are you saying aircraft or missles came into US air space and did the attacks and that NORAD missed it? Or do you think that NORAD should be paying less attention to monitering our airspace against foriegn threats and instead should have been monitering civilian air traffic?

What I am saying is that maybe you should look a little more into what the job of NORAD actually is. You can not fly a plane off course in US airspace without NORAD being notified and fighter jets intercepting the aircraft that flew off course. That does not happen in US airspace. A perfect example of this is the death of Payne Stewart, a professional Golfer. Payne Stewart's plane left Orlando, FL at 9:19am and was supposed to go to Texas. The FAA claimed that they lost contact with the plane at 9:44am. According to a later report put out by the NTSB they claim that controllers actually lost contact with the plane at 9:33am and that controllers tried for 4 1/2 minutes unsuccessfully to make contact. NOARD's Southeast Air Defense Sector was then notified at 9:55am and at 10:08am two F-16's from Tyndall Air Force Base, Florida were sent to intercept the aircraft. This happened in 1999.

Now if you take the NTSB's earlier time of 9:33am, that means F-16's were sent to intercept this learjet after 35 minutes of having no contact. So how do 4 commercial jets fly around US airspace for over an hour and not a single one is intercepted? That is a HUGE failure on the part of NORAD, and sorry but Osama Bin Laden could not make that happen.

reply to post by Mythic Chris


I don't see ants producing theatrical movies, aircraft carriers and space vehicles. We are probably very intersting to watch or even to bet on. The ones that come here don't have anything else better to do. They're likely advanced but see this place as a game, possibly Chess or Risk.

I agree with whoever said that they were not normal passenger planes.Because it isn't possible for the soft aluminum nose cone to slam into a steel and concrete building and come out the other side undamaged.

Like it shows here.You can clearly see the "plane" come out the other side of the tower.
www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by XxiTzYoMasterxX
I agree with whoever said that they were not normal passenger planes.Because it isn't possible for the soft aluminum nose cone to slam into a steel and concrete building and come out the other side undamaged.

Like it shows here.You can clearly see the "plane" come out the other side of the tower.
www.youtube.com...

So you're a professional on this topic, i take it?

You've studied it and figured out all the possibilities?

Yeah, i didn't think so.

When i was little, here in Illinois, i saw the after math of a Tornado at a farm house owned by one of my cousins.

It put a piece of straw into a tree trunk. No, it didnt go all the way through, but it DID penetrate it a good deal.

What you're leaving out while you lie is the velocity and penetrating power of a very large object moving at very fast speeds.

So much for truther facts.

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I love how so many "truthers" persist on being "scientific", but only when it agrees with their preconceived facts. I don't really claim to know anything about 9/11, but - to be quite honest - the OS sure as hell sounds a lot more plausible than the bunk that "truthers" put out there. "It was cruise missiles disguised to look like planes!" "No, it was holograms!" "No, it was modified alien ships from Area 51!"

I have never, never seen anything that comes even remotely close to a proper, complete, scientific analysis of the events of 9/11 made by a so-called "truther". So much of their arguments end up being, "Thing XYZ happened on 9/11, here's a video. Doesn't that seem impossible to you?" or "Here's a random person whose area of expertise is vaguely tangential to what they're talking about saying thing DEF is impossible!" I might be more inclined to take them seriously if someone with a serious scientific background approached 9/11 from a completely objective point of view, without any preconceived notions about what happened, and examined all of the evidence that is available to us to try and come up with a complete picture of the events. Until I see something more than just, "this part of the OS seems illogical to Dr. John D. Whatsisface PhD English, so therefore the entire story is 100% wrong and a lie and my idea that I am merely conjecturing about and have no evidence for is consequently true," I'm not going to buy an ounce of it.

Originally posted by cutzE12
Hi! My first ever post. Woo! Go Me!
I think what's being suggested here, is that, seeing as modern aircraft basically fly themselves, these planes must have been pre programmed to fly into the towers.

Excellent idea. This is the best alternative theory I have yet heard. The Arab hijackers were Hijacked themselves!!!! Its possible that the Arab hijackers attempted to help the pilots regain control of the aircraft. No I dont believe it.

We are hoping your next post is as good.

After reading this thread in its entirety I almost feel compelled to invent my own version of events.

Seems like a lot of people have.

This surely is the problem. To be honest, I don't care if it was a plane, 4 planes, 4 holograms, or Cheech and Chong in an edit suite. It has been made to be divisive, it is a treatise of divide and conquer in technicolor.

And it is working.

reply to post by MrWendal

Now if you take the NTSB's earlier time of 9:33am, that means F-16's were sent to intercept this learjet after 35 minutes of having no contact. So how do 4 commercial jets fly around US airspace for over an hour and not a single one is intercepted? That is a HUGE failure on the part of NORAD, and sorry but Osama Bin Laden could not make that happen.

It was not 35 minutes it was 1 HR 35 minutes before the F16 intercepted
because of different time zones!

You are familar with concept of a time zone? The Lear took off in EASTERN time zone, contact was lost in CENTRAL time zone 1 hour
earlier

From NTSB report

Notice referemces for EDT (thats Eastern Daylight Time) and CDT (Central
Daylight Time)

"At 0933:38 EDT (6 minutes and 20 seconds after N47BA acknowledged the previous clearance), the controller instructed N47BA to change radio frequencies and contact another Jacksonville ARTCC controller. The controller received no response from N47BA. The controller called the flight five more times over the next 4 1/2 minutes but received no response.

About 0952 CDT,7 a USAF F-16 test pilot from the 40th Flight Test Squadron at Eglin Air Force Base (AFB), Florida, was vectored to within 8 nm of N47BA. About 0954 CDT, at a range of 2,000 feet from the accident airplane and an altitude of about 46,400 feet, the test pilot made two radio calls to N47BA but did not receive a response".
www.ntsb.gov...

Never fails that some idiotic truthrer falls for this........

All the technical babble aside, shouldn't someone be asking why some of the hijackers were living on military bases?

If the events of September 11 were not carried out by the Neocon/Israeli factions, the result is the same, as if they had. They've gotten everything they ever wanted from it.