i cant even speak..after watching this

reply to post by keepureye2thesky


Perhaps some of you will come to appreciate what our Police Officers are up against each and every day they go out on patrol....some don't come back either.

I don't think any of us are in any position to be judging.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by keepureye2thesky

 

Perhaps some of you will come to appreciate what our Police Officers are up against each and every day they go out on patrol....some don't come back either.

I don't think any of us are in any position to be judging.

Who's judging?! I'm just trying to open a discussion here. That's what this board
is for. I would enjoy some clarification of some statements, that's all.

reply to post by keepureye2thesky


A couple of you were judging, go back and read carefully your posts. You were out of line, way out of line. A brave & couragous man on this thread deserves a decent apology.

Never enter the army.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by keepureye2thesky

 

A couple of you were judging, go back and read carefully your posts. You were out of line, way out of line. A brave & couragous man on this thread deserves a decent apology.

A couple of you?!?!?! ME?!?! Nothing I said was out of line. I read my post
carefully before I posted. Are you sure you you are addressing the right person?
Just for the record I'm not the guy who suggested shooting someone in the
face, I was the one who asked for clarification of statements. Nothing wrong
with that, nothing disrespectful about it.

reply to post by cyberjedi


My own son wants to join the airforce.....I'm cringing already!

Interesting Thread in "WAR". Stick to facts!

Just wanna give some of you infos that are important:

The Taliban and USA: Foreign powers, including the United States, briefly supported the Taliban, hoping it would restore order in the war-ravaged country. For example, it made no comment when the Taliban captured Herat in 1995 and expelled thousands of girls from schools.[108] These hopes faded as the Taliban began killing unarmed civilians, targeting ethnic groups (primarily Hazaras) and restricting the rights of women.[64] In late 1997, American Secretary of State Madeleine Albright began to distance the U.S. from the Taliban. The next year the American-based oil company Unocal, withdrew from negotiations on pipeline construction from Central Asia.

and...


There are many claims that the CIA directly supported the Taliban or Al Qaeda. In the early 1980s, the CIA and the ISI (Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency) provided arms and money and the ISI helped gather radical Muslims from around the world to fight against the Soviet invaders.[119] Osama Bin Laden was one of the key players in organizing training camps for the foreign Muslim volunteers. "By 1987, 65,000 tons of U.S.-made weapons and ammunition a year were entering the war."[120] FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, who was fired from the CIA for disclosing sensitive information, claims that the U.S. was on intimate terms with the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, using them to further U.S. goals in Central Asia.[121] Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher is quoted as saying, "The Taliban was a construct of the CIA and was armed by the CIA... The Clinton administration, along with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, created the Taliban."

Source: en.wikipedia.org...

And please read some basics about Saddam here folks: en.wikipedia.org...

Just remember what makes "real friends" in politics:

reply to post by keepureye2thesky


I did'nt mean to point fingers at YOU, my apologies. It was a couple of members here that just went in for the kill and just made complete fools of themselves. This is a senstive issue for some, sometimes it's just best to leave things alone.

I hate Wikileaks. They should be permantly taken off the web.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by keepureye2thesky

 

I did'nt mean to point fingers at YOU, my apologies. It was a couple of members here that just went in for the kill and just made complete fools of themselves. This is a senstive issue for some, sometimes it's just best to leave things alone.

I hate Wikileaks. They should be permantly taken off the web.

No worries, and my apologies for being abrasive back.
I'm just thankful I have the freedom to disagree.

An interesting observation is that we don't get many (if any to my knowledge) war veterans in the UK being as vocal as this. Sure, they raise questions over the validity of conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan, but no one takes to the stage like this. For all that we think about media censorship, I am always amazed and pleased to see veterans of war being given opportunity to speak their mind. In the beginning they were happy to risk their lives for their country and now their belief sets are radically changed.

Originally posted by Reign02

Originally posted by vanhippi
reply to post by Eldix

 

I'm not against soldiers, and I'm not disrespecting them, but I would like to know what you think you're fighting for now, because it's no longer for American lives...

Really we will see about that because that is ALL we are fighting for. We are stopping them from reaching US soil by taking them down in their own region.

Really? They can't find America because we have soldiers in the Middle East? That would seem to indicate that we are using our own troops as target practice for them. Easier to shoot an armed U.S. trooper in the street then come here to kill civilians?

We really need to reverse the roles here and understand that we are dealing with human beings. As different as cultural and religious beliefs may be, ultimately all of us....including insurgent, terrorist, or whatever label we apply...want the same thing. Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs

There are psychopaths among all of us everywhere. We battle them daily in the U.S. and too often we battle another society's also in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Some of them we send to fight against others. In any armed conflict, everyone is fighting for a "cause", justifiable or not. It is hammered into them until they believe it, whether it is a young Muslim that sees and then seeks death everywhere or a U.S. soldier that believes they are doing something to help his countrymen remain free and safe. By dying.

Perhaps one day rational minds will overcome all of this and actually seek peace instead of creating chaos in the name of it. Just not in our lifetime, I fear. Instead we will just move along and justify it all with slogans, platitudes, myths, fear-mongering, propaganda, and indifference.

I've read about as much of THIS BULL#. 1st off I AM RETIRED US MILITARY, I was the 18/19 year old "Running Thru The Jungle" in the RVN.
www.youtube.com...
Tours in Iraq, Afghanistan, and countless other "censored" assignments. I've smelled "DEATH" up CLOSE many times.

Let me ASK Reign02 or whatever his name is.

WHEN DID FIRING A M230 30MM CHAIN-GUN AT INDIVIDUALS BECOME ROE.

If YOU are WHO you say you ARE. Then YOU HAVE TO KNOW. I've seen UP CLOSE what this weapon can do to an enemy armored personal carrier and it';s occupants.

I'm gonna explain SO those noncombatants get the big picture. While deployed in Iraq. Our squadron was deployed to support a firefight NE of Baghdad. The Scout Aeros did their thing, brought in the Apaches and from about 1500 to 2000 yards out the Apaches opened up with their Chain-guns on several Iraqi APCs (Armored Personal Carriers).

OK, the fight is over and this is where I come In, (Command & Control) sends us in for a BC, (body count). After arriving on site. I IMMEDIATELY noticed these BIG ASS HOLEs bored right through the 6/8'' of STEEL Armored plating of the Armored Carriers.

I looked through one of the MANY holes in the APC. And I COULD NOT believe my eyes. THE body's were not body's, it looked like someone had thrown raw meat ALL over the inside. Legs,Arms,Heads,torsos. I COULD NOT PULL A BODY COUNT. And THAT DAY is and will be forever etched in my mind. Yes "THAT SMELL OF DEATH", You MUST KNOW IT.

So TELL ME, what happened TO THE GENEVA CONVENTION?

The Only thing I READ by Reign02 that made any since. WAS TERRORISM WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED or something like that.,

You hit the proverbial nail right on the head. Terrorism HAS and WILL be around AS LONG as mankind is.

On ANOTHER NOTE: Would YOU LIKE for me to explain, HOW YOU were "BRAINWASHED" into the Terrorism mode. OK, hold on to your hat.

In 1989 a VERY significant event occurred, "THE COLD WAR" ended. The SOVIET UNION was NO LONGER a major threat.
So,,,,"Now What",,,,How were they going to feed their war machines, and convince the world of their being NEEDED, or justified.

Terrorism,terrorism,terrorism,terrorism,Terrorists,Terrorists,Terrorists,,,ONLYTHING YOU SEEN ON TV and MSM for the next two years out of EVERY political leaders mouth.

OK, now YOU have to put the 2+2 together. It's REALLY not hard. Are you that young or naive that you

reply to post by LarryLove


I have a relative that was in the Police Force 32 years, saw alot more than the average person out on the street. In those days there were no psychologists, no psychiatrists, no counsellors, no support network. Today it's different. Why can't our military have that same support system in place? Our troops ARE human beings and the support should be there when needed, not only for the sake of the troops but also their families. These men have to live with what they see each and every day of their lives, that in itself is a tough call.

And of course, as the OP mentioned, the war supporters still blindly speak of excuses for their disgusting actions. I may not be an American, but my country has troops in Afgan, and it makes me sick just thinking of it.

I am also so SICK of hearing, these people are over there fighting for your freedom. If anyone really thinks they are fighting for MY freedom, get the F*** over your self and your patriotic bull#. It does not take a genius to figure out we are no where near the words "free".

The day I see Taliban walking around my streets, you are damn right I will be out there to hunt these so called "terrorist's". Then I will FIGHT for my SELF!
But again and again, the the supporters will just call me a terrorist.
Like I said, I will fight for my self, when I see a real cause.
It's unfortunate how many men join the forces in hopes that they could do good, only to see cases such as this.

I'm sick of divide, of people who support and oppose, I mean if these people CARE SOOOO MUCH, then why don't all these people living here go live there, IF THEY CARE SOOOO MUCH ABOUT these middle eastern countries. It's easy for us to say lets take those bastards to war, but this is not the 15th century. No, we are much farther than that. Yet we are still as primitive for our taste for blood seems like it will never die.

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THANK YOU~THANK YOU~THANK YOU. I was wondering WHEN someone was taking care of his smart mouth.

And this is one of your TAC forward. Lolololololololol

This IS WHAT represents you and I?

reply to post by Bazarocka


I wanna thank you for what you did for your country. I mean, I could never do something like that myself, and I'm never gonna pretend to know what it was like to go through things like that.

but because earlier the other two veterans didn't answer my question, I'll ask you because you seem much more knowledglable and open too questions.
I asked earlier; Do you believe there is still a significant reason to be in Iraq & Afghanistan, or do you believe we should have left, especially after we found no WMDs and after the execution of Saddam Hussein etc.

I don't wanna offend or anything, but I would like to know what a veteran who fought in these wars before thinks.

reply to post by tribaltrip


Perhaps one day you will come to learn how our Intelligence organisations work. It starts with our troops and other operatives in these hot bed areas and the intelligence gathering they find that is then passed on to organisations like the CIA, FBI, Scotland Yard and Interpol. This is one of many ways how our homebased intelligence agencies find sleeper cells and terrorist support networks in our own countries - and yes - these terrorists networks are in every country of the world and hardly a week goes by without one or more of them are picked up from off our streets. Every day I hear of terrorist is nabbed, I get to sleep alittle better knowing it's another day I'm safer.

I think you get my drift.

reply to post by vanhippi


Specify, in your mind, exactly what WMD are?

Originally posted by vanhippi
reply to post by Bazarocka

 

I wanna thank you for what you did for your country. I mean, I could never do something like that myself, and I'm never gonna pretend to know what it was like to go through things like that.

but because earlier the other two veterans didn't answer my question, I'll ask you because you seem much more knowledglable and open too questions.
I asked earlier; Do you believe there is still a significant reason to be in Iraq & Afghanistan, or do you believe we should have left, especially after we found no WMDs and after the execution of Saddam Hussein etc.

I don't wanna offend or anything, but I would like to know what a veteran who fought in these wars before thinks.

All of US older veterans are sitting back scratching our heads. WE KNOW we should have never been over their in the 1st place.
Its a CORPORATE war and every one of us knows it. It's not about money anymore. "ITS GREED"

reply to post by bluemirage5


WMD - Weapon of Mass Destruction. Either chemical, Nuclear and I think it's biological as well.
America believed Iraq was in possession of WMDs, but later found that they stopped producing them since 1991. Thats was one of the reasons we invaded Iraq, so after they found they had none and were producing none, I believe that another reason to leave Iraq.

Is that what you were asking? Sorry if I got your question wrong or something, but that's what I believe a WMD is, which is what I understand is what you're asking.