Was Hitler our last savior?

Originally posted by Goathief
This thread contains everything that is wrong with ATS at present.

Damn Nazis should go back to Stormfront, your wolf in sheep's clothing act is not fooling many.

You know it.
What can you do though?

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
Granted the different colors still can’t get along

I don't believe that at all. Most people have preconceived racial notions and thus never even try. To be honest it's not that astounding to deal with someone of another race. I've dated the spectrum.

I'm also from West Virginia and I have a rainbow of family there that get along just fine. More than fine, sometimes as I have a helluva time when I go back.

I think that is the story most believe and thus create.

We are all in the same mess, and therefore not as different as the elites want us to believe in order to distract us.

- Lee

Well first of all... Hitler would have never been able to conquer all the world by himself.

Secondly, even if he would have been able to control all the world, it would have indeed been a world without war- but also a world without freedom.

Freedom is the cause a lot of death, but oppression of freedom is what causes these.

You would never be able to freely express yourself, your views, or your morals if they even differed slightly from Hitler's sick and twisted views.

We would not be able to fight and kill each other- only because we would all be chained up.

Firstly, many kids in the UK think that Adolf Hitler IS Chancellor of Germany - this certainly says something about education in the UK - recently exemplified when our own Prime Minister stated that the UK was a minor partner in the 2nd War War to the USA. This in itself was a total affront to all UK persons that were killed prior to the US entering the War - and yes it was even worse in the 1st World War.

Secondly - if you really think that Adolf Hitler was the last Saviour then you are deluded. The major prophets/saviours of the World are Jesus Christ and Mohammed but even their work has been distorted by humans making interpretations of what they thought these people said/meant. Equally, people have been indoctrinated using Christianity and Islam as a tool by the elite to brainwash, scare and subjugate the masses.

With regard to Adolf Hitler he should be considered alongside Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, Mussolini, Horohito, Richard the Lion Heart, Blair, Bush, Netanyahu el al. They use(d) force, terror, torture, conditioning, murder, lies, propaganda and prey on all the frailties of human nature. To my knowledge these are not the teachings of J or M.

In short Hitler is no Flash Gordon and can be considered at best as a false prophet.

Sorry to disagree.

reply to post by ypperst


We would have probably been living in a totalitarian dictatorship. A lot of people would be killed off including people with disabilities, mental issues, different races or religions, possibly eventually hair or eye colors. That is not very humane, and I will never support it.

On another note, I have been worried that once atheists are able to get rid of religion by stating that it was the cause of wars and death, then they would forget what they said and go the Hitler route and kill off a bunch of weaker people for the "betterment" of makind. Note all of the completely ill logic in that on so many different levels.

But still, after Hitler... probably still a totalitarian dictatorship ruled by fear of death. I would not be proud to be a part of this planet, we would probably be hated and feared by the more peace-loving and freedom-loving races if they existed.

And eventually, the evil reign would end as people began to question and feel sick about what was going on.

[edit on 14-8-2010 by darkbake]

Tell me you're joking, OP.

Hitler was a dick, he was a racist, a sexist, a bigot, an anti-semite. He kept people down with severe force, he lied, he spewed propaganda and he took advantage of the desperation of the German people. He believed the German race was one of 'supermen'. He was insane. His economic recovery was built on preparing for war. He could not even be held accountable by the German people.

fact of holocaust was ..
that really NO-ONE cared about it and let it happen...after the war they washed there hands..telling us they diddend know....
thruth is that the US only was hunting for the german tech's...

it was IMO an criminal act of sending the jewisch refurgy's back to the kamps in germany.. while they were waiting in the US ports for sanctury...
that fact and moore made a kind of hitler of the allie's....

[edit on 14-8-2010 by ressiv]

*edit - spelling

[edit on 8/14/10 by GENERAL EYES]

reply to post by GENERAL EYES

As a buddhist I concur you save yourself there is no messiah,guru or God that will do it for you,will I achieve salvation probably not but at least I know there is nothing beyond your own brain and efforts.

YES a third party CAN save us!
why do they always tell us that we have to save our selfs?
obama tells you to start saving money,while he goes on vacations.
so you should help each other when your economy is falling!
and if you help each other the whole america is going to be better?
no,unemployment and misery wil still rise because there are people responsible for the whole country,you cant only help yourself,your future also lies in the hands of other people too!
hitler had the guts to get things done,even if he was racist and evil.

but the real problem i want to talk about is this,stop saying that we have to help our selfs! how do i help my self when there are no jobs! when i live in hell?
sure i can do alot when i want but in the end everybody has a limit,when they need help. so stop blaming the people and start blaming the people in CHARGE

reply to post by Stillalive


You cannot save someone from themself. And that is what you are expecting some third party to do when you expect what you expect. To save you from yourself. Try it sometime and learn a little something. I know I learned the hard way. Thus why your assertion is ludicris.

[edit on 14-8-2010 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

You got a new job.
A co worker comes over and says it is important to say
HELP
before you screw something up.
When in doubt better check with all the bosses,
in writing for approval is best in the corporate world.
People have the tools to work through the education the
Illuminati grants on them.
Yet the needs change.
People have the wrong tools and any way for help goes.
So Hitler must of helped someone.
Mostly a war machine for his backers to plunder and then
to build up.
Just like 911, destroy WTC and build it up again.
Who had the money to do that.

Actually, on "pure race" theory.. studies have shown that with "mixing" people (different gene pools etc.) we get better results. It can be said that a lot of different ethnicities have their advantages.

So, to my eyes, the whole utopia of something called a "pure race" is created by some inbred mind. It's complete pseudoscience, and rhymes with other insanities "invented" by the nazi loonies.

reply to post by ypperst


I know what you're saying. But what you're forgetting is that is exactly the way things have always been. Every race on Earth has one time or another been close to extinction, put to slavery or segregated to an extrema. those that went over the edge are not here, history books of those who fell them have erased their pasts. Sad? Yes, in every imaginable sense of the word. Genocides have happened, are happening and will continue to happen. In some cases worse than the holocaust.

It's historically known the amount of power the Jewish people have in the world, over the banks and such. I find it disheartening knowing that of all the worlds travesties the holocaust is the only one to receive such unprecedented reparations .

And I present you with this information my friend to tell you that Hitler was a madman. And no different than any other idealist who sought to rid the world of a specific type of people to fulfill those ideals. The only problem, was he messed with the Jews. Which has been one the biggest party-fouls of all time.

Washington massacred the native Americans. Is America better off for it? Hardly. Unless you're filthy rich. Emphasis on filthy, because blood makes money dirty. Very very dirty.

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Originally posted by GENERAL EYES
In this day and age it still mystifies me that there are those among us who still think that any third party can "save" them.

If there is to be a Savior in one's life, it should be oneself...otherwise the "salvation" aquired is nothing more than a hollow shell of an event.

..and that's all I have to say about that.

True, although some people need to be "guided" at times by those they admire and respect to head in the right direction. It can really make the difference between action and inaction when you reach out and show that you care and are there for somebody.

Originally posted by IandEye
also- why do you say "last" savior?

NAZIS=NASA

see how close NAZI is to
"Narzissmus"(germ.)= narcissism (eng.)
that surely hasn't stopped and has only become the accepted social norm. if you aint out for yourself, well you can't be trusted.......oh what a country!

that reminds me....

the Hebrew word for "prince" is "nasi"

from Strong's:

H5387
נשׂא נשׂיא
nâśı̂y' nâśi'
naw-see', naw-see'
From H5375; properly an exalted one, that is, a king or sheik; also a rising mist: - captain, chief, cloud, governor, prince, ruler, vapour.

Hitlers intentions were good in his mind and view but that is what the road to hell is paved on, good intentions.

Hitler hated ALL jews which was his downfall.

Hitler would have been successful if he had approached the eugenics idea from a less aggressive approach.

The round em up and gas them was highly inefficient as it wouldn't guarantee the eradication of the unwanted genes. Why? Well because fallible human beings were behind the sorting process. Also the approach was too high profile to be carried off without interference.

The more efficient and successful approach would have been to use "natural law" and "survival of the fittest" to his advantage. Nature, first of all is not bias to any race, religion, idea, thought, ancestry and cares not who you are but what you are made of. Nature is designed to procreate the strong and abandon the weak.

He should have made attacks on medicine and technology and health care philosophies. More passive aggressive attacks and less obvious brunt force attacks. Changing the way modern medicine is utilized and the philosophies behind how and when it is used and when/how its available would have been a more efficient successful approach to eugenics.

Nature, and the survival of the fittest has been largely abandoned by society as a fact of life due to modern medicine and the interference of the natural process that weeds bad genes out.

When you can have a multitude of genetic problems that come in the form of debilitating diseases perpetuated via. miraculous modern medicine then you will eventually have a race that is suffering to survive and will further need the interference of modern medicine as a crutch. Dependence.

What I am saying may sound cold and cruel but if the natural laws were followed and not rerouted or made obsolete by our interference the end result would be a much more independent free species capable of weathering far more hardships than we do currently today.

The evolution of the species will not reach its next height until it is capable of spending more of its time/energy on enlightenment, understanding, than how to survive its ailments, conditions.

Currently were de-evolving as we need more and more medical intervention causing us to spend more and more time/energy/effort on simply staying alive long enough to learn anything of value.

Hissler/Hittler is/was a psychopath who mass murdered for power. But theres darker secrets, he was being funded by banksters and other corporations funding both sides of the WW eras. He was being used, designed, self brainwashed. While the rich partied, the struggling people fought and died in mass. I personally visited caen beaches in france, I saw the graves, I smelled the sulfer in the air, and saw the anchored american boats out in the harbor.

Hitler was a Fu**head. His scientists were brilliant.

You should go back further in history .

If Napoleon would have won the war, after escaping Elba, WW2 would have never taken place, neither WW1 , and certain powerful and influential people today, and throughout the history, would have only been a bit above the working class and the world would have been a better place.

Originally posted by queenannie38


that reminds me....

the Hebrew word for "prince" is "nasi"

from Strong's:

H5387
נשׂא נשׂיא
nâśı̂y' nâśi'
naw-see', naw-see'
From H5375; properly an exalted one, that is, a king or sheik; also a rising mist: - captain, chief, cloud, governor, prince, ruler, vapour.

Does it matter that this term was not used by the Nazis themselves? Does it matter that "Nazi" was a perjorative term used and coined by the opposition to Hitler and the Austrian Nazis?

The term Nazi derives from the first two syllables of Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party, NSDAP).[21] Members of the Nazi Party identified themselves as Nationalsozialisten (National Socialists), rarely as Nazis. The German term Nazi parallels the analogous political term Sozi, an abbreviation for a member of the Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands (Social Democratic Party of Germany).[22][23] In 1933, when Adolf Hitler assumed power of the German government, usage of the term Nazi diminished in Germany, although Austrian anti-Nazis used it as an insult.[23]

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