"We Muslims know the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation"

reply to post by explosivo

Originally posted by explosivo
By the way, isn't it nicer to have a discussion revolving un-offensive opinions and ideas without anyone comparing anything to Nazi Germany?

For crying out loud, PLEASE stop doing that in order to keep these discussions clean.

Thank you. They only started this nonsense after sassy showed up in her halloween dress. They obviously lack the one thing that may well be our saving grace.......A sense of humor.

Comparing dissent on this issue to what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany is their way of rubbing the Jewish peoples, (pardon my expression, please), big noses in it.

It is disgraceful and more than highly insulting to us all. To insinuate that we are like Nazi's and to bring Jews into this debate in this fashion is typical of their hatred.

I'm sorry I brought this up, I do not want to provide fodder so they can continue along these lines, but I am sure they will.

Peace.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
How far is far enough away?

ANYWHERE which is NOT around the WTC vincinity. What part of that did you not get?

As far as I'm concerned, because it is "land of the free" and all, people who will complain at the construction of a mosque or a community center (whatever you may call it) due to simply disliking Islam, are to be ignored!

People who complain at mosques around WTC should not be ignored since the whole idea is OFFENSIVE, rightly so due to 9/11 disaster, especially if you're going to promote the idea that Islam is a tolerant religion!

How hard can it be?

Insisting on building the mosque over there is not being tolerant, thoughtful or peacful, it is downright being uncaring for people's feelings and it DOES NOT matter if these feelings are morally unjustified in anyone's opinion as this disaster DID happen, lots of people died, and people DO NOT want to see a mosque over there.

I'm trying to keep this as simple as possible for you people to understand what I mean. Please try to understand I'm thinking this over in the most ballanced way there is and have a minimal understanding for other people's opinions.



If I was a Muslim, I would not want to see a synagouge near beirut's bombed parts that will try to change my mind about Judaism.
If I was a Jew, I would not want to see a national socialist HQ near a holocaust museum that will try to change my mind about National Socialism.
If I was a christian, I would not like to see a mosque near WTC that will try to change my mind about Islam.

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The better question is what part did you not get. Did you see that list of mosque protests? How far is far enough away again?

Adios, peeps.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by explosivo

 

The better question is what part did you not get. Did you see that list of mosque protests? How far is far enough away again?

Adios, peeps.

Ugh.
What part of "people who will complain at the construction of a mosque or a community center (whatever you may call it) due to simply disliking Islam, are to be ignored" did you not understand?


Lol, forget it. I guess that as much as I'll try keeping this simple, you'll get confused.

Just answer my simple, original question - why is it so wrong to move the project away? Will muslims feel defeated? Will they lose their pride?
Isn't the original idea of this really is to let the American public understand Islam alittle better?

Side-note: I'm beginning to understand where the whole logic of "I'm-going-to-call-the-USA-government-a-bunch-of-Nazis-then-call-other-people-trolls" is coming from.
..Starting to regret ever taking part of this pathetic debate.

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Originally posted by explosivo
Just answer my simple, original question - why is it so wrong to move the project away?

I'll answer your question with one. What is so wrong with letting them build where the permits have already said they can?

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by explosivo
Just answer my simple, original question - why is it so wrong to move the project away?

I'll answer your question with one. What is so wrong with letting them build where the permits have already said they can?

I don't know what is more pathetic, relying on "permits", or answering a question with a question.
The "permits" =\= the public, who is clearly the majority, who strongly oppose this project.

Putting it simply - It is wrong because the majority of New Yorkers, after 9/11 disaster, still isn't ready for something such as this to be built that near the WTC area.
The public says something like "Hey man, I'm still touchy on that 9/11 issue, please don't put up a mosque in here - do it elsewhere if you must".

And from the other side of the fence, you have people answering questions with questions while ignoring the issue of simply moving away this project. Almost as if they don't even know why this has to be built near WTC themselves.
It goes something like "Uhhh... Err... no.. Why? Umm.. The Imam has a mosque half a mile away anyway! Now answer my question.."


I have answered you in most simplicity, please do so aswell. Not with a question, but with an answer:
Why is it so wrong to move this mosque to a different location?

Bonus question: Don't you think it will solve everything if they be the thoughtful, tolerant people they claim to be and move it?





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Easy. Most NY'ers don't have a problem with this. It's just the media whipping up hits on a national level to manipulate the populous that doesn't live there. Why not trust a NYer to deal with NY issues?

Originally posted by intrepid
Easy. Most NY'ers don't have a problem with this.

Wrong. Most NY'ers obviously are too busy to go out and protest, but they ar surely having some very big problems with this. Specially the relatives of people who died in the attack.

This is not even an answer. This is a very childish way to avoid answering something you cannot. "The media is making this big.. this really isn't..".

ABSURD.

Try to google this subject and count how many online forums of all kinds have threads about this subject. Try going in some and look for people's opinions yourself, then tell me this is all a media hype.


You people go from nazi germany, to psy-ops, to uncontrollable media hype WAY too fast, yet you can't even answer a simple question as "why is it so wrong to move the project to a less sensitive area".

Don't tell me it's impossible. There are lots of mosques around the US, and in NY, and have been for a very long time. Moving this away can be very easy, I just need you folks to tell me why it is so WRONG - not why you think it is not POSSIBLE or why SHOULDN'T it be moved.

Jesus christ!

By the way - www.mediaite.com...
LOL this guy is a genius. Trolling the trolls.

[edit on 12-8-2010 by explosivo]

Originally posted by explosivo
Why is it so wrong to move this mosque to a different location?

I know I sound like a broken record on this, and I promise I won't answer your question again since it seems my answer isn't what you want to hear, but:

It is wrong because this mosque has been in the neighborhood of the WTC site for 27 years and needs new space in that neighborhood since they have outgrown their current space.

It is wrong because the idea of the community center is to provide a community center and center for interfaith communications in the community where the imam has been active for over 27 years.

It is wrong because the local community supports the mosque; the same polls that show that most New Yorkers are against the mosque also show that more people in Manhattan support it than oppose it. I haven't seen any polls specifically measuring what percent of Tribeca residents support it, but I would lay money that it's even higher than the rest of Manhattan.

Frankly, I think most New Yorkers in general wouldn't care if the NYPost and NYDailyNews weren't whipping them into a frenzy with sensationalist headlines, misleading labels, and basic misinformation.

Originally posted by explosivo

Originally posted by intrepid
Easy. Most NY'ers don't have a problem with this.

Wrong. Most NY'ers obviously are too busy to go out and protest, but they ar surely having some very big problems with this.

Wow. Why don't you run against Bloomberg in the next election as you seem to have a pulse on the NYer's way of life? Good luck.

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by sweetliberty

 

If they have just as much right to be here then why the hell is everyone complaining about the damn mosque? Obviously to a lot of people around here they don't have the right to be here. They don't have right to build places of worship where they see fit.

Since you don't see this act as a provocation I'm betting that Muslims could wear tee shirts with an image of the exploding WTC towers and you also would not find that a provocation. The area around the former WTC towers demands sensitivity and respect for all of those who lost their lives while trying to provide for their families. Those men and women are heroes. And then there are people like you, the kind who think nothing of Muslim provocation even when it stares into your face screaming that you should die because you don't believe in the teachings of Muhammed. So long as people of this nation follow the likes of you, we are all doomed.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by explosivo
Just answer my simple, original question - why is it so wrong to move the project away?

I'll answer your question with one. What is so wrong with letting them build where the permits have already said they can?

Here is a better question: Why is a Canadian so interested in what goes on in America? It must be immensely gratifying for an armchair hero to sit back and judge a nation you don't live in.

Originally posted by black cat
Here is a better question: Why is a Canadian so interested in what goes on in America? It must be immensely gratifying for an armchair hero to sit back and judge a nation you don't live in.

Ooo, an attack. Strike me as SO SHOCKED!. Are you saying that American policy doesn't affect the world? Well guess what, the world has an opinion. I'm not an "arm chair anything". Just a studier of the world. Are you so insecure that you can't handle the heat from those outside of your small media world?

It's Americans like you that give the nation a bad name. Try rethinking that. I doubt it though. USA, USA, USA, USA...........

Edit: C'mon blackcat. Let's rumble. I'll tear you a new one on international politics, whoops, like you would know what that is.

Edit #2: Got the balls to go there? I doubt it.

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It seems people are still divided on this subject so maybe we should all just except the inevitable after all Islam is the only religion allowed to be practiced freely in America.

As I am so nice and that its being being built in New Yorks bomb site, and is going to go ahead for fear of a slap fest I leave you with some words that may get you by when the mosque its erected.

1) BURKAT HAKEEM SHARIL NOKUMDEM - TRANSLATION: SIR, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TRAVEL IN THE TRUNK OF YOUR JEEP

2) MERAKESH SURIAN FUKASTEH AKIM HAMEED SHRILA - TRANSLATION: I AM GRATEFUL FOR YOU LETTING ME KEEP MY RIGHT ARM, THANK YOU

3) GARKURS MAHAAMEEED SUKISRIA NAKIM SHRIIIMAH - TRANSLATION: OF COURSE I WOULD VOTE FOR YOU IF YOU LEAVE MY HEAD ATTACHED, DEAR HOLY MAN

4) SHADDAH YEHEW HAJII HAKIMMED SUKURAH KADISH - TRANSLATION: MY WIFE WOULD LOVE TO BUY THAT FULL BODY COVERING FOR DOUBLE THE PRICE, MANY THANKS



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As stated previously in the thread. (I know many people on Tel Aviv Time are now just joining us.) There are many parallels between Anti-Mosque, Anti-Islam, Anti-Mosque posters and Nazis!

Amazingly they don't see them, go figure! Though one does not have to lool hard to see them.

Nazis are people who like to persecute entire religions and races.

They typically can't hide it.

Many will display their Nazi ideals proudly even while denying them.

Go figure.

It would seem the Anti-Defamation League left out a couple of key words in their name?





[edit on 13/8/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Nazis are people who like to persecute entire religions and races.

They typically can't hide it.

Many will display their Nazi ideals proudly even while denying them.

That's right, call us Nazis because we have an opinion. If you had a sense of humor you might see the world from a different perspective.

Do you ever laugh Proto? What terrible thing happened to you that you can not see that people have personalities?

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isnt that hilarious we get called nazis and hilter visited that country o you know where the radical extremists make the gestapo look like amateurs.


and soon after it changed its name to land of the aryans.

[edit on 13-8-2010 by neo96]

Originally posted by americandingbat

Originally posted by explosivo
Why is it so wrong to move this mosque to a different location?

It is wrong because this mosque has been in the neighborhood of the WTC site for 27 years and needs new space in that neighborhood since they have outgrown their current space.

Outgrown? Its not a pair of underpants. What that means is that their are too many Islamic people in that area now. Which should be discouraging to everyone else as multiculturalism should be treated like a making a nice cup of coffee.

You add a touch of milk and a touch of sugar but not enough to overpower the taste and texture of the actual coffee.