Scientists agreeing end of times is near?

This thread makes me wonder what all the people from the ancient monolith building societies said when their scientists started telling them they were on the verge of some kind of disaster.

All I know is how it makes me feel. And this is how it makes me feel

reply to post by rusethorcain


I have been looking at your posts and have noticed you use a lot of films to convey your points.
Do you believe all of the spin you see on film and sexxeh old Leo DiCaprio narrates?
You also list a lot of facts, 73% of all facts are made up on the spot.
Numbers on a spreadsheet CAN lie, it just depends on how I wish to arrange them.
One of your facts concerns some buffalo tofu frog or something of the sort, the fact is it is BELIEVED to have gone extinct from global warming?
I debunk that whole statement by saying it is NOT my belief.
The real fact is if people start to die off from global warming, the population will thin and the Earth will “normalize” no harm no foul.
The world will not end, and if it does that is something even 8 billion people could change.
Enjoy the ride.

(Edit)
OOOh I almost forgot about the scientists all agreeing part.
Did ATS just recently have a thread about scientist being bought off by BP to represent their interests and not say the wrong things?
Just saying.

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Facts

www.wnd.com...
More than 31,000 scientists across the U.S. – including more than 9,000 Ph.D.s in fields such as atmospheric science, climatology, Earth science, environment and dozens of other specialties – have signed a petition rejecting "global warming," the assumption that the human production of greenhouse gases is damaging Earth's climate.

"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate," the petition states. "Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."

Algore, the guy behihnd global warming.

www.jeremiahproject.com...
The Gospel According to Al Gore
As more of the world practice the 1st, 4th., 7th, 8th, and 9th. planks of communism rather than the 10 Commandment system of God, a new religion of environmentalism is spreading across the globe. Since 1970, the establishment globalists have pushed down our throats more collectivism, more people control, more restrictions on free enterprise and private property in America, all in the name of environmentalism, than the Communists were able to achieve in 75 years. The "Reds" are being replaced by the "Greens."

Perhaps more influential in raising the popularity of the religion of environmentalism in recent years was the Clinton/Gore administration. President Clinton and his New Age spokesman, Al Gore, consistently pushed an agenda of "control" and promoted false "science" using their office and taking advantage of the Leftist "education" establishment to make sure our kids knew nothing else. The teaching of humanism in the schools for several decades has created a spiritual vacuum in the hearts of our people and it has opened those hearts to receive the New Age Spiritual answers such as Vice President Gore proposes. We have a pantheistic, pagan type philosophy dominating the thinking of the Vice President of the United States who is a zealous New Ager advocating "a new faith in the future" which will be a return to paganism's worship of the earth as sacred.

Environmentalism is becoming the new religion of the world!

This means more control, more brainwashing but at a higher level.
Just go with the flow Reason= Global Warming Reaction the new cult religion where you kill your self for Algore and all like him.

They want the new world order so bad. Think about it, do these people have the most healthy intentions for you ? They can't be the good guys, they are not the good guys. Global Warming is just a pretext, it's part of the agenda. Why be an ass and go along with it ?

reply to post by unityemissions


That more CO2 equals more plants argument comes from some article written by two chemists (who were brothers) from DuPont? Dow Chemical? (I forget the company) it ran in the Wall Street Journal years and years ago, and got enormous traction in the business world, and the MSM. It was quoted all over hell and creation, and no one ever looked at the authors, who paid them to write it, or their qualifications to write it.

I had to do a paper on it in school, many of the things they state it that article including how CO2 is increasing plant growth, are skewed by forestry. (They are planting lots and lots of baby trees to replace the trees cut down, etc, making the numbers appear that plants are springing up all over.) It was just a mess. The bottom line was that, burning carbon is the way you can assure your children a lush green Eden, buy a bigger car! The last couple paragraphs sounded almost religious in their fervor for carbon. I wish I saved the article. But there is more to growing plants than just CO2.

While I do not think all the climate change is man made, nor do I deny that groups are trying to make money off it, I think it is going way too far to pretend that there is nothing happening that we should be concerned with.

Climate change has driven us to the brink of extinction before, and it can do it again.

reply to post by g146541


Guess what?
If I am wrong we all are fooled.

If you are wrong we all die.

This is what you call "thinning of the herd"
We are on the same planet aren't we? I am only assuming you are an Earthling but you don't talk like you are from here.
I use videos because people have short attention spans and rarely read through the entire piece to get to the point. You don't have to read a video.
Let's just do nothing and wait to see what happens? Great idea. You got any more like that?


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reply to post by pepsi78


First off, there are millions of scientists from all over the world. Even if that figure were correct, it would account for a small percentage of naysayers within the scientific community. The truth is that this figure is bogus. I remember reading a report that anyone could go onto this site, and sign the petition as a "scientist" by a simple admission which didn't require any professional credentials, and it was thought that a large portion of the signers either didn't have a PHD, or weren't even close to a related field.

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reply to post by rusethorcain


I have been fooled before and I didn't like it much.
I also realized no matter what none of us are getting out of life alive.
so why worry about it?

reply to post by g146541


It's called basic ethics.

We have a moral responsibility to leave this planet just a little better off than when we were born.

This type of thinking, of course, requires sound reasoning and higher emotional capabilities than that of a barbarian.

Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by rusethorcain

 

I have been fooled before and I didn't like it much.
I also realized no matter what none of us are getting out of life alive.
so why worry about it?

For the children.

reply to post by unityemissions

It's for the new cult of gaya, all of this is for that, for the new world religion, where you lose your sanity, you lose your logic and you just jump off a building or cut your throat. I can't imagine people would trust these guys, they target kids.

Originally posted by g146541

so why worry about it?

Because most of the people who think like you have children or grandchildren or both.

The fact that we as individuals are all doomed is one thing. Ruining the chances of the replacement generations is another thing entirely. Its not all about us. Its also about the little kids and their future kids, etc.

Im not even a breeder and I care about the future humans more than most breeders do.

I will say though, that selfish people like some of you in this thread, who think it is all about them, do make me feel just that little bit better about our probable extinction. It would sting a lot more if more of us were worth saving.

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Are they referring to the effects of the methane explosion courtesy of BP, on account of 'our greed'? Or are they simply referring to the electric bill over at HAARP?

What a load of BS. Gee, I wonder who they're in bed with. As soon as the deepwater thing is swept under the foodchain, away they go. Right back in the jungle...

How about we allow the bees a chance? Get rid of em weapons and cellphones?

Even the conspiracies are starting to suck. It's a conspiracy...

Man, I got to get away from here. I'm forgetting how to spell.

[edit on 9-8-2010 by davidmann]

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by g146541

 

It's called basic ethics.

We have a moral responsibility to leave this planet just a little better off than when we were born.

This type of thinking, of course, requires sound reasoning and higher emotional capabilities than that of a barbarian.

Excellent Unity! I could not have said this better.

Whoa Hoss!!
A few of you talk of the kids.
I thought we were already past the tipping point according to the "scientists".
If this is the FACT, our kiddies are doomed anyway.
And yes I have kids, 6 to be exact.
I do not pour concrete and I never drive as I detest cars, I rarely travel in mechanized vehicles, I do garden too.
I think I have done my part, so if we are all doomed, LIVE.
Besides all of this keyboard warring does is wear out our keyboards and possibly frustrate someone.
The world will not die, we may but the world will not.
And if we have destroyed it to a point that the world chooses to extinct the human race, why do any of you think the next generation will change?

Originally posted by rusethorcain

Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by rusethorcain

 

I have been fooled before and I didn't like it much.
I also realized no matter what none of us are getting out of life alive.
so why worry about it?

For the children.

Don't forget about the polar bears and their cubs

Go ahead and talk yourself into accepting the carbon tax. Gore's movie won an Oscar because people bought it hook, line, and sinker. It was great Hollywood. Keep electing those champions of the environment whose main focus' are on cap and trade. Ignore any kind of scientific evidence or common sense that proves that the Earth gets hotter and colder at times of it's or moreso the Sun's choosing.

When your children grow up and are struggling to make ends meet because they can't afford the ghastly prices of basic needs due to carbon taxes, you can tell them that you meant well; that you were only trying to make their future better.

The carbon tax or cap/trade is the only thing that our governments are interested in regarding global warming. It won't do a damn thing to stop pollution or cool the Earth, but it will line many fat cats' wallets.

You environmental alarmists have free will, no? Can think for yourselves? Sure don't seem like it. I don't mean that as an insult. It's something that truly frightens me. I fear for my children's future because of what you(pl) will do to try and make it "better".

Originally posted by g146541

And yes I have kids, 6 to be exact.

Why does that not surprise me?

And what makes some of us think that future generations could change is evolution. You know, that thing that so many of you who think we should squander all the worlds resources dont believe in?

I agree that we are all going to die, and that we should live and enjoy life. What I dont agree is that to enjoy life you have to breed like rabbits on crack and consume everything in sight. People can be, and have been, pretty happy with a lot less junk. With our technology and a lower population, (fairly distributed among all the classes and ethnic groups) we could have left a pretty nice life for the generations to come.

Sure they would have to face challenges, but we could have, and were obligated to, leave them with the best possible odds, and we didnt. It was all about instant gratification and material stuff. Our approach to living on credit is another demonstration of our "give it to me now and screw the future" attitude.

Honestly, I am appalled that you dont even realize how appalling it is to not care about the world you leave YOUR children. I can understand why you might not care about other peoples offspring, but your own? Amazing. Truly.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Does not surprise you?
What does this mean? Do you know of a better way to run a farm? Was that an insult?
No I am not a farmer however, I bought and paid for every bit my kids got, and they are for the most part well off young adults.
I also hope that someday you find a Man or Woman that you would want to breed like rabbits on crack, as all others are just a waste of time. Never compromise on who you choose to be your spouse.
You speak of giving the kids the best chance possible. we are past the tipping point remember or did the OP change the original post?
That still leaves their chance at ZERO.
And evolution? In the course of one generation? That would be revolution not evolution dontchathink?

Originally posted by g146541
Was that an insult?

Take it anyway you like it.

Originally posted by g146541
And evolution? In the course of one generation? That would be revolution not evolution dontchathink?

When selective "events" happen, it can kill off large percentages of a population in a very short period of time, leaving behind the individuals who happen to have the favorable trait that allowed them to survive the event. Which can change the makeup of a population in a very short period of time.

We dont "adapt to" circumstances in the sense that the whole population slowly becomes more heat tolerant, or able to resist the black plague. You already have individuals in a population with a variety of traits, and when the event happens, many of those who have the maladaptive traits for that event die off, leaving mostly those with the adaptive traits.

It is my fondest hope that the next event will select for altruists and cooperators over the selfish. A long shot, to be sure, but I can dream.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

Take it anyway you like it.

Ok so it is not an insult, then what does this mean? Let’s not be cryptic, real talk like the adults please.

On the other issue I will take your word for it that the lottery is evolution.
But still if a child does not have this trait, what difference do my actions make if said person was dead anyway due to DNA?

Interesting article for sure!
However,i feel there is more chance of us being consumed by nuclear fire in the next decade,rather than the end of our race due to global warming!
But be sure,one thing or the other is gonna get us in the end!