Calling all Debunkers, and anyone who thinks Holocaust Denial is offensive, debunk this!

Originally posted by Discotech


It's that I have a problem with over anything else putting the Jews on some kind of pedestal, like they're superior to everyone else who died and the way they act now is so #ing ironic to how they were treated, they harp on about never forgetting about how they were treated

Why is nobody blaming Rwandans or Ethiopians or Armenians or Gypsies/Roma for all sorts of problems? And doing the same thing over and over and over? For hundreds of years?

For example, this just came a few minutes ago on this very thread.

whole world is a ridiculous show, directed by the Rwandans, financed by the dirty money they collected along so many thousand years. People think only at modern age, specially during war. Wake up people, they invented the money, so they could control our gold, silver, diamonds...Why do you think they are the biggest gold and diamond traders?

Except it wasn't the Rwandans.

yet they are modern day nutzi's in relation to palestinians.

No, it isn't anywhere near what actual Nazis did. Only North Korea today comes close.

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Originally posted by silhouette
I do agree the Jewish community have made a buck from the guilt, it wasn't just the jews who suffered. But it is important to not forget what happened so we can try and prevent it from ever happening again.

Well it's happening again and guess by who....


www.revisionisthistory.org...
www.nodo50.org...


The people who supposed to suffer in concentration camps have made some of their own.
So this tells us that if the holocaust is real that humans never learn from the past so they deserve what happened,what happens and what will happen to them.
Or that the holocaust is just a profitable business and good for the welfare of jewish people all over the world,nothing happened in the scale that it is presented and we can argue all we want but they are using it to commit crimes against humanity (and get away with it) and of course become richer and richer....

And to answer to a poster that said that jewish hate Germany.Well they actually hate everyone in this planet.(and propably every planet with life in the universe:lol

Originally posted by Conan The Usurper
Was most of those camps built for mass extermination of whoever was sent there or the prisoners were working to help the Nazi war efforts in producing all kind of goods?

Did the SS really give a crap?

Did Arbeit Mach Frei ever?

No.

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reply to post by Sashromi

This thread is so absurd and insulting

probably have disturbing dreams because of what I have read here

Why? Why such emotion?

Let's conduct a test. Read the following several statements, please:

"The japanese were never put into internment camps. The rape of Nanking never happened. The armenian genocide is a fabrication. Shaka Zulu never killed anyone in africa. Agent orange was not used in Vietnam. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were never bombed. No Rwandans have ever been murdered."

How do you feel? Are you calm? Are you angry? Do you feel an irrational need to hurl insults? No?

Now...

"The holocaust is a hoax. It never happened."

How do you feel?

Why?

having grown up in a half jewish neighborhood
in the US, I got to know jews pretty well.

So you're not a jew. But you've adopted their anger.

Why?


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The only thing i disagree with regarding the holocaust is the numbers, that along with how many died from starvation/disease and gassed. The suffering of those people was most definitely used as a political weapon during the time and still today Israel uses it to try and justify it's actions, Jewish holocaust charities blackmail billions to line their own pockets etc But i don't think it was one big lie like some do.

Originally posted by mbkennel

Originally posted by Conan The Usurper
Was most of those camps built for mass extermination of whoever was sent there or the prisoners were working to help the Nazi war efforts in producing all kind of goods?

Did the SS really give a crap?

Did Arbeit Mach Frei ever?

No.

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It's about knowing the purpose of the camps and yes they did give a crap or else they would not have built those camps, don't you think ?

So Jews died in WW2.
Join the club.
My dearly beloved sweet old Great Aunt Rose died too, from a german bomb.
No one gives a damn about her or the other millions of Brits and Europeans who were killed - many in acts of cold blooded murder.
How many Germans died under the allies post war occupation.
Possibly millions were cold bloodedly slaughtered by starvation and cold.
How many Jews in the camps died of starvation - not by the Germans - but by the allied blockade of food as the war ended?.
Probably most of the corpses shown on the zionist propaganda films.
How many Russians died. 30 MILLION. They died brutally. Read the seige of Leningrad. They actually turned the tide with their blood. Forced the Nazis into retreat as they did Napoleon.
And what was the Jewish contribution to the war?
How many actually fought?
What we do know is that many profited handsomely and what many suspect is that that was the whole point of both world wars.
Lets get the Zionist BS into perspective.
The number of Jews who died pales in comparison with the war dead across the world.
Why is it that Jews alone are to be remembered?.
Only jews - they destroyed the crosses around one camp a few years ago. Trampled them into the mud.
Ever heard of Jasenovac. Brutal camp. Hundreds of thousands of allied Serbs etc died there at the hands of the Croatian Nazi Ustashi.
Not Jews - so cleansed from history.
Only Jews can be victims.
Well sorry about that. Thanks to the internet the Zionist lies and distortions and financial scams are being exposed.
I once fell for the old zionist lies. No longer. Like many others my eyes have been thoroughly opened and when I see the mass murder and ethnic cleansing in Palestine I recognise the same old jewish barbarity.
The barbarism that enslaved the Russian people under their Jewish masters in the great Soviet experiment called Communism
Jewish to the core. All the horror of torture, labour camps and mass murder. Done by Jews against the Russian people.
A terror state.
As I watch the most vicious terrorist state the planet has ever seen using American and British soldiers as canon fodder - I am angry. Very angry.
Zionism is the most evil philosophy this planet has endured. Its toll of victims during the 20th century is unimaginable. Hudreds of millions of real human beings.
Lets remember them - not a fairy story.

reply to post by Sashromi

First, being a WWII history major from a serious university, and a retired US Army intelligence officer who actually served in Germany

Really? In that capacity would you care to address the NYT articles 6 posts above your own? I'm really curious...

The point is that it happened to the jews ALSO. And saying it doesn't take away from the tradgedy that is occured to other groups of peoples like: Soviet POWs, homosexuals, Russian farmers, native-American Indians, black Africans, etc. They are all horrid manifestations of the evil part of our nature.

Maybe, the fact remains however that none of these groups have museums erected all over the world in their honour, nor do they whine year in and year out for pecuniary compensation, nor were they gifted a land of their own, and finally they seem to manage to get on with life quite fine without shoving their 'choseness' in everyone's face all the time.

My only issue with the Holocaust is the numbers and how the non-jewish people who died barely garner a mention.

My husbands great uncle was a German who died in Dachau just days before it was liberated. He was forced into the SS as a young man and then tried to help the people going to the camps. He was caught and treated worse than many of the other prisoners. He suffered greatly during his time in the camps.

In the early 90's, my father-in-law traveled to Germany with his elderly mother (the great uncles sister) and during their trip they paid a visit to Dachau. While there, they also gathered the records on his time in the camps. (And there were plenty) When my father-in-law passed away, I got all of these records and the translations my FIL managed to finish before he passed. They are disturbing to say the least.

My point is rather than labeling the victims jewish, polish or what-not, why don't we just say what they were, victims of a sick man's warped vision of the perfect world.

reply to post by Puck 22


Well to my mind it was never a Jewish holocaust any more than it was a gay, disabled, trade unionist or political opponent holocaust. So an awful lot of Jews were terrorised, isolated in appalling conditions and then murdered fine! It is also fine that their survivors and choose to use the holocaust as a powerful metaphor for in humanity well that is also fine! What would you have them do? Shut up and go to Pluto?

Sadly there are a whole new generation of haters, psychos and Nazis around. it is these people for whom now try to distort the facts. The reality is that most of the holocaust deniers follow a religion where one guy was killed by an oppressive ancient government so why the dubious mathematics of how many were killed in the holocaust. the jews were not just a single social group. They were also some who were gay, disabled, mentally ill or even trade unionists. I challenge anyone to “just do the math” and get the "real figure"?? To me it simply does not matter. I million killed or six million IMHO one appalling murder is bad enough!

What is interesting is understanding the anti-Semitic aspect of holocaust denial. People should be honest holocaust denial is a cowardly form of anti-Semitism.

During the Anti Nazi movement of the late 70s and early 80s in the UK gays used the pink triangle as it is a symbol of defiance. The Nazis used a system of colour -coded triangles to identify what inmates were there for and the gays had to wear a pink triangle.



Here is a link from the good skeptics

www.skepdic.com...

Wait a minute here.

Questioning the accuracy of facts or evidence we have from the holocaust do NOT make those people holocaust deniers.

It's like saying that those who question the number of german tanks destroyed at Kursk around Prokhorovka, are battle of Kursk deniers.

This is ridiculous.

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Ofcourse! All the eye-witness accounts are lied, photo's and video's taken are all photoshopped! That I didn't see that sooner, god how stupid of me!
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Good (after counting to ten), let's assume no-one could debunk the points you mentioned, would that make you question the holocaust? I mean, seriously, what would be the implications of that? Denying that so many people were murdered? Questioning the method of the killings? Denying the holocaust in whole?


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reply to post by Tiger5

What is interesting is understanding the anti-Semitic aspect of holocaust denial.
People should be honest holocaust denial is a cowardly form of anti-Semitism.

What exactly do you mean by that?

What would be a "brave" form of anti-semitism? Do you actually mean something by "cowardly" or are you hurling covert insults? And what exactly do you mean by anti-semitism? How does disputing a historical detail equate to hatred of a racial group? Are the people who claim we never landed on the moon "NASA-haters?"

Is there actually any rational behind your statements or are you simply making accusations and slinging insults out of sheer habit? Are you a trained dog? Or are you deliberately evoking anger and emotion to manipulate people to your way of thinking?

I challenge anyone to “just do the math” and get the "real figure"??
To me it simply does not matter.

...why are you "challenging" people to get a real figure if it doesn't matter to you?

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Sorry but David Irving - renowned for meticulous research??

He later admitted to having falsified and deliberately misinterpreted evidence in order to bend it to his revisionist theories.


Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org...


Aftermath
Not only did Irving lose the case, but in light of the evidence presented at the trial a number of his works that had previously escaped serious scrutiny were brought to public attention. He was also liable to pay all of Penguin's costs of the trial, estimated to be as much as £2 million (US$3.2 million).[136] When he did not meet these Davenport Lyons moved to make him bankrupt on behalf of their client. He was forced into bankruptcy in 2002.

BBC@
news.bbc.co.uk...
David Irving has been jailed by an Austrian court after pleading guilty to denying that the Holocaust took place.
Irving, surmised Professor Evans, had deliberately distorted and wilfully mistranslated documents, consciously used discredited testimony and falsified historical statistics.

And he concluded: "Irving has fallen so far short of the standards of scholarship customary amongst historians that he does not deserve to be called a historian at all."


bbc (same page, showing he'd already been sued for libel...which doesn't happen if you 'metculously research'.
In 1968, he found himself in court following the publication of The Destruction of Convoy PQ17. Captain J E Broome, who commanded the doomed convoy's escort, sued for libel and won.

guardian newspaper report:
www.guardian.co.uk...

Originally posted by King Loki
The so-called Diary of Anne Frank was not written by Anne Frank at all. Photocopies of the supposed manuscript show two distinct styles of handwriting, one which is not handwriting at all but printing, and the other a very smooth handwriting angled at two o’clock. At least half of the manuscript was handwritten in ballpoint pen. The ballpoint pen, invented during WWII, was not commercially available until after the war. In addition, the American Jewish writer, Meyer Levin, sued Anne Frank’s father and won an award of $50,000 for his participation in the writing of “Anne Frank’s” supposed diary. This fact was only brought to light because one Jew tried to cheat another.

Meyer Levin didn't write it. What the lawsuit was about was Levins attempt to publish it in english and turn it into a movie or play. The writing of this movie or play is what the lawsuit was about.

Originally posted by Yissachar1
reply to post by NichirasuKenshin

 

Whether you like it or not, my family sufferd at your expense.. When the world needs a saviour God sends a Jew.. Yeshua...

I don't know what you're talking about????? What do you mean by my expense? I have nothing to do with the suffering of your family. I never heard of them and I never did anything wrong nor have I personally profited from anything that has happened to your family.

I don't get what your pulling here, Dude. I'm the one who is setting the record straight in this thread even though I'm not Jewish - and your giving me a hard time because I am currently working in Switzerland? You got to be kidding me.

The world doesn't need any saviour... Jew, Muslim or Bokononist. Anyone who believes such crap.. well... Let's leave it at that.

I can't believe you just bumped me after everything I wrote in this thread. I hope I misunderstood you.

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You see, you post that rebuttal as fact, but give no link.

So the first result of a simple search throws up this....

A noteworthy decision of the New York Supreme Court confirms this point of view, in that the well known American writer, Meyer Levin, has been awarded $50.000 lo he paid him by the father of Anne Frank as an honorarium for Levin's work on the "Anne Frank Diary." Mr. Frank, in Switzerland, had promised to pay to prominent Jewish author, Meyer Levin. not less than $50,000 because he had used the literary creation of author Levin in toto, and represented it to his publisher and the public as his late daughter’s original work.

LINK


And that makes you Wrong.

Originally posted by nostringsonme
Plain and simple, those in charge of telling the story, make the history. All the Hollywood movies, tv news, books, magazines, anything related to the holocaust, was and still is, manipulated by jewish entities,

Absolute Nonsense. The Majority of the scholars on the Holocaust are not jews. Of all the scholars that I know of that work in this field, only few are of the Jewish faith.

This is a paranoid fantasy that you can only hold on to because you have never seen the inside of a University. You can not hold a monopoly on historical truth. The sources are there. The evidence is. The "Jews" do not have the means nor the power to "keep the lid" on anything concerning WWII. Academia is free. There's no way to totally surpress scientific inquiry.

because they realized that if people are moved by how they "suffered" they will keep supporting their cause. I am just like the guy who posted, have nothing against the people who are victims of the deceivers. But just came here to bold his post. The whole world is a ridiculous show, directed by the jews, financed by the dirty money they collected along so many thousand years.

Oh yeah? And because you have so much absolute evidence that this is the case you decided to just losely formulate this.. No names, dates, and actuel crimes.. A general indictment of all people of the Jewish faith suffices... God you guys are pathethic.

People think only at modern age, specially during war. Wake up people, they invented the money, so they could control our gold, silver, diamonds...Why do you think they are the biggest gold and diamond traders? They´re collecting gold since "biblical times", it´s way above us, and there is nothing we can do about it. the only way of fixing this sick world we live is Ctrl + Alt + delete them and hope a few survive to maintain species

Hmm.. More interesting history lessons from you.. So the Jews invented money to surpress other people? That's very interesting. Do you want to elaborate on that theory? Maybe name the inventor?

Originally posted by Conan The Usurper

Originally posted by mbkennel

Originally posted by Conan The Usurper
Was most of those camps built for mass extermination of whoever was sent there or the prisoners were working to help the Nazi war efforts in producing all kind of goods?

Did the SS really give a crap?

Did Arbeit Mach Frei ever?

No.

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It's about knowing the purpose of the camps and yes they did give a crap or else they would not have built those camps, don't you think ?

So forced labor and death camps are - in your worldview - a sign of giving a crap?

Ah yeah. The Nazis were such humanitarians... Because they didn't just gass the Jews.. They were so friendly as to select some of them for forced labor (where the death rates weren't that much lower than in the gass chambers on the long run) .. Yeah right..

Some people... My gosh

Originally posted by Conan The Usurper
Questioning the accuracy of facts or evidence we have from the holocaust do NOT make those people holocaust deniers.

It's like saying that those who question the number of german tanks destroyed at Kursk around Prokhorovka, are battle of Kursk deniers.

This is ridiculous.

Funny you should say that, because you kind of prove a point by it.

No one questions that the other events happened.

That then should lead you to look at the motive for continually questioning only one.

Think about it.