Calling all Debunkers, and anyone who thinks Holocaust Denial is offensive, debunk this!

reply to post by amongus


Here is some tales from survivors...




WHAT is the truth ????

My grandfather had been in some kind of camp. He wisely chooses not to talk about it much. He just grows vegetables and lives his life thank you very much. Whatever the Nazis did to him didn't affect him all that much, it seems.

All this talk from bunkers, debunkers, and counter-debunkers just serves to rub salt in the wounds. Shut up, go away, we don't want to buy anything.

reply to post by Tadeusz

Shut up, go away, we don't want to buy anything.

No-ones tryin to sell ya anything son.......Possibly over 50 million innocents died......That's the truth.

not sure what to make of this, and why it would be important to someone to deny the holocaust. in speeches, hitler repeatedly stated his goals of creating a master race, and purging the jews from germany

like in public for all the world to see

so if hitler didn't deny it, why would you ?

reply to post by syrinx high priest

and purging the jews from germany

Have you heard of the Transfer Agreement ?


And I repeat, Over 50 million innocents died in WW2....Why should we detract from them !!!

Originally posted by neformore

In fifty years time, someone will tell you that 9/11 was a fabrication. Hell - the "no planers" are doing almost as much now. Maybe when you hear that for yourself, you'll realise how foolish a line you are taking at the moment.

I'm not a Holocaust denier, but there is a MAJOR difference here. 9/11 happened in the Information Age, on live TV, and in front of millions of live witnesses in New York City and New Jersey. Even after every single person alive in 2001 is dead, there will still be millions of videos, statements, and so on of people who witnessed the explosions.

The Holocaust, on the other hand, happened seven decades ago, in a time when information was still often spread by hearsay. Also, the general public did not witness the events. So I think it's not really an apt comparison.

I gave up on reading the rest of this thread after the fifth page I think. So much irrelevant bull, so many logical fallacies, so much ignorance, so many off-topic discussions, the ad hominem and strawman all over the place, and I was particularly struck by the way people write and articulate themselves. I mean, I assume English is not the vernacular of the majority of people here, but come on, some of the posts are almost illegible. At least create paragraphs and make it easy on our eyes.

Can anyone for once concentrate solely on one thing and that thing only?? Without bull#ting, digressing or trying to be a smartass even though you don't have absolutely any credibility or knowledge, let alone expertise, on the subject at hand? No historians, no archivists, no witnesses, no experts of any kind, not even serious researchers from what I've seen so far. Only people with differing opinions and intermittent but frequent spouts of baseless hatred. There should be some sort of regulative, so that only people who post congruent and cohesive posts containing very relevant information that is backed up by reliable sources (without exception) are actually allowed to participate. Since it is virtually impossible to do such a thing on an internet forum, especially one this huge, this whole discussion is useless.

Now what can I write to make anyone believe that I don't hate anyone, that I'm of this nationality or of that faith, that I'm not a nutcase or a shill, that I'm an expert on this or that etc.?? It's all bull#. That's why all I have to say is that I've recently begun delving into some history. I started with 9/11 (can't remember what led me to it) and now I'm trying to figure out WWII. In any case, I'm not an American, I'm not German and I'm not a Jew, and I don't hate anyone. I'd like some good hard info from someone who has been researching this particular subject (the Holocaust) and has more or less extensive knowledge of it. I've seen some very intelligent, knowledgeable and rational people frequent these forums, although I can't say the same about this thread, with maybe a few exceptions.

Not to ramble any more, I'd like to say that I don't have that much time to spend scouring the internet for info, this is more like a hobby really, because I've got too many things to do every day. Thus, it's very difficult to find a good, unbiased, thorough starting point on any of these topics. I went to the "holocaustdenialvideos" site that a few people here posted earlier (or way earlier) in this thread, and started watching this video:

www.holocaustdenialvideos.com...

Can anyone provide some insights about it? It raises a few logical questions. I have a lot of things to say about it, but don't have the time to expostulate right now. Plus, I haven't finished watching it. Preliminary thoughts - the guy who made the video has some very good points, provided that all of the material and sources he is using are true. I didn't have time to verify it all yet. There's just things that don't make much sense regarding these gassings for example.

Can anyone explain the things this guy points out during the video, regarding the discrepancies and illogicalities concerning the design of the gas chambers and the crematoria, as well as the procedure itself that was described by these witnesses?

i have lived in germany most of my life and have seen the mass graves at bergen/belsen and also seen the captured footage from aforementioned camp... these things i have seen with my own eyes so no amount of youtube videos will convince me that the holocaust did not happen

Wow this thread is the champion of the new Ludicrous lies forum. Clearly therefore the sole reason as to why this forum was created. I am honored.

Why wasnt this thread simply moved to the hoax forum? Did it really need its own forum? I feel personally violated. It is the only thread of substance in this new LOL forum. I mean seriously

reply to post by John832


Your post is just a hoot. You come here telling everybody that you read the whole thread post by post and that nothing in this thread is of any worth at all and that we're all idiots anyway. Then you go on to post the exact same friggin video that the thread started with and ask for it to be debunked, which has been done point by point all over the thread.

The irony...

reply to post by jvm222


Very well spoken and I could not agree more. We have been lead down the Zionist primrose path. Shucked & Jived till we find ourselves lost. Saying 6 million jews were killed when it is factual false, is the norm now. It has more pity power than say "Of 6 million lives lost 1 1/2 million jews were killed." They have went for the Pity Power since 1948. Tell the lie, keep telling the lie and eventually the lie becomes the truth and the truth is lost, as are we.

Originally posted by openyourmind1262
reply to post by jvm222

 

Very well spoken and I could not agree more. We have been lead down the Zionist primrose path. Shucked & Jived till we find ourselves lost. Saying 6 million jews were killed when it is factual false, is the norm now. It has more pity power than say "Of 6 million lives lost 1 1/2 million jews were killed." They have went for the Pity Power since 1948. Tell the lie, keep telling the lie and eventually the lie becomes the truth and the truth is lost, as are we.

Cites for any of this? Facts? Face reality - the Holocaust happened. I suggest that you deal with it.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg
Were you there to witness it? Or are you like the rest of us and rely on written history to tell the tale? Cause it's obvious what you read and what I and the op read are somthing entirely different. Are's isnt based on pity power.

Originally posted by openyourmind1262
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

Were you there to witness it? Or are you like the rest of us and rely on written history to tell the tale? Cause it's obvious what you read and what I and the op read are somthing entirely different. Are's isnt based on pity power.

My grandfather helped to liberate Bergen-Belsen. He saw what those Nazi pieces of filth did to thousands of people simply because of their religion.

Forget for a moment the gas chambers and forced slave labor. Let us just examine why millions of people were imprisoned for NO CRIME other than who they were. That in itself is wrong enough to condemn what happened.

Originally posted by filosophia
www.holocaustdenialvideos.com...

Debunk any of these videos, or any points made by these videos. I would really like it if someone was able to do that.

If you need some direction, start with the David Cole video titled "Auschwitz" (below the first video on the homepage).

Some points to draw from the videos that I have never heard debunked before are as follows:

1. Zyklon-B is a disinfectant, which is why there are purple Zyklon-B streaks in the disenfectant room and not the gas chamber.

2. As the David Cole video points out, the gas chamber was a reconstruction, and the famous holes on the top of the roof were added by the museum holders.

3. Prisoners head's were shaved in order to fight off typhus. Their clothes were removed for a similar reason, having nothing to do with Nazis stockpiling goods.

4. The three concentration camps, Auschwitz, Berkanau, and Treblinka, comprise only 20 minutes of the Nuremberg trial, many of those minutes included the defense failing to ask questions or put in comments on behalf of the defendants.

5. Some of the German prisoners on trial at Nuremberg gave such outlandish stories that they must have been pleading guilty and working within the Holocaust story in order to avoid execution.

So, if anyone is interested, please watch some or all of the videos, and give me a hard core debunking of this. Give me your best shot.

I will debunk your thread with the same logic you used to create it.

1. Zyklon-B is a poision. It kills people. It was cheaper and more effective to use the gas pellets than it was to use bullets.

2. The gas chambers were not all reconstructed. Some were repaired including the holes in the roof for the ventilation vents where the Zyklon was dropped in.

3. Prisoners head were shaved to a) fight off lice and b) fill pillows for the German people.

4. The records of Nuremburg are complete. Most of the testimony was about the guards at the camps, not the construction of the camps. The atrocities are well documented into weeks and months of testimony,

5. The outlandish testimony at the trials was because the Court knew the facts and the defendants knew it. They were trying to be contrite to save their asses.

Eisenhower said "The day will come when some 'son of a bitch' will say this never happened."

At the time of my response, I counted 43 stars for your post. I guess that means there are at least 43 sons of bitches here on ATS. 44 if I count you.

reply to post by Nite_wing


Zyklon b being a poison does not answer the important claim that it was found only in the delousing room and not the gas chambers. And since it appeared in the delousing room it would most likely be a disenfectant rather than a poison, just as the shoes were collected for medical reasons, not evil reasons. The camp was a work/medical camp, not a death camp. The sign on Auschwitz reads 'work makes you free'.

Of course they hate when people expose their lies, which is why they say someday someone will deny it. The real holocaust deniers are those that deny the communist massacres and the zionist massacres of today. So, do you count yourself as one of those?

Originally posted by groingrinder
Forget for a moment the gas chambers and forced slave labor. Let us just examine why millions of people were imprisoned for NO CRIME other than who they were. That in itself is wrong enough to condemn what happened.

Same can be said about american prison camps for japanese. Why isn't it said in the mainstream news? Because of zionism and its control over media.

Originally posted by filosophia

Originally posted by groingrinder
Forget for a moment the gas chambers and forced slave labor. Let us just examine why millions of people were imprisoned for NO CRIME other than who they were. That in itself is wrong enough to condemn what happened.

Same can be said about american prison camps for japanese. Why isn't it said in the mainstream news? Because of zionism and its control over media.

No. Incorrect, again. The Nazis worked people to death. Look up Dora and other places like that. The American camps for the Japanese in the US were unpleasant at times, but people weren't beaten, starved and shot for the war effort. By the way - sorry, I worked in the media and WHAT Zionist control over it????