Israeli Organ Trafficking Ring Busted

Israeli Organ Trafficking Ring Busted

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Ukrainian police have smashed an Israeli-run organ-trafficking network illegally recruiting organ donors to send their body parts to Israel.

Ukrainian authorities said on Friday that twelve people, most of them Israelis, were arrested for taking part in a scheme to recruit organ donors from Ukraine and other former Soviet countries via internet and transplant the organs into Israelis who had ordered them in advance.

(visit the link for the full news article)

What is wrong with these people? Even though I read every day about the abominations of which the Israelis are capable, I just can't comprehend the kind of mentality which thinks all these atrocities are ok.

In a previous such ring which was busted earlier this year, the Israelis involved were letting the people have their organ removed, and then didn't pay them.

www.digitaljournal.com...

Such depravity is beyond my comprehension.







presstv.ir
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 6-8-2010 by wcitizen]

[edit on 6-8-2010 by wcitizen]

Wow.... I thought the body snatchers thing was done and finished.
Apparently not

What I don't get though is that it's against jewish beliefs to get transplants.
... I guess though that if you need them then you need them.

reply to post by wcitizen

What is wrong with these people? Even though I read every day about the abominations of which the Israelis are capable, I just can't comprehend the kind of mentality which thinks all these atrocities are ok.

From your own (second) link :

According to Israeli press, police arrested six men in northern Israel Tuesday

That is - Israeli police arrested Israeli criminals.
And:

Israel only allows voluntary organ donations, having ended the system of payments for organs in 2008 in a bid to end organ trafficking.

So? What is your problem with Israel? There are criminals everywhere and i am glad that Ukrainian police busted them.
Look at all those organ thiefs that are not Israeli that your presstv did not mention for some reason:

Shocked but not surprised. That might be the best way to sum up India's reaction to the revelation this week that a black market organ transplant ring had been harvesting kidneys from poor Indian laborers,

www.time.com...

Police uncover large scale organ trafficking in Punjab

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
This is by simple search: india, organ traffickng.
India as a random country.
So? Is it rage because those criminals were Israelis now?

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge

Do you even have to ask?

ATS + [insert anything here] + Israel

EQUALS: At least 85% Zionist/Jewish/U.S bashing replies

Its almost as bad as the human trafficking you read about every other day in CHINA!!

Originally posted by wcitizen
What is wrong with these people? Even though I read every day about the abominations of which the Israelis are capable, I just can't comprehend the kind of mentality which thinks all these atrocities are ok.

In a previous such ring which was busted earlier this year, the Israelis involved were letting the people have their organ removed, and then didn't pay them.

www.digitaljournal.com...

Such depravity is beyond my comprehension.







presstv.ir
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 6-8-2010 by wcitizen]

[edit on 6-8-2010 by wcitizen]

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


The thread is not about an Indian, Chinese or Swahili Organ trafficking ring but an Israeli one.

It seems every time Israel is in the news for something critical it’s supporters feel this overwhelming need to mitigate that offense, by pointing fingers at others, as a way to almost excuse that Israeli’s or Israel is doing something bad.

Your honor John Dillinger robbed a string of banks, I have only robbed one!!!

What John Dillinger is dead? Oh, what John Dillinger isn’t on trial I am? Oh, what because he committed more illegal acts that doesn’t make mine legal?

It’s a shame a swarm of people have to descend the minute these stories get posted to make it all about deflection and politics instead of just the issue itself.





[edit on 6/8/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Its almost as bad as the human trafficking you read about every other day in CHINA!

So that must make Israel innocent then? Last time I checked, Israel soldiers harvest organs off of dead Palestinians in the aftermath of their annual raids in Gaza. This is beyond inhuman and should be stopped, excessive force should be used to show Israel and its high-standing people not to toy with humanity in such ways.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


But you will not respond to thread about trafficking in India or elsewhere, except if it is connected to Israel.
And OP did not say - or those evil organ traffickers, he specifically said

abominations of which the Israelis are capable

So i restore his faith in humanity by showing that there are criminals everywhere. And abominations are done by lots of people.
This whole thread is not about showing that organ traders are bad. Not even that Israeli organ traffickers are bad. It is to show that Israelis are bad.
But you know it too. So why those lame Dilinger allegories? Dilinger was an individual who did a crime.
Israel is a country with 7.5 million people , with only dozen of them involved in organ trafficking.

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


Have you ever actually read my posting history friend? Looked at my profile? I post on a very wide variety of topics.

There are lots of ways to discuss organ trafficking in ways that don’t involve “they are picking on me again ma” that could still help you with your political goal of deflection but would still be topical and not so darn obvious.

Watch:

Organ trafficking sure has become a problem all over the world! When musicians like David Crosby of Crosby, Stills and Nash who destroyed his own liver with alcohol was turned down on every donor list because of all the people ahead of him who were suffering from degenerative liver diseases instead of rotting it with alcohol he had plenty of money to pay someone to get one, because he sure did get one.

As long as the rich and powerful are willing to pay exorbitant sums of money for organs they don’t qualify for through donor programs then I think it’s going to remain a very lucrative market for criminal elements.

Speaking of criminal elements China’s condemned prisoners routinely have their organs harvested by the state, that uses a fleet of surgical execution vans, that often pick up the prisoner and execute them inside the van while harvesting their organs en route to the airport, or idling on the tarmac next to a plane that is idling on the tarmac too, so they can rush the organs delivery to the recipient(s)

The average price of a kidney or liver on the black market where people like David Crosby turn too is 100,000.00 to 135,000.00 USD! Most 3rd world donors receive just a fraction of that for donating an organ. This leaves a huge profit for criminal elements and States like China to make.

We might need to reexamine for the benefit of these donors why many nations like the United States won’t let donors sell their organs, because under the black market system not only do the donors just receive a fraction of the organ’s retail value, but because it is illegal for the donor to sell their organ, often these operations take place in unsanitary makeshift medical facilities that lead to infections and the death of the donor.

(Now all of the above happens to be true)

Now here is some more great deflection that adds to a quality discussion that educates people to other things beyond Israeli fragile sensibilities.

“I am glad this story is in the paper, because I think the governments really do need to reexamine the entire organ donating industry and rework some of the laws, so people who want to profit off of donating an organ can do so safely, in a sterile and legal environment, and to weed out the criminal elements”.

All of the above is topical, deflects away from the fact that this particular organ case being an Israeli one, without the waaa, waaaa, waaaa, people are stating the truth of an event again and I think that’s picking on me!

Now this is the way the Israeli Internet Defense Forces often handle things:

The gay Jewish Mafia (yes there really is a gay Jewish Mafia) that is involved in this trafficking is more progressive than the Italian Mafia because the Italian Mafia frowns on homosexuality. Try being gay in the Italian Mafia and you will probably end up dead, killed by them. You are free to be gay in the Jewish Mafia and it’s the only Mafia in the world where you can openly do that!

What you really don’t get (I am presuming) is that every time a horde of Israeli Internet Defense Posters descent instantly on a thread to try to ‘get out ahead’ of a story, you guys actually stick yourselves behind the story and do two things. Prevent a quality discussion on the issue from ever developing, and actually make Israel look worse in the process because instead of allowing the topic to be discussed in greater detail, you insist it’s all about the politics of people not liking Israel.

“There is nothing more dangerous than a stupid friend”

The bullying and deflective tactics might work great on other Internet sites where people are more prone to succumb to peer pressure that are not as dedicated to learning, but here on ATS they really just come off as being bullying and deflective tactics that only make Israel and its supporters look worse not better.

Organ trafficking is a serious issue because the reality is a lot of the donors to the black market operations die as a result. Further a lot of poor and middle income families could in fact scrounge up 10,000 for a liver (what the donor is being paid) but not 100,000.00 what the black market seller is charging. So changing the laws to make a better system is more important as it will save a lot more lives than the waa waa waa someone printed something about Israelis again that makes me sad.

Thanks.


[edit on 7/8/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Have you ever actually read my posting history friend? Looked at my profile? I post on a very wide variety of topics.

No i have not. I only assumed. So ,deeply ashamed by such a jumping to conclusions - i did some research. There is a search option on ATS that really eases things up.
Those are threads/posts that appear when i search for organ trafficking:
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/searchresults.php?siteurl=www.abovetopsecret.com%2Fforum%2Ftoday.php&cx=010913664321846374563%3Afzhl_cfnikq&cof=FORID%3A9 &q=organ+trafficking&sa=Search#1062
As you can see there reports from all kinds of places, Israel and not Israel. Done by Israelis/Jews and not Israeli/Jews.
Those are posts that appear when i search organ trafficking, ProtoplasmicTraveler:
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/searchresults.php?siteurl=www.abovetopsecret.com%252Fforum%252Ftoday.php&cx=010913664321846374563%3Afzhl_cfnikq&cof=FORID %3A9&q=organ+trafficking%2C+ProtoplasmicTraveler&sa=Search#810
So yeah - i stand behind my assumption.
As for main point of your post - political deflections , i am not interested in those. I am interested at being judged as myself - without sticking label of abomination, organ trafficker because some Israelis trade in organs. This is it. And i fail to grasp why it bothers you so much that you are willing to conscript me into some kind of internet army (by the way - i thought that we established already due to Research that since all roads lead to Rome , it should be Rome internet defense posters) despite that it is perfectly logical for me to defend my home.
It is totally weird though when someone concentrates all his negative posts on a single country he never visited while totally disregarding problems on rest of the globe - including Rome, don't you think?


[edit on 7-8-2010 by ZeroKnowledge]

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


First off, I didn't notice in the thread title ZeroKnowledge guilty of organ trafficking, or in the opening piece, or in any post.

So why ever you imagine the thread is personally about you, as you now contend is ludicrous.

Second off it’s a CONSPIRACY SITE and that usually entails focusing on an entity carrying out a CONSPIRACY.

Do you know the definition of the word CONSPIRACY? That they usually entail extreme secrecy, and illegal and amoral actions that invite critical conjecture and speculation when being investigated?

Or are we once again just focused on you and Israel?

Did you find many non-critical threads on ATS you know something entitled “In Praise of Conspiracies” or “Why Conspiracies are good!”?

No the thread is not about you, and no one accused you in the thread of being an Organ Trafficker.

Clearly my posting history displays that I post on a wide variety of topics, and not just Israel related issues.

In fact you will see in some of my posts that I actually defend Jews against some of the Zionists are taking over the world theories.

In fact my best friend on ATS is Jewish and she follows my posts religiously.

Now on topic, as I stated above while trying to help you out, in how you could actually focus on the topic, which is organ trafficking instead of you simply going on and on about how you imagine that’s all about you, Organ Trafficking is a serious problem.

Yes organized criminal elements are involved. Yes some of them are Israeli and Jewish. Yes that becomes the topic of discussion sometimes. Why? Because some of them are Israeli and Jewish, so you taking objection to those discussions are really just a form of trying to control what can be discussed for political, national, or religious purposes.

ProtoplasmicTraveler is an equal opportunity critic of all those involved in anything untoward, amoral, murderous, foolish, destructive etc, including himself!

My posting history does in fact reveal no faction, entity, God, government, corporation, or person is immune to my criticism when they cross those lines.

I reserve the right to be critical of those who require or could use some improvement, and honestly I count myself very fortunate to be someone who some very wise and smart people have taken the time to be constructively critical of me. It’s helped me learn and grow and evolve all throughout my life.

So I don’t view the constructively critical process as being negative at all, but a boon, to those really looking to enhance the quality of their own life, evolve and make the world a better place.

Do you really want another 6,000 years of cyclical violence, needless death, and squandering resources and lives through senseless wars that serve the few and not the many?

I don’t and they all can stop the minute people can separate themselves from the fictions, addictions, and predilections of their nations, and realize that no the thread is not about ZeroKnowledge or Protoplasmic Traveler but Organ Trafficking.

Thanks my friend.

It alos seems that every thread about Israeli's act like Israelis are the ONLY ones committing said crime. Im pointing out that others-especially CHINA and thier huiman trafficking are doing just ass horrible if not worse things.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge

 

The thread is not about an Indian, Chinese or Swahili Organ trafficking ring but an Israeli one.

It seems every time Israel is in the news for something critical it’s supporters feel this overwhelming need to mitigate that offense, by pointing fingers at others, as a way to almost excuse that Israeli’s or Israel is doing something bad.

Your honor John Dillinger robbed a string of banks, I have only robbed one!!!

What John Dillinger is dead? Oh, what John Dillinger isn’t on trial I am? Oh, what because he committed more illegal acts that doesn’t make mine legal?

It’s a shame a swarm of people have to descend the minute these stories get posted to make it all about deflection and politics instead of just the issue itself.

[edit on 6/8/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Yes organized criminal elements are involved. Yes some of them are Israeli and Jewish. Yes that becomes the topic of discussion sometimes. Why? Because some of them are Israeli and Jewish, so you taking objection to those discussions are really just a form of trying to control what can be discussed for political, national, or religious purposes.

You obviously did not read the OP.

What is wrong with these people? Even though I read every day about the abominations of which the Israelis are capable, I just can't comprehend the kind of mentality which thinks all these atrocities are ok.

It is ok to discuss organ trafficking. It is ok to discuss Israelis involved in organ trafficking.
It is even ok to discuss how evil abominations that Israelis are capable of anything because few Israelis were arrested in Ukraine. But then there is no need to hide behind "noble discussion about organ trafficking". This is about simply smearing Israel and Israelis , and i am one of those.
OP did not question Israeli/Ukrainian/Iranian/Martian laws concerning organ transplantation. Or concerning people who deal in it or people who need those organs.
This is not about any of it and i know you understand it too.

Once again any criticism of jews or Israel is labeled anti-semitic.

These reports of illegal organ trafficking run by Israelis and in some cased jewish rabbis, is a symptom of a larger issue that does indeed involve racism. No one is saying that all jews are evil or would countenance organ trafficing. But the racism buried deep in the jewish religion makes this kind of thing all too plausible. The Talmud, which is one of the most sacred of the jewish religious books, contains pronouncements that are shockingly racist.

It says that Jews have a god-given mandate to conquer all of the Earth, enslave all of it's inhabitants. It says that non-jews are inferior and no better than cattle. It prohibits jewish women from 'defiling' themselves by fornicating with non-jewish men. It says that it's okay to cheat, steal or even kill a non-jewish person ie. these acts are NOT considered sins or crimes under jewish canon but the reverse is not allowed ie. cheating, stealing or killing a jewish person by a non-jew IS a sin/crime.

It's my belief that most jews don't subscribe to this racist ideology but many do. Zionism is the political movement that has taken this racism to heart. This is clear from what ardent jewish zionist call their non-jewish zionist allies and supporters. They call them 'useful idiots' If that's how zionist view their non-jewish allies, then it's not difficult to figure out how they see the rest of us.

We need to confront racism wherever we find it and not be afraid to call a spade a spade just because the racist happens to be jewish.

reply to post by princeofpeace

It alos seems that every thread about Israeli's act like Israelis are the ONLY ones committing said crime. Im pointing out that others-especially CHINA and thier huiman trafficking are doing just ass horrible if not worse things.

Which I pointed out in finer topical detail.

Tell me though does China tout itself to Americans as being a superior political system in Asia and a model worthy of respect, that should deserve additional consideration?

Israel in fact does, we are the only democracy in the Middle East, we are multi-cultural, we are pan sexual, we are religiously tollerant of others, etc., etc.

These are all arguments Israel's supporters make about it.

In other words we are entitled a certain latitude because we have higher, better standards and ways, than those we have chosen to make enemies.

So in a lot of ways that has set Israel up to higher expectations because of those claims, and opens up Israel to more criticism when it doesn't live up to those expectations.

China doesn't make those silly claims, it could care less who criticizes it or on what grounds, makes no appologies or excuses, but just keeps on keeping on.

China though unlike Israel is not dependant on International Charity to maintain it's standard of living or military security.

So like any Charity Israel is always trying to make that appeal to donors, and silence critics that might persuade donors not to donate!

China doesn't release a inflamatory story about Tawaiian every day either, like Israel does with the nations it doesn't like.

China isn't a media whore, Israel is. China doesn't operate on the squeeky wheel gets the grease principle Israel does.

So yes, when you choose to always be in the news when it serves your political purposes it makes then anything such a entity does news.

Kind of like Lindsey Lohan or Paris Hilton, their activities aren't as News worthy as they themselves are.

No one cares what I will wear to South Beach tonight but they will care what Paris Hilton wears, that's how that works.

So the moral to this story is that if you claim higher and better standards as a nation as a people, as a religion you had better live up to them!

And further that being a media whore requires always that you only are as good as your last line.

So if you want nothing but good press, well you need to do nothing but good things.

That's how that works.





[edit on 7/8/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge

It is ok to discuss organ trafficking. It is ok to discuss Israelis involved in organ trafficking.

It is even ok to discuss how evil abominations that Israelis are capable of anything because few Israelis were arrested in Ukraine. But then there is no need to hide behind "noble discussion about organ trafficking". This is about simply smearing Israel and Israelis , and i am one of those.

OP did not question Israeli/Ukrainian/Iranian/Martian laws concerning organ transplantation. Or concerning people who deal in it or people who need those organs.

This is not about any of it and i know you understand it too.

What I understand is same old song different beat!



I have spoken in far more depth about real organ trafficking issues than you have my friend.

The organ trafficking is real.

Here is a hint, when you don't want the topic to go some place (bashing Israel) don't encourage it to go there by stating it's bashing Israel.

You actually lead the conversation precisely where you don't want it to go.

Are you really that unaware of that, or is it your real intention to get people to focus on bashing Israel?

You could have picked up the ball I gave you and turned this into a real Organ Trafficking discussion.

Got it completely off the people bash Israel stuff.

Open a thread that says People Bash Israel, there is usually one once a month or so, the boards are due, but let people discuss the topic for crying out loud.

Thanks.

[edit on 7/8/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Hey people saying this happens in other countries like china:
GO MAKE A THREAD ABOUT IT THEN
THIS thread is about an Israeli organ trafficking ring, and has NOTHING to do with antisemitism.

Click here for more information.

reply to post by chips

It's no use with ProtoplasmicTraveler - he's a cringeworthy, Israel-obsessed fruit cake.

"When you have no basis for your argument abuse the plaintiff"

`Marcus Cicero`

Organ trafficking is a serious issue that affects the health of the donors when it is carried out through unlawful channels, and prevents the most needy of donors and recipients from a fair exchange taking place as a result.

There is no denying that Israel criminal ellements are heavily involved in the market, as news story after news story, criminal investigation after criminal investigation, and indictment after indictment has proven this to be true.

Could it be this is why you would prefer to discuss me than the topic?

Me thinks so!

Thanks for posting.

[edit on 7/8/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]