Hidden Hand Message - Law Of One - Discussion!

Originally posted by HarryJoy
reply to post by AdonaiChristBless

 

All I can do is hold onto faith that I won't be deceived. There is no way anyone can decipher the truth from all available information. I only want to see the creators will done on this earth. I do not want to see this present life perpetuated in any way. One thing that is a very intense test for me is the fact that there seems to be a natural substance that acts as a catalyst to my understanding. All the things that have been programmed into me tell me that it should not be that way. Yet on a deep level It seems that such a circumstance would afford a very deep test. A test in which I have to go entirely on faith or intuition. I will be glad when I enter into His rest. I am very weary of the testing. I only want his unveiled presence.

Indeed no way but God knows the Truth, empty your cup and align with God and you will know the Truth that is the key, no human can ever hold the Truth only in sacrifice of self can one align with Truth.

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Originally posted by sphinx551
reply to post by AdonaiChristBless

 

1. Does the power of prayer really work?

Yes if intention is pure in asking but one must allow rather than try do.

2. Is it wrong trying to convert people of other faith/religion, like Christian missionaries are doing?

Yes, because they contain distortion which further conditions the mind of the receiptant

3. Will being an atheist and/or not following/practicing any religion "hurt" the person in the long run?

Yes as does peoples believes displayed in this very thread.

4. Is there ever going to be another person like Jesus or Buddha in the future?

Already is some now on earth, but there mission is difficult.

Thank you.

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Originally posted by HarryJoy
reply to post by AdonaiChristBless

 

Does Lucifer/Yahweh correlate to Male/Female ? I have many strong intuitions regardding the role being played by the female side. They may be creating what they want by manipulation ( with good intentions). Although I think they may be apprehensive about what they have created. Scared and excited at the same time.

the concept you speak of is the only divine duality but is unified before returning to the One, More so good and evil within people the demon and the angel but the macrocosms of yourself are playing rolls as teachers to themself, it is the consequence of those fallen to learn the hard way. You have eternity to learn your lessons and must learn to discern those who are dangerous to your progress 'example is unity99 very distorted'.

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Nevermind, I find this link too alarmist, and posted tongue in cheek really. So I'm deleting it.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by LeoVirgo

Originally posted by Annee
Someone please explain to me what Duality means.

Honestly - I do not know what this terminology means.

I would assume most see it as having opposites to what many consider to be 'good things'. Like having a opposite to love (hate)...or opposite to giving (taking)...or opposite to truth (lie).

But in the color spectrum...black and white is just a color

Ying & Yang?

I like to get viewpoints on terminologies. Because not everyone has the same understanding.

And Im sure there are different understandings. Funny enough....my brother and I talked about this idea last night. I mentioned the color thing to him too....that black and white were both just colors.

He was like....well technically, they are both not a color....one is all of the colors together...and one is no color at all, void of color.

And I was like....hmmmmmm

So he brought a perspective I did not consider, in the color idea. Which made me think further....is there more to this.

Are we dealing with a mix of fullness and void? Could that be what duality is> Is hate, just the lack of love? Is lies, just the lack of truth (a void of something)? Ect.....

But yin and yang is much more simpler. I dont have to stretch my mind that much with just yin and yang.

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Im sorry if I didnt understand your posts the right way it was intended My mind is a bit crazed due to a day early of tricker treating for hours tonight (instead of tomarrow night) and I have still not came down from the madness

Are you saying that miracles...would be an example of a random example?

Im still not sure that I have accepted miracles to be as what others think they are. I think all things that happen, have a understanding behind them. We may not see the 'reason' for the seemingly random act of what seems to be a miracle....but we also do not fully understand the works of the human body and mind together yet either.

You could try to give what you feel is a example of a miracle, that was willed by God and not through the thoughts of man....something you see specifically as a miracle.

Originally posted by LeoVirgo

So he brought a perspective I did not consider, in the color idea. Which made me think further....is there more to this.

Are we dealing with a mix of fullness and void? Could that be what duality is> Is hate, just the lack of love? Is lies, just the lack of truth (a void of something)? Ect.....

But yin and yang is much more simpler. I dont have to stretch my mind that much with just yin and yang.

Love your post/story.

Ah yes - - rather then hear/see/read in linear - - I try to go more for a spherical approach.

reply to post by Unity_99


I see one as a catalyst for the other. I don't see how one can advance without the resistance of the other. If a King is to show Himself strong he must overcome strong enemies. If God is to be glorified in our eyes he must have a fitting counterpart. I have even wondered if the Whore of Babylon is the bride of Christ. He is the only one strong enough to overcome her and to cause her to become submissive and she posesses within her the intensity of desire and the appettite for consumption that only He can satisfy. In the seed phase he made himself completely empty of self thereby establishing himself as dominant in the inverted phase.

life itself is the miracle, it's not a thought by man as being god, it's gods own will and design, created for purpose as aid, for guidence of self and souls journey through life, souls challenge through senses of body and mind. faith comes from thought, but it also comes from other as sense and given to all in different ways.

miracles are made known not only to those that ask as thought, and not always as reasons given by answers. for soul is only as path to god, not of one as power by being god. mans power by will is not by thought or soul as action, for god already exists through all of existance, and is that power of life which provides each a taste of faith and belief to path of rightessness found within all. soul of man is a battle between good and evil, each in play and side of choosing, mans will and thought is not god, and power not always found as god. belief then may start with a miracle and not as thought.

not given as fact. for man does not live as god.

yin and yang has each side a part of opposite interwined as whole of either side of choosing.

There is nothing to do as there is no doer.
It has happened already.
The fact that there is a running commentary means nothing.
The commentary is not it.
Without the words.
This isness is it.

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I think there was ample knowledge in the Hidden_Hand conversation that took place. From what I have read of this AdonaiChristBless fellow I am not sure of my opinion other then improper grammar and a change in conversational flow. Not exactly sure whom he claims to represent but if S/He was a member of the factions I would hope they would present themselves better and not try to hang people up on the God/Devil racket that contradicts the original message. How do the 9 feel about this Adonai? I am curious to the fear mongering that is being spread instead of altruism and love of all.. YVWH is one aspect(of many) of divine energy trying to experience what it is like to experience itself and experience creating. What it is like to exist and be recognized, just as the main Creator exist solely to know what it is like to exist. May we all expand our love until it becomes Ain Soph Aur.

Originally posted by ANSPHAR
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

I think there was ample knowledge in the Hidden_Hand conversation that took place. From what I have read of this AdonaiChristBless fellow I am not sure of my opinion other then improper grammar and a change in conversational flow. Not exactly sure whom he claims to represent but if S/He was a member of the factions I would hope they would present themselves better and not try to hang people up on the God/Devil racket that contradicts the original message. How do the 9 feel about this Adonai? I am curious to the fear mongering that is being spread instead of altruism and love of all.. YVWH is one aspect(of many) of divine energy trying to experience what it is like to experience itself and experience creating. What it is like to exist and be recognized, just as the main Creator exist solely to know what it is like to exist. May we all expand our love until it becomes Ain Soph Aur.

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Fools dont get it that simple, hence you are a fool and dont get it. You speak mroe nonsense which keeps people stuck in these lower density longer. You like the many fools call warnings fear mongering when in truth it is a understanding of cosmic laws and a act of love to share the knowledge to help other self avoid consequence but it is their choice.

I do not want your love it is like drinking from a poisoned well, no thankyou I will drink from divine love only not interest in 'Your' love a distortion against the divine love.

Actually you are fallen and being punished but the punishment is your own making cause of selfish desires, you asked for it and it was created now wallow in it until you learn your lessons for eternity, the karma cycles are perfect for learning in, sadly means for every pleasure their is a pain, you can remain in this duality for as long as you like and continue with your 'freewill' .

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Originally posted by redgy
life itself is the miracle, it's not a thought by man as being god, it's gods own will and design, created for purpose as aid, for guidence of self and souls journey through life, souls challenge through senses of body and mind. faith comes from thought, but it also comes from other as sense and given to all in different ways.

miracles are made known not only to those that ask as thought, and not always as reasons given by answers. for soul is only as path to god, not of one as power by being god. mans power by will is not by thought or soul as action, for god already exists through all of existance, and is that power of life which provides each a taste of faith and belief to path of rightessness found within all. soul of man is a battle between good and evil, each in play and side of choosing, mans will and thought is not god, and power not always found as god. belief then may start with a miracle and not as thought.

not given as fact. for man does not live as god.

yin and yang has each side a part of opposite interwined as whole of either side of choosing.

I see where you are coming from. I have just a tad different perspective of 'miracle' and the soul of man.

I think there is nothing outside of God...that God IS the very makeup of the design...within every thing from mineral to man. Very quantum. God, the very essence of life and this design...can work through the science of its emanations. Healing, ect...may have a very scientific working beyond mankind's understanding...but to God, it has a process, it has a understanding, it has a working, so I guess I dont consider something like healing to be a 'supernatural' thing that this 'outside god' just chooses to 'give' through a means of 'and poof, there it is'. I would think that this essence of life, the Holy Spirit can work through a very quantum means, to bring forth what we would call miracles. Im not so much a believer of 'a outside god' intervening.....but I do believe in the power of thought, because we are like a cell to Gods body, and by working through being a part of an expression of Thee, we can bring forth power, like healing. A humble, honest mind, that has faith in creating healing, could maybe have such possibilities. I dont think we have been able to observe enough to KNOW if also, the placebo effect could REALLY induce possibilities, like healing. I have read some really cook things about people that think they are taking a pill that will get rid of their brain tumor....had a really high rate of their tumors disappearing.

I do not think that our souls are in a battle between good and evil. For nothing exists outside of God....but in a existence where God is not obvious....many illusions arise and we as 'individuals' thinking we are OUR OWN BEING create words of the duality we see and experience. If something serves a purpose in the DIVINE DESIGN AND PLAN.....can it be EVIL? Think about that.

Is it just our perspective we created the spectrum of duality...creating a 'good and evil' spectrum?

Its hard to look at a bigger picture and imagine how God could be using and needing, all the things that are occurring and have occurred. If something needs to be sifted and needs to learn how to be a conscious choices with our own will.....how can we make choices and sift what 'path that is'....if we dont have both sides of the coin to compare each path to?

How would you know...that good is good...that love is of value, that compassion is great to behold...a better way to try to be and become....if you did not have the other side of these things to compare to. Not only are we given these trials as individuals....we see things in the world that help us reach a united understanding of a 'path that is'. We can look and see what we have learned from people like Hitler, or even the people in the Bible that thought it was right to kill others....and you need to ask yourself, did they have a right to kill, was it out of reason I refuse to see that they did this...could it of been out of 'pride' of thinking they were chosen (better then others) that they killed people?

Without someone killing Martin Luther King....would we of really known his love and faith, in united acceptance in colors? Of course, I am not saying, he had to die or that is what had to happen or should of happened......but it does show us, similar to the path of Jesus....what they were willing to do....they were willing to live for a purpose beyond their life of flesh....a purpose of love and acceptance, putting away prides. They stood up for people, but did so in a humble way of non violence. They sacrificed their own lives....for something they believed in.

In those 2 beings....we see a seemingly evil and good. But...with both of those having a 'killer and one being killed'.....we have a discernment we can make, of a path that is and a path that is not...courage can be found to live for something you believe in. Faith can be formed, to live for things of the 'unseen' then things of the 'seen. So I see it as more of a battle between what is real and what is illusion....and what the illusion IS...seems to us to be what is real...so it is confusing. We cant see Spirit, but its far more real then the thing we can see, touch, smell, ect. For the things our senses take it....are the illusion, for they do have a beginning and end...they are not eternal nor infinite. As we go through this life, thinking so much of this is reality...and not seeing 'TRUE LIFE'...we make many wrong discernment of 'what to live for'. But....we NEED this, it woudl NOT BE so if it was not meant for the great design by God....somehow, God uses this seemingly reality, for us as expressions of Thee....to bring forth a 'perfect expression'.

As we think of an 'idea'....the idea seems to be very much 'ours'. As we put forth that idea into the 'working mind' to connect possibilities to that idea....its still 'of us'. As I can take a idea that I mulled over in my working mind the possibilities and potentials I have to bring it to frutation....I can produce a created/emanated event, object, ect. Someone could come by, look at the event, object, and not have any clue its 'of me' or 'came through me'....for that is not obvious. I could even claim to them "I made this, it was my idea' but they dont even have to believe me do they? Some may believe me, and some may say 'yeah right'.

Similar to this world, this emanation, this 'manifestation'. God is within it all....for it began as 'Gods idea'. It was all first like a 'thought' to Thee and before it manifested....the 'final prime image' of the manifestation/creation/emanation....was already held there in the 'mind of God'. The plan may not be obvious to us, for we see many separate pieces and not a ONE finished product of 'Gods idea'.

We may not see all the 'ways' the seemingly miracles occur...but it may be very scientific in the laws of this universe. We may not see the 'need' of 'use' of the seemingly 'evil and good' to be here in this experience....but it doesnt mean that God does not and I have a big issue thinking that this world is somehow a mistake, a error of something that was perfect, something that was not meant to be. For in that idea.....that 'evil' was never meant to be experienced here....then we have issues of 'is God perfect or not'. God had to of known....and free will is not an excuse, even God would of known that beings having free will would of eventually got bitten by the bug of CURIOSITY.

Take a piece of chocolate...and place it on the table and try to lvea the room with a child in the room and tell them to not touch the chocolate. Im sure you can reason that eventually, the child is going to eat that chocolate. To make a being with desires...and put something in front of them that is desirable....and tell them not to touch it....is one of the craziest 'plans' of Gods creation I have ever heard in my life. Even as a kid, I shook my head at this.

We have many tests...and if we seek hard enough, honest enough, humble enough, the God within us is going to lead the way instead of our 'seemingly self' body of flesh. Slowly over time...just like it takes a long time to take grapes and process them for a good wine...things start to sift out, the pulp, the skins, ect...start to sift out, and a pure perfect expression will come into 'being'.

Its not so much of God 'chose' to create.....its more like God is always 'being' and how can you 'be' without expression. Can you 'be' without expressing?

It just is.

Edit to add....Im not trying to say this is the right way of seeing things, Im just sharing my limited understanding of it all. And I thank all who share theirs as well.

Originally posted by HarryJoy
reply to post by Unity_99

 

I see one as a catalyst for the other. I don't see how one can advance without the resistance of the other. If a King is to show Himself strong he must overcome strong enemies. If God is to be glorified in our eyes he must have a fitting counterpart. I have even wondered if the Whore of Babylon is the bride of Christ. He is the only one strong enough to overcome her and to cause her to become submissive and she posesses within her the intensity of desire and the appettite for consumption that only He can satisfy. In the seed phase he made himself completely empty of self thereby establishing himself as dominant in the inverted phase.

What character of a king is better?

The one that lays down his own life for others to live....

Or the one that kills others, while some can live....

Is there any different worth here?

I would love for people to read this....

learningtogive.org...

ONLY after you read it ALL....come tell me who was the TRUE KING

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I never did like the word duality, its just a term really. But I don't believe Lucifer or God exists. Eternal souls progressing do.

In a Holographic Interactive Reality, akin to a dvd player/computer system, which is what I believe this cosmos to me, many things are just program running in the system. Like our hormones, in our biosuits/bodies. We're hardwired to react if someone hurts us, for example, there is greed, sickness, the illusion of death.

All a duality means to me is, that overcoming the world, becoming loving, and peaceful, and a good problem solver, and not engaging in arguments, for example, but modeling unconditional love even in disagreements, yearning for equality amongst people, is akin to the fish swimming upstream. But we also have help, and many experience daily miracles, prayers are answered often, and even stubborn difficulties can be overcome. We're to turn our weakensses into strengths.

Now, no matter what we believe, and not only does everyone on this thread have a different belief, but even amongst church goers, many have their own version of religious belief, its the intent of our hearts and behavior, that matter the most. Yeshua/Jesus is perhaps the best example. And he demonstrated the most heroic love, service to others, and also, to so shine your light before men.

We are tested everday in this school. So the duality is the test. Can we overcome our reactiveness and feelings, temptations, and still model love? But the outcome is what get graded on. The outcome is not the duality. Ie, some who passed, or some who failed, ie. polarization. That is not the duality. Conceivable there are planets where everyone passes the tests in a positive way, and they're called euotpias. They exist. So the polarization is not the goal, the ultimate goal is everyone grows in love.

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The idea that you dont believe in a 'creator' or a 'god' (I use that term loosely) would explain your entire foundation of what you believe in that we are all eternal souls in progression infinity.

What if ETMAN told you he believed in a 'creator/emanator/one spirit'....would you then consider this possibility?

Im just saying, if someone you had high faith it (which I can see you hold high faith in what ETMAN says) would you consider stretching your mind for this idea?

What is hard for many to understand is the concept of Infinity, for we are programmed to think in finite. Things have a beginning and an ending. I had not really thought of Infinity, at all either, but Infinity was something I immediately understood once I did. For there is no beginning or ending in infinities, and every moment, word, thought, action, exists at one point or another in No Time, where all things in the endless Infinity simultaneously.

Soul/Consciousness progresses eternally by default. Soul is a different than the energy that appear as the matter around us, the illusion of reality. That is just streams of energy in a television station, where there infinite channels. The universe is pixels or a blueprint, like a printer dot matrix, and energy streams, and energy configurations, and the sunlight/projector erects this 2d type situaton into 3d into a shared hollogram in our minds. Its a technology construct by Higher Consciousness.

How do souls exist? Where do they come from since consciousness exists in an infinity, infinitely? I've heard one say, its like the chicken and the egg, which came first, and the answer is they both existed infinitely. I had this brief flicker in my mind that both the Infinite Void, and the Infinite Something also had to exist for, every possibility had to be at the same time, but there is no beginning, or ending, and NO LOCALITY. No midway point, no 90%, for how do you determine a percent of infinity? We never stop learning.

Since everyone in Infinity is Infinite, if you plucked a part of your soul and created a baby soul, note you souls is Infinite and Progressing, so a tiny part, say, 0.0000000000000001%.........of Infinity, that new person, akin to your child, would have always existed, that moment could never be located in the Infinity, for there is no Locality and nothing can be pinpointed in "time", there is always an Infinity behind us, and an Infinity ahead at each point of action. This new person would exist Infinitely in both directions, and their Infinity would equal yours. The child would be equal to the parent in infinite volume and progression, eventually, for we all reach a similar level. Thus explain God, or One? Infinity equalizes everyone.

The fact that we have a wonderful Loving Family ahead in progression, looking over us now, in this school, and that graduation is positivity and love, is that this is progression and happiness.

Since we have an Infinite length of time to get this right, and even by random chance, all souls mathematically do get it right at "time" or another, this means, we're all out the other side, progressed to more adult like form. We all make it in the "end" where there is no "end", for there never was a "beginning"!

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ET_MAN can speak for himself, and very well, but you should reread what he's posted. For that is word he doesnt use, due to the Infinity. On page 46 or 48, he made those two long posts that were the best spiritual metaphysics posts I'd ever read. One day, this portion of ourselves, in this "time" where there is no time, after passing the tests will be living equally as true adults and Family, with no need for God, or the concept of one.

If he were to change his mind, I would never walk away from the downloads and understanding my Higher Self gave me when I reached into the Infinity in my soul, and had those experiences.

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Im not suggesting there was a beginning to what is infinite...Im suggesting that there was a beginning to YOU. A time when YOU became an 'I' in experience. Im suggesting YOU are ONLY a unique EXPRESSION of the ONE that is infinite.

Just as you express yourself and your attributes in many different ways...there is still only ONE you. Then take that idea and go bigger.

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The person who was born, without memories, or the me inside? Since I was a young child examing coming here, I recalled being a shooting star, or a beam of light, feeling just like the me I feel like when I am calm and looking within, reaching my inner true state, and as I child I knew that as well, and beamed into this dark warm, rosy snuggly place.

This is just an avatar, experiencing amnesia briefly, though I have small glimpses of the "past". We all have the curtain lift and will remember all the roles we played, have full return of memories.