Please remember not to vote!

Originally posted by InfaRedMan

Originally posted by MrsBlonde

I don't mean not voting as in I don't believe in voting ,or I don't care about the issues I mean not voting as a form of non-violent protest because no matter who you vote for the things as they are continue to deteriorate

OK... There are far more constructive things you can do to protest, such as raising peoples awareness of your grievances. Bringing them into the light. Create a group and fight pro-actively against those things.

And you can nominate and campaign for your own candidate.

Originally posted by LeftWingLarry

Originally posted by InfaRedMan

Originally posted by MrsBlonde

I don't mean not voting as in I don't believe in voting ,or I don't care about the issues I mean not voting as a form of non-violent protest because no matter who you vote for the things as they are continue to deteriorate

OK... There are far more constructive things you can do to protest, such as raising peoples awareness of your grievances. Bringing them into the light. Create a group and fight pro-actively against those things.

And you can nominate and campaign for your own candidate.

Peter Schiff is a multi-million dollar successful businessman. He is also raising funds for is election campaign. The point is that you need HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars to begin to make a difference. This is not an option for 99% of the population.

Even if a candidate that really does want to make a difference manages to get elected. Not one person has been elected and made a real change to the established order. Those that try will be (coincidentally) stopped by a crazy, lone gunman, the onset of a heart condition or depression leading to 'suicide'.

The game is rigged (language warning):



[edit on 6-8-2010 by Pentothal]

I'm not saying that not voting is the only thing to do .I have been very politically active and will continue to so. Of course lots of people will turn out to vote ,but as I has stressed there are factions within the government that require CONSENT that is important to know ,they do not require consent on every issue and policy they require consent to be the one who carries out the Policies ,if the policies and laws harm you ,oh well you gave your consent ,BY VOTING


that doesn't by any means ,mean you can't join a cause volunteer for sign up for Military service write letters go to Town Halls or whatever you need to do ,I'm sure there are lots of people who vote and don't do anything else

so the laziness and apathy goes both ways doesn't it so I guess I should qualify that and say don't vote Fedaerally,I'm all for local and State involvement. I 've been referring to the Feds here ,so yeah ,that's and important distinction
and voting

It is simple.

There ARE things that one can change by the vote.

These things are relatively superficial in the context of the wider society and global events.

Bailouts (another one this fall - you can do nothing about), wars, allocation of resources, 'aid' or YOUR tax dollars being given to foreign nations (not food and humanitarian aid but missiles and bombs), the wholesale outsourcing of the labour force, big business... these you have never been able to and will never be able to influence. NEVER.

How often the trash is collected, how the streets are swept clean or local education resources are some of the things you may be able to influence.

There IS going to be another bailout. There was anger in the town hall meetings at the last bailout. So what! It still happened! What ya going to do huh?... That's right... nada...zip...nothing....NOTHING!

You are going to vote Republican this time.... lol... my... that will change everything.... lol. They are both one and the same. THE SAME.

The republicans LIED (and maybe worse) to get the US population to back war. On the TV they use the sick dumbed down language and analogy of a sports game to describe war on the news. They (the government of the day) will do this again with Iran. The Democrats said that they would end the war as soon as they were elected. They were elected. They did not withdraw from Iraq. They lied. Lies, lies, lies, lies... and people continue to vote because...?

Idiots vote.

Change through non participation.

I WILL NOT give a mandate to act in my name.



[edit on 6-8-2010 by Pentothal]

Originally posted by Pentothal
Peter Schiff is a multi-million dollar successful businessman. He is also raising funds for is election campaign. The point is that you need HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars to begin to make a difference. This is not an option for 99% of the population.

Even if a candidate that really does want to make a difference manages to get elected. Not one person has been elected and made a real change to the established order. Those that try will be (coincidentally) stopped by a crazy, lone gunman, the onset of a heart condition or depression leading to 'suicide'.

In America, maybe. Most of the rest of the civilised world seems to manage it easily enough; Margaret Thatcher being a reasonable example from here in the UK.

Originally posted by Pentothal

Originally posted by LeftWingLarry

Originally posted by InfaRedMan

Originally posted by MrsBlonde

I don't mean not voting as in I don't believe in voting ,or I don't care about the issues I mean not voting as a form of non-violent protest because no matter who you vote for the things as they are continue to deteriorate

OK... There are far more constructive things you can do to protest, such as raising peoples awareness of your grievances. Bringing them into the light. Create a group and fight pro-actively against those things.

And you can nominate and campaign for your own candidate.

Peter Schiff is a multi-million dollar successful businessman. He is also raising funds for is election campaign. The point is that you need HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars to begin to make a difference. This is not an option for 99% of the population.

Even if a candidate that really does want to make a difference manages to get elected. Not one person has been elected and made a real change to the established order. Those that try will be (coincidentally) stopped by a crazy, lone gunman, the onset of a heart condition or depression leading to 'suicide'.

The game is rigged (language warning):

[edit on 6-8-2010 by Pentothal]

Thank you for that Pent.
Comedy does have it's sad face dosn't it. Now I have to ask you all. We
all know that comedy is an allie to the truth. If you didn't know it you do now. Dosn't this enrage you? Make you realise we have to do something differtent? Together? Please Please Please remember not to vote. tell everyone yoiu know. Throw eggs where they register people. No violence is needed. Just disrupt the entire broken system. It sucks anyway.
I'm throwing eggs every where I see any thing to do with politics .

[edit on 6-8-2010 by randyvs]

[edit on 6-8-2010 by randyvs]

reply to post by Godz Enigma

It's not a democracy, it's picking between... eating chit or eating chit with corn in it.

Lol no laughing matter really but I did laugh out loud at that. Very well said.

I've decided, no post will go without at least one star, because I believe,m every opinion ,on every level or aspect, of this topic is important.

[edit on 6-8-2010 by randyvs]

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
reply to post by randyvs

 

So in other words randy, to elicit change, we should do nothing? You didn't really think this one through did you mate!

IRM

At the risk of embarrassing you. What is there to think through? This is a no brainer Pard. Your vote is chit. You can't deny that. Wipe withit, cast it, all the same. Deny it! Let me see you deny it in writing. I don't think you want to make a fool of yourself do you?

Voting sucks.

It is the best system of all the ones found.

Notice the "don't vote" people don't actually give a reasonable other option.

They do not promote solutions - just destruction.

There are more than two options - which is what is often depicted and is slight of hand.

Seeing those other options, or MAKING them is up to you.

Non-participation in the only system found so far to honour all stakeholders in any way is suicide.

I would never listen to these people. They would have a world run like Somalia, or run by religion, or by a King. None of which has proved successful for anyone but the ruling few with no exceptions.

What your system has that no other has accomplished is - class mobility, protection of the individual in the face of the group.

You will never have a system that honours ONLY the individual. Logically, a group will always have the use of force on its side, and history proves they will use it.

There is not only two choices - THAT is the magician's trick in your system. It is the parent presenting the toddler with the choice of blue pants or red pants. The fact is, the drawers and the closet are full of other choices.

reply to post by Aeons

There is not only two choices - THAT is the magician's trick in your system. It is the parent presenting the toddler with the choice of blue pants or red pants. The fact is, the drawers and the closet are full of other choices

I'm sorry Mam. No matter how much I wish what you are saying was true. You are absolutly wrong. Voting dosn't suck. The game is rigged and that does suck Mam. respectfully of course.



Click the blue lettering please.



Anybody worth voting for gets a bullet.

[edit on 6-8-2010 by randyvs]

Originally posted by Aeons
Voting sucks.

It is the best system of all the ones found.

You equate the system we have now with the 'ideal' voting system. The system we have now provides us with meaningless choices. Voters select from options that offer NO CHANGE. It is not the mechanics of voting that is the problem. The act of voting gives credence and provides the system with a mandate that is gained via a slight of hand. It is a con game.

Notice the "don't vote" people don't actually give a reasonable other option.

They do not promote solutions - just destruction.

There are more than two options - which is what is often depicted and is slight of hand.

Seeing those other options, or MAKING them is up to you.

You miss the point completely. The issue I have is that there is no way to change the system from with it. NONE. The opposite is happening right now. Those that have been elected are removing individual rights at an ever increasing rate. Yet people still do NOTHING.

Non-participation in the only system found so far to honour all stakeholders in any way is suicide.

Wrong, so wrong. If a government was elected by 10% or 15% of the population, they would have no mandate. They would have no rights to govern. It would be a sham for everyone to see on the world stage.

I would never listen to these people. They would have a world run like Somalia, or run by religion, or by a King. None of which has proved successful for anyone but the ruling few with no exceptions.

Just garbage. A slur.

You will never have a system that honours ONLY the individual. Logically, a group will always have the use of force on its side, and history proves they will use it.

The system we have exists to provide the illusion of participation and choice, nothing more. I would settle for a system where those we vote for REFLECT THE OPINONS OF THE VOTERS. The fact is, those in power come to the people 6 months before the election promising the world and then run laughing to do as they please for 3 years afterwards. The idiot population continue this rotten system by participating in it.

There is (are) not only two choices - THAT is the magician's trick in your system. It is the parent presenting the toddler with the choice of blue pants or red pants. The fact is, the drawers and the closet are full of other choices.

Where? A choice has to be realistic and deliver on its promise, not just a meaningless option on a piece of paper that serves only to fulfill the definition of a 'choice'.
People believe that when they vote that the people elected will serve them. This is how it is supposed to be. It is in practice the other way around. The people in power manage their electorate and carry their public opinion along with the wider agenda. They do not reflect the wishes of the electorate; they manage them and implement the wider macro agenda.

It is not 'the system of voting' that is at fault, it is our system of voting that is a rigged game.

[edit on 7-8-2010 by Pentothal]

Originally posted by randyvs

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
reply to post by randyvs

 

So in other words randy, to elicit change, we should do nothing? You didn't really think this one through did you mate!

IRM

At the risk of embarrassing you. What is there to think through? This is a no brainer Pard. Your vote is chit. You can't deny that. Wipe withit, cast it, all the same. Deny it! Let me see you deny it in writing. I don't think you want to make a fool of yourself do you?

Write somebody you actually agree with in.

Whether they win or not is irrelevant. It sends more of a 'message' than doing nothing at all.

Originally posted by Pentothal
Wrong, so wrong. If a government was elected by 10% or 15% of the population, they would have no mandate. They would have no rights to govern. It would be a sham for everyone to see on the world stage.

We live in a world where one of the biggest, most powerful countries isn't even a democracy. You really think the international community would care that the American people can't be bothered to get up and vote?

reply to post by LeftWingLarry

Whether they win or not is irrelevant. It sends more of a 'message' than doing nothing at all.

If anybody actually looks at your vote, it's to see if you voted for the winner.

reply to post by vasaga


Yes indeed Thank you Vasaga.

Originally posted by LeftWingLarry

Originally posted by Pentothal
Wrong, so wrong. If a government was elected by 10% or 15% of the population, they would have no mandate. They would have no rights to govern. It would be a sham for everyone to see on the world stage.

We live in a world where one of the biggest, most powerful countries isn't even a democracy. You really think the international community would care that the American people can't be bothered to get up and vote?

The fact is, there ARE elections and these votes are taken as a mandate to govern by those that get a majority.

Since voting can not influence change on any meaningful issue then not voting on mass seems like the only way to communicate the dissatisfaction of the populous peacefully.

Voting will not stop any war, invasion, bailout or multi-trillion dollar socialist spending plan that enslaves the grandchildren of today’s voters with a life of debt. Even if one can not stop this, by not voting you do not condone it by giving the system credibility via participation.

If a president was elected by a majority, after elections where only 12% of the population actually voted, how could that person address the nation? 88% of people did not even participate and they did this because they believed that the system had failed. How could they lecture the world on democracy when they themselves had no mandate.

It would not be laziness or apathy, but an active rejection of a system of illusory choice.


Also...

Reply to: vasaga

Great video.... Exactly what I have been saying. S&F.

[edit on 7-8-2010 by Pentothal]

Originally posted by LeftWingLarry

Originally posted by Pentothal
Wrong, so wrong. If a government was elected by 10% or 15% of the population, they would have no mandate. They would have no rights to govern. It would be a sham for everyone to see on the world stage.

We live in a world where one of the biggest, most powerful countries isn't even a democracy. You really think the international community would care that the American people can't be bothered to get up and vote?

the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result

I did recommend what to do instead but the the" let's vote for the same corrupt predators " crowd didn't see it

so Larry there's more to being a citizen than participating in and obvious charade that only shows you're a sheep

I have been heavily involved in my local political process
I have also time and time again given the example of Seattle where I used to live getting the right to raise small livestock anywhere in the city by simply doing it

so many people had already done this that the city council could nothing but simply admit that the vast majority of people there wanted to do this
that's an example so instead of voting do two things

send letters I always recommend sending letters of approval

such as Dear Senator so and so Thank you for your strong stand in protecting the Mustangs ,please know you have my full support in this matter
yours truly ME

or dissent

or Dear Senator so and so words cannot express my disappointment and revulsion of your support for a horse slaughter plant in my City
you perhaps have forgotten that your own legislative body has as recently as 2007 enacted a resolution BANNING horse slaughter in the US ,here is a copy of that law (supply copy)

I urge you to rethink your position on this matter to conform with the obvious will of the public nation wide
yours truly me


so to recap

Do what you know is right regardless

participate in the DISSENT PROCESS

and make sure that any elected officials who do stand up get supported

so that's three things,but of course after you vote your job is done sounds to me like I shouldn't care so much
it's alot of extra work really ,

I should be like be like voters their so called patriotism stops at the voting both. How convenient they can turn a blind eye to corruption and destruction and pat themselves on the back and cast self righteous judgments on nonvoters

I think they're to lazy/cowardly to get involved and take a stand

I also email the White House regularly I bet you don't want to do that because you're probably afraid the the government that you voted for
will put you on a watch list

reply to post by MrsBlonde


I'm encouraged by the prospects this thread is showing. I tell you the truth, I thought I would be flamed from hell to breakfast for this one.
People must be sick of this bullSchlitz. God it is about time.

We need to march on Washington. "The people "need to march on Washington. The cops and the military need to understand what it is we intend to do They nheed to join us. Take back our country or die because that's what they are planning for us obviously. No employment for it's people. What the hell this is just
plain stupid and nothing but.
Take our rights, take our jobs, take our freedom. TAKE OUR LIVES.
Who do we vote for to save our asses this time?
Ether we go for it and maybe die. Or we die .

It's obvious they even want us to make a move. They don't think we have the brains to make the right move.

reply to post by MrsBlonde


Because obviously you can't do those things and vote.

The more people vote and write their own candidate in, the more votes 'they' need to win.