mosque near ground zero greenlighted

reply to post by Quasar_La-Zar

Quasar_La-Zar,

It is ignorant things like your post that strengthens my believe that trouble will surely follow the construction of this building.

Why not try flinging a couple of gallons of pig's blood at the entrance when it's opened?? They like to do it over here where I live.....

I swear, history will keep repeating itself over and over and over and over...

Peace

reply to post by operation mindcrime

Originally posted by operation mindcrome
Why not try flinging a couple of gallons of pig's blood at the entrance when it's opened?? They like to do it over here where I live.

Really! Somebody threw pig's blood at you? Why?

reply to post by MY2Commoncentsworth

MY2Commoncentsworth,



No...nobody through pig's blood at me!! Some degenerates living in my country (The Netherlands) apparently think it's a nice way of expressing their discontent with the Muslim community by smearing their house of prayer with pigs blood at night (the cowards) and leave pig heads at the entrance.

That is a well thought out way of objecting to something, wouldn't you say?

Peace

[edit on 6-8-2010 by operation mindcrime]

There is a lot to object to when it comes to radical Islam. Like it's predecessor religions, Judaism and Christianity, Islam is bigoted, war mongering and worships violence. Like the Torah and the Bible, if one was to follow the Qu'ran literally, they would incite violence and death upon anybody who sneezed incorrectly.

Thankfully, most people in either three of those religions tend to not take it literally. They follow their own spirituality in the framework of that religion. We shouldn't lash out on the general populace because the radicals do something crazy.

reply to post by operation mindcrime

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
MY2Commoncentsworth,

No...nobody through pig's blood at me!! Some degenerates living in my country (The Netherlands) apparently think it's a nice way of expressing their discontent with the Muslim community by smearing their house of prayer with pigs blood at night (the cowards) and leave pig heads at the entrance.

That is a well thought out way of objecting to something, wouldn't you say?

That is disgraceful. It sounds to me like it was some teenagers sick prank. But I do not think that Quasar_La-Zars posts were intended to cause that kind of grief.....I thought they were humorous myself....the bit with the remote controlled airplanes.

But going into service and seeing a pigs head would shock the hell out of me. That kind of thing is truly hateful....lets hope if was just stupid kids that did it.

reply to post by WolfofWar


Well said cancer man. But there is to much distrust of Muslims by many in the West because we never hear from any Muslims condemning this sort of thing.

Originally posted by sweetliberty
You might not like it! But I'm all for reading up on both sides of this.....

Best Regards,
sl

Why would I not like that? What I do not like is having someone tell me that the local community does not want it because the local poll does not count, a broader poll needs to be considered. Then when I ask why it matters what people think far away, this person NOT from New York who is against the mosque tells me that no opinions from far away do matter. That is all a little confusing to me. All I said was the local community was for it and I backed that up. Please look up and post all the sides you like.

Originally posted by MY2Commoncentsworth
I hope there is nothing going wrong with all the other mosques in NYC. And let me say first off that I do not believe that all Muslims adhere to the hijacked version of the Qur'an......at least I hope that they do not.

But this is the way that it always starts. It starts off slowly, then it gradually becomes accepted, and civil liberties are slowly eroded.

You have still failed to explain why this mosque will cause problems the other hundred mosques have not caused yet.

Now you might think to yourself, like I have heard others mention here on ATS, that Sharia Law will never become the law of the land in the US..........But then again, who would have thought 9 years ago that a mosque would be built within blocks of Ground Zero?....this is how it starts.

That is just crazy. Sorry but I cannot think of a better word. I never once thought for a moment there would be opposition to any house of worship anyone wanted to build on private property in NYC before or since 9/11.

I never once thought we did away with religious freedom.

Originally posted by MY2Commoncentsworth
we never hear from any Muslims condemning this sort of thing.

What thread am I in again? Oh yeah, the one about the imam who has gone on record to condemn suicide bombings and any violence done in the name of religion.

Maybe there is too much distrust in the West because even when we have moderate Muslims speaking out against violence no one will listen to what they say or believe that they don't have an ulterior motive?

reply to post by WolfofWar

WolfofWar,

My guess.....the first trouble will not be from people following a religion, whether it be fanatic or moderate. It's the :" Them ragheads is building one of them islamhouses on my pappy's grave" crowd that will cause the first incidents...

After that retaliation and after that.......oh well you get the picture.

This is so not about religion or tolerance. It's about being realistic. Even if only 0.01% of the American population is harboring such idiotic thoughts that they are actually willing to take action , then that is still 30.000 idiots willing to cause harm. The only remaining question will be, are they willing to make the trip to NY??

Peace

reply to post by Adevoc Satanae


I understand your point, but my point is not crazy either. Its not about religious freedom, no one is taking that away from Muslims.

It's about common courtesy, civility, being cordial and polite, and not insulting the victims families.

I got to tell you, if I had lost family or friends on 9-11, I would have been banned from this site a long time ago.

Originally posted by Quasar_La-Zar

Okay maybe that wont stop the mosque from being built, but maybe it will keep the people that were going their away

Yeah, all that would accomplish is making you look ignorant, scared, paranoid, uneducated, angry, hateful, and did I mention scared? Unfortunately that would translate to "all Americans" in many minds just as the acts of 19 men translates to all Muslims to you.

How about you just do not worry about it? How far are you going to have to travel just to protest this mosque with your gay pig blood parade? Maybe you should stay home and write a blog instead with your name in big bold letters.

It is hard enough to convince the world all Americans are not angry, stupid, frightened, hill-billies and some of us would appreciate it very much if people like you did little to help promote that image any more.

If you have a legitimate issue with the mosque, then you have a legitimate method of protest. If you have to use an offensive parade to look stupid, then that is what your argument against it becomes.

reply to post by Adevoc Satanae

It is hard enough to convince the world all Americans are not angry, stupid, frightened, hill-billies and some of us would appreciate it very much if people like you did little to help promote that image any more.

It is also not about the majority. The minority will take care of perpetuating this image to the world.....as always with minorities.

Peace

Originally posted by MY2Commoncentsworth
reply to post by Adevoc Satanae

 

I understand your point, but my point is not crazy either. Its not about religious freedom, no one is taking that away from Muslims.

Yes they are. They specifically oppose this house of worship because of the religion, not because it is a house of worship. If it were a Christian church going up, who would be protesting it?

It's about common courtesy, civility, being cordial and polite, and not insulting the victims families.

What country do you think this is? Someone is always going to be upset by someone else. Oh well, too bad, so sad.

I got to tell you, if I had lost family or friends on 9-11, I would have been banned from this site a long time ago.

That is just super!

reply to post by Adevoc Satanae

Adevoc Satanae,

If it were a Christian church going up, who would be protesting it?

If it would be surrounded by such controversy, any normal thinking person wouldn't even consider taken the risk and politely suggest building the church somewhere else. But because we are dealing here with the very touchy subject of Islam, all of a sudden common sense can be dismissed and everybody has to be super-tolerant or else the terrorist win....

It makes no sense.

Peace

[edit on 6-8-2010 by operation mindcrime]

reply to post by americandingbat

Originally posted by americandingbat
What thread am I in again? Oh yeah, the one about the imam who has gone on record to condemn suicide bombings and any violence done in the name of religion.

Maybe there is too much distrust in the West because even when we have moderate Muslims speaking out against violence no one will listen to what they say or believe that they don't have an ulterior motive?

Sorry, but I don't think that Imam is genuine at all. He wont discuss where the money is coming from and he has ties to the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), a terrorist affiliate. Many believe that the mosque is being funded, in part, by terrorist organizations the world over. And many believe that ICNA is funneling that money for the project.

I wouldn't trust that Imam as far as I can spit. He refuses to say where the 100 million is coming from. He could clear this whole thing up right now if he wanted to. But he can't and he won't, for obvious reasons.

His financial disclosure would not stand the light of day.

[edit on 6-8-2010 by MY2Commoncentsworth]

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
If it would be surrounded by such controversy, any normal thinking person wouldn't even consider taken the risk and politely suggest building the church somewhere else. But because we are dealing here with the very touchy subject of Islam, all of a sudden common sense can be dismissed and everybody has to be super-tolerant or else the terrorist win....

It makes no sense.

I have to be honest. Going from the post I replied to, to my reply, to this post of yours makes no sense to me. Sorry.

OMG almost 4'oclock in the morning and I'm still up talking about a silly mosque.

Good night...good night...and good night......or should I say good morning.

reply to post by Adevoc Satanae

Adevoc Satanae,

Although I get the impression you are saying you do not understand to avoid answering the question. I am lacking the time to break it down in sesame-sized chunks so you may understand...

You say a church going up in that location would not cause such uproar while I state that if it was surrounded by the same controversy as this building people would indeed have a problem with it.

Try reading it back a couple of times and take pauses in between for better comprehension.

Peace

Peace

OMG. This has been a trying time for all those who lost family and loved
ones in the 9/11 incident I would imagine.

I personally knew no-one who died in the "attacks" that fateful day and I am quite glad I can look at this from afar without personal bias involved.

To erect a mosque in the vicinity of the site of 9/11 would be foolish for a number of reasons.

1) We should be growing up and realizing that our governments will never stop controlling us to the extent they do now if people were not so weak and realised that as humans we ARE our own people and need not a god to hide behind and "grovel" too. GOVs know this and use religion as a powerful tool against those who believe in god.

2) I personally think that a committee of only victims immediate relatives should be the overall rulers on this issue as they are the ones really paying for 'whoever' did this.


From my perspective and judgmental as it may be the only thing that must be agreed upon is that what ever is built best be nuclear proof.

Or Oboma could build a new Immigration Welcoming Station (IWS) there and use the 5 year old kids Nike employ, to greet newcomers to the country with an amended Bill of Rights document and bag of "pure white" from the good old CIA and a job taken straight from the hands of an American Citizen.