I would rather be a sheep than a man who lives in fear.

why not deal with you fear as it is the causal issue? it originates from the illusion of who you are. if you think all the conspiracies are rough, try unpeeling yourself and seeing how all those layers were keeping 'you' together- don't commit suicide. kill your 'self'.


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Hello, this is Wotan89.

For those who were sympathetic, I thank you for your kindness. For those who were critical of my thread, I thank you for your honesty. I will admit it: I started this thread because I was butthurt by a rabid Alex Jones fanboy. I am better now and I will write down my thoughts with a better grasp of composure.

Basically, my thread was a reply to an Alex Jones fanboy I argued with. I told him that I was becoming more and more skeptical of the "facts" presented by Alex Jones. That is all. If that had been it, this thread would not exist. But he had to be an arsehole and call me a sheep, only because I disagreed with his messiah. And then he told me to lower my pants and recieve David Rockefeller's c*ck in a FEMA camp. I tried to explain the effects Alex Jones's fear mongering had on my equilibrium; but when he heard the word "suicide" in my sentence, he told me that killing myself would be beneficial to humanity, due to the idea that there would "one less sheep to wake up."

I apologise for not stating this earlier. And I also apologise for placing William Cooper on my list. My thread was an attack on Alex Jones and anyone who worshipped the ground he walks on. I am slightly unfamiliar with Mr. Cooper, yet when I found an audio clip of him criticsising Alex Jones, I felt like an idiot for placing any form of blame on him. Sorry.

And yes, I realise it was foolish to blame a certain group of people for my problems. I was steamed and not in the right mindset. That is all I can say. If these people are convinced that they are telling the truth, that is fine. If they are fear mongering for money, they are free to do so. I only hope that they are aware of the effects their theories have on people.

I hope you read my second post, in which I state that I will NOT bend over for ANY politicians. Not even Ron Paul.

When I say sheep, I am referring to the definition of sheep in the minds of the likes of Alex Jones and David Icke, which is someone who does buy into their "facts." In MY mind, I am not a sheep. I do not support our government, nor do I advocate GMOs and forced vaccinations. However, in the minds of many "truthers," I am sheep. If they see me that way, then so be it.

To describe myself, I would say that I am an intermediary between the world of the truthers and the world of the skeptics. While many skeptics blindly refuse to accpet some facts, many truthers live in a frightening world where everything is out to get them.

I hope this helps. Please, if you have more questions, please feel free to ask. Thank you for your time.

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Why are you so hung up with name calling and labels? Who cares what anyone thinks when it comes right down to it - You are you, think for your self.

Why do you have to continue projecting the name calling? (Alex Jones Fanboy).. Who cares?

If you disagree with someone - Why do they have to be "Labeled"?

Where in the hell did you learn this behavior?

Originally posted by Lunchman
reply to post by Wotan89

 

Why are you so hung up with name calling and labels? Who cares what anyone thinks when it comes right down to it - You are you, think for your self.

Why do you have to continue projecting the name calling? (Alex Jones Fanboy).. Who cares?

If you disagree with someone - Why do they have to be "Labeled"?

Where in the hell did you learn this behavior?

When I say "Alex Jones fanboy," I am trying to distance the casual fans from the rabid fans.

"If you disagree with someone - Why do they have to be 'Labeled'?"

What bothers me is that when someone disagrees with a truther, the truther will resort to labeling. But no one complains. However, when a non-truther resorts to labeling, he or she is noted of his or her actions. Yes, I admit to pointless labeling and I am sorry, but people need to aware of the labeling that goes on amongst the truther community. Go to Infowars.com and make threads that disagree with Alex Jones. You will recieve a a whole novel of labels.

I'm a little annoyed at those who are in the "toughen up" crowd.

Not that I don't get it, but you excuse everything this way. I mean what a great attitude. Let the weak fall where they may, mock and ridicule anyone that's affected by these mere "words". Words matter. Ideas matter.

When you see weakness, do you see an opportunity or an urge to protect?
How you answer that question says a lot about who you really are.

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It sounds to me like you have joined the ranks of the Skeptics; which if I'm not mistaken was the original intent of ATS. To prove or disprove these theories.

As a Skeptic you will add far more to these topics than you ever could serving the other role.

The term "Sheep" can be applied to either side. Some are Sheep because they blindly accept these theories; others because they reject those with merit.

There are some very serious theories here with lots of good evidence to back them up. There are also a multitude of subjects here that are utter nonsense. Skeptics are in a unique position to be able to logically sift through the evidence and reject the nonsense and those that are the products of irrationality and unfounded fear.

You are right to be skeptical of Alex Jones and his motives. I think many have seen through his ruse. Even though some information from his site is important and relevant, much of it is pure fear mongering. I think its important to look at character here. Alex Jones is sadly lacking in that department.

Yelling at people through a bullhorn and making a general horses behind of himself is clearly not of any value, other than shock value. I ask myself, why would he act like that? The answer I get is to incite people into doing what he wants them to do, whether it is buying his products or spreading his gospel to attract new people to him. It's all about controlling people to get them to do what he wants. He is a secular Fire and Brimstone Preacher if you will. His target is weak people who are easily lead and he controls them with fear and anger.

When I saw the video's of him taking over another groups legal protest and tossing them aside, after he had refused to respond to requests to participate, I saw the real Alex Jones. Everything he does is about him and only him. Truth is only used by him when it benefits him and he just as willingly resorts to nonsense and fabrications if it benefits him.

Use this epiphany to your own benefit. Remove fear from the equation along with gullibility and you will then be able to use critical thinking and sort out the real conspiracies that matter to you. Remain skeptical of anything that does not have valid evidence to back it up and it will serve you well. Most of the "Sheep" I see are those who blindly accept every idea that comes along.

Fear and anger are probably the two things that lead to most of the madness we see here.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by Wotan89

 

When I saw the video's of him taking over another groups legal protest and tossing them aside, after he had refused to respond to requests to participate, I saw the real Alex Jones. Everything he does is about him and only him. Truth is only used by him when it benefits him and he just as willingly resorts to nonsense and fabrications if it benefits him.

Are you referring to this video?

www.youtube.com...

This, and many other things, caused me to see the light. I am glad I am not the only one.

btw- I believe AJ, who's family is FULL of military and intelligence personel, is PURPOSELY fear-mongering to pay his bills and his family's bills.
or he is on meth- one of the two scenarios.


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I am glad for your new found courage.

The only fear you should have is the Lord Jesus if you are not doing his will.

As for the things that these people hype that you feared, many of them will come true they are prophesied in the Bible and death and destruction the devils friend will come upon the whole of earth as Satan tries to take many to hell with him.

God bless you and yours

Originally posted by Wotan89

Originally posted by Lunchman
reply to post by Wotan89

 

Why are you so hung up with name calling and labels? Who cares what anyone thinks when it comes right down to it - You are you, think for your self.

Why do you have to continue projecting the name calling? (Alex Jones Fanboy).. Who cares?

If you disagree with someone - Why do they have to be "Labeled"?

Where in the hell did you learn this behavior?

When I say "Alex Jones fanboy," I am trying to distance the casual fans from the rabid fans.

"If you disagree with someone - Why do they have to be 'Labeled'?"

What bothers me is that when someone disagrees with a truther, the truther will resort to labeling. But no one complains. However, when a non-truther resorts to labeling, he or she is noted of his or her actions. Yes, I admit to pointless labeling and I am sorry, but people need to aware of the labeling that goes on amongst the truther community. Go to Infowars.com and make threads that disagree with Alex Jones. You will recieve a a whole novel of labels.

So - all that and your basicly saying - monkey see monkey do... Because 50 million other people are thieves, am going to be a thief as well...

Your Logic is Fubar...

Go to Infowars.com and make threads that disagree with Alex Jones. You will recieve a a whole novel of labels.

All I see is - They are thieves, am going to act like a thief.. it seems you have missed my entire post on the previous page.. So quick to label, and so quick to repeat the wrong, knowing its wrong, only because others are doing it to..

Again, please go back to the previous page and re-read what I have written. Stop being so concerned about what others are thinking, and starting being more concerned about what you think..

That will also come with greater self confidence and losing the craving to always be looking for "who's team you are on".

You are on YOUR TEAM..

Originally posted by ACTS 2:38
reply to post by Wotan89

 

I am glad for your new found courage.

The only fear you should have is the Lord Jesus if you are not doing his will.

As for the things that these people hype that you feared, many of them will come true they are prophesied in the Bible and death and destruction the devils friend will come upon the whole of earth as Satan tries to take many to hell with him.

God bless you and yours

Thanks for the response, but I hate to break it to you: I am a Nordic pagan. My saviours are Odin (Wotan in Old High German), Thor, Freya, Baldr, and Fjörgyn. Sorry.

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Blaming ATS members for your thoughts of suicide (thats how I read your rant, sry post) is kinda, well dumb.

Someone else said it, YOU are master of yourself, or you are supposed to be.

Your fear, is also, sry to say, Your own problem. Learn to deal with it.

You should continue reading and learning what interests you. You should "pop" your head into the CTs forums, to see what is going on.

I used to think like you do of the NWO, but about Nibiru. Then I smartened up!
Even if it is real, there is nothing that I can do about a space rock racing towards this planet, so I enjoy every second I am alive, and WHEN i die, I will be somewhere else.

Originally posted by Lateralus51
reply to post by PsychoX42

 

the military kills their soldiers when they panic? what, did you see that in a movie?

No, he's just a resident troll. I personally have toyed with hitting the ignore button on his ridiculous posts but it gives me a giggle to see just how weird he (and trust me, it will be a he) will jump on any post on any subject and come out with opinions to try and cause a stir.

reply to post by Wotan89


That is the one, among others. I think many people are starting to see through his ruse.

I think people often misunderstand or misrepresent what a skeptic is. A Skeptic is simply a person who waits until the facts are in before jumping on board with every wild eyed theory that comes along. A person who cares about uncovering real conspiracies but has the common sense to reject fantasy and theories derived from unfounded fear, hate or paranoia.

Welcome to the club.

I also will admit that Prison Planet can be a good source if a person filters the information before accepting it and takes into account the true motives of Jones.

The Stages of Political Awakening
Ignorance (Knowledge of Only What you want to Believe)
Knowledge (Awakening to True Facts)
Denial (Attempting to go back to Ignorance)
Shock (Realization that your Beliefs are not True)
Grief (Realization that you have lost something)
Depression (Sadness over loss)
Anger (Sadness projected outward)
Bargaining (Hoping to get back what was lost)
Acceptance (Changes are Beyond Your Control)

LOL I know the truth about mankind. I surely don't live in fear. I just laugh at our existence.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by Wotan89

 

That is the one, among others. I think many people are starting to see through his ruse.

I think people often misunderstand or misrepresent what a skeptic is. A Skeptic is simply a person who waits until the facts are in before jumping on board with every wild eyed theory that comes along. A person who cares about uncovering real conspiracies but has the common sense to reject fantasy and theories derived from unfounded fear, hate or paranoia.

yes, but there are purists out there who just don't believe you even if you have all the facts and show them. I am both a believer and a skeptic. I would like to believe first and then ask questions later because I don't want to miss a thing if it is real.

reply to post by Wotan89


Yep taking that red pill is a bitch.

I choose to remake awake and vigilant.

I don't live in fear.

When I venture outside, I just pop on my "I'm a sheeple face", like in the original "Invasion of the Body Snatchers", when the hero and girl are ready to leave the building , he tells her to look non-emotional no matter what.

We're coming close to this folks.

It's just progressing a little at a time so you won't even know it's here until it's here.

No, I will never embrace the NWO, I will fight it till my dying breath.

I am a proud member of the fifth column.

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There is another stage.

Taking action. You take action by first of all voting. Second by letting your views be known to those in office. Third by participating in peaceful, legal protest much as the Tea Party and others have done. Fourth by running for office yourself.

Giving up is not an option worth considering. It's like suicide, its the cowards way out.

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I understand what you mean. However believing before you verify is just asking to be disappointed and even worse be wrong. However throwing out idea's as just idea's and then researching to see if the theory has merit is the right way to go about it in my opinion.

Many areas of gray here. Political conspiracies or conspiracies involving powerful people are markedly different than researching topics like UFO's or even topics in the spiritual realm.

The ones that get under my skin the most are what the OP was talking about. Those who spread fear either on purpose or because they are themselves suffering from paranoia and delusions. Things like the Gulf floor is going to collapse and giant tsunami's will wipe out everyone. Things based on pure fiction.

I remember a couple of years ago, maybe three, there was a prediction going around of a giant tsunami hitting the East Coast. One of the posters here apparently quit his job, packed up his family and fled the East Coast. A great deal of harm was done to that person and his poor family.

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