Are Women Conditioned To Be Weak By Society?

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

Originally posted by nunya13

There's no way a ''strong woman'' would wear clothing for a man to look at her in a sexual manner. It's a contradiction.

Oh Who are YOU?

Like sexual power is not something that makes a woman STRONG?

Ha! What poverty does an opinion like THAT spring from? Religiously imposed poverty of the sight of beautiful, strong, sexual women?

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Agreed, men shouldn't treat women like property. They should be loving and protective over their woman. Demeaning women in severe ways isn't helping anyone.

-Sol

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Women are the weaker sex, nothing to do with conditioning.

I'm not saying that women can't be mentally strong ( my mother is one of the strongest people that I've ever come across ), but deep down they yearn to be dominated by a strong man.

ROFLMAO

I would say you are fooling yourself, possibly so that you can feel better about who you are. I do not know any women who "secretly" wants to be dominated. I know many who want to be loved and respected, who go about this in the wrong way, but definitely they do not want to be dominated.

Your attitude and beliefs are those that is the attitude of a man who thinks being dominate is sexy, when that attitude is nothing but abusive. I hope someday you can figure things out. You may find yourself a better person if you do, and you may find yourself helping the world instead of hindering it with attitudes such as yours.

I believe the op has a point. Women are conditioned to believe they are inferior, by people such as you. We grow up hearing it, by people such as you, and when we do not have others who let us know different, we end up conditioned into believing it. It's very sad.

It has been proven that women handle stress and pain far better than men. Take that as you will.

Harm None
Peace

Originally posted by hadriana
Oh Who are YOU?

Like sexual power is not something that makes a woman STRONG?

Ha! What poverty does an opinion like THAT spring from? Religiously imposed poverty of the sight of beautiful, strong, sexual women?

You are misunderstanding me. I don't mind women being weak in regards to how they dress. I'm just commenting on it.

Yes, I like to take a glance at a woman in the street that's willing to show me her pins and a top barely holding in her fun-bags. But it's hardly very ''empowering'', is it ?

The very thought of me going out and trying to ''impress'' someone by unbuttoning my shirt and showing off my bare torso seems completely bizarre to me. Almost cavemanesque.

The only way I'd intentionally like to impress somebody is through intellectual or creative dialogue and exchanges of ideas.

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There are so many misconceptions and sexist comments in your post I'm not even sure where to start...

Generally speaking, women are weaker physically, yes, but that's just a matter of physiology. I will never be as physically strong as my husband is because men and women are just built differently. That doesn't make him better than me, unless we're talking about who's better at moving a dresser. Then he'd be the one you want to ask first. I can do it, but he can do it better because he's stronger physically.

I have yet to meet a woman who is just waiting for a big, strong man to come along and 'dominate' her. Nor do we all wear clothes just to give men something to look at. That's just ridiculous.

Being successful is being successful, regardless of which gender someone happens to be. Some women consider success to be getting a promotion, just like men do. But somehow that means women are just playing 'second fiddle'? That makes no sense.

Originally posted by Blanca Rose
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I think you were born in the wrong decade!

I hate when men get whimpy haircuts, but that is just me, as my formative years were in the late 60's, early 70's.

Men with long hair buck the system, and women with short hair, do the same.

We need to get back to th days of comfort. Do what you want, without offending body odor!

I think you're right. People who defied the current fashion genre were usually the ones living outside the box, and usually more open minded. I tend to think along your lines, where people need to find their distinct individuality. Society got REALLY bad since the 80s. The influence of hollywood created puppets all over the country. Watch any reality show and you'll quickly see how shallow and pointless the programming is. Same goes for anything televised on MTV, BET, M2, VH1 and so on. It's popular to be popular. Does the show 'Are you smarter than a 5th grader' ring a bell?
It's neither emasculating or effeminising. I don't think either male or female are weaker than the other. Both have weak and strong points. It's all a matter of public perception and programming. A guy that can cook is no less a human being than a woman who can weld. People these days tend to categorize in order to figure out where they themselves fit in.
We gotta learn to let these false standards go and be ourselves, not what hollywood persuades us to be.

Star 4 U

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Yes, I like to take a glance at a woman in the street that's willing to show me her pins and a top barely holding in her fun-bags. But it's hardly very ''empowering'', is it ?

This this this.

Exactly. You understand.

Sure a strong woman is of course a nice thing, but overdoing it with super slutty clothes really contradicts what that woman is trying to portray herself as.

I prefer an attractive woman who wears subtley sexy clothes, instead of having their junk massively out on display for everyone.

-Sol

Originally posted by amazed
I would say you are fooling yourself, possibly so that you can feel better about who you are. I do not know any women who "secretly" wants to be dominated. I know many who want to be loved and respected, who go about this in the wrong way, but definitely they do not want to be dominated.

I'm not fooling myself.
What I say is true, but not politically correct. I don't need to feel better about who I am, as I'm perfectly happy and comfortable with who I am. ( and I don't need to wear sexually revealing clothes to do so ! )

Originally posted by amazed
Your attitude and beliefs are those that is the attitude of a man who thinks being dominate is sexy, when that attitude is nothing but abusive. I hope someday you can figure things out.

I don't think that being dominant is ''sexy'', however most women ( at least those of a certain age ) do.
Dominance doesn't automatically equal abuse.
Otherwise, it could be argued that some women are ''abusing'' men by using their sexual attractiveness to dominate an inexperienced younger guy.

I already have this figured out, thank you.

Originally posted by amazed
You may find yourself a better person if you do, and you may find yourself helping the world instead of hindering it with attitudes such as yours.

LOL.
So I pass opinion on something that you personally dislike, and it makes you question my personality and my attitudes towards ''helping the world''.

I believe my attitudes do ''help the world'', by the way, as I'm cutting through the bs, and telling the truth.

Originally posted by amazed
I believe the op has a point. Women are conditioned to believe they are inferior, by people such as you. We grow up hearing it, by people such as you, and when we do not have others who let us know different, we end up conditioned into believing it. It's very sad.

I agree that social elements do make a difference, but to deny the biological factors of millions of years of evolution is at best, childish, and at worst, intellectually dishonest or delusional.

Originally posted by amazed
It has been proven that women handle stress and pain far better than men. Take that as you will.

Proven by who ?


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I have yet to meet a woman who is just waiting for a big, strong man to come along and 'dominate' her. Nor do we all wear clothes just to give men something to look at. That's just ridiculous.

Weeeelll, never mind.



I have been know to dress provocatively, in my day, and I still play the weaker sex at times to get my big strong husband to help me with things around the house,

He just loves that.

Anyway don't yell at me.

Don't tell him, he has no idea.



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Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes


The very thought of me going out and trying to ''impress'' someone by unbuttoning my shirt and showing off my bare torso seems completely bizarre to me. Almost cavemanesque.

The only way I'd intentionally like to impress somebody is through intellectual or creative dialogue and exchanges of ideas.

Well, sorry, but I think Putin understands a bit better than you do.
The image of a strong, virile man DEFINITELY has power.

And the image of a strong, muscular, virile looking man holding a little baby? Lovingly? WOW, I'm sold. I'll think about it later.

Funbags? Did someone forget to nurse you as a baby?

Just wanted to say I am learning all kinds of new insights from all of you. I agree with portions of all of your posts. I'm not really on anyone's side, and I love the differing opinions.

Thank you all.

-Sol

Originally posted by Jenna
There are so many misconceptions and sexist comments in your post I'm not even sure where to start...

I'm not a sexist. Just a realist.

Originally posted by Jenna
I have yet to meet a woman who is just waiting for a big, strong man to come along and 'dominate' her. Nor do we all wear clothes just to give men something to look at. That's just ridiculous.

You haven't looked very far then, love.

''Take control of'' might be equally as preferable a term as ''dominate''.

As I've said it's not wearing clothes per se, but it's the ones that attempt to show off a decent rack or legs up to the waist.

Those clothes are only worn to, either:

1. Get men to look at a woman sexually. Or,
2. Make other women envious or jealous.

Reason ''1.'' is self-evidently weak, and even more so if it hides a woman's fragile self-ego by having men ogle them in an attempt to get positive reinforcement.

Reason ''2.'' is also clearly weak. Not to mention, that it's not particularly pleasant.

Originally posted by Jenna
Being successful is being successful, regardless of which gender someone happens to be. Some women consider success to be getting a promotion, just like men do. But somehow that means women are just playing 'second fiddle'? That makes no sense.

I agree.
But a woman's ''success'' is quite often defined as emulating a male role in any given situation.

Many times a woman will expect or receive praise for doing a typically ''man's job'', yet most men just regard the accomplishment as something normal.

For example, sometimes a woman will brag about doing something like repairing her car, expecting a ''you go, girl'' from all and sundry, when her ''achievement'' was the sort of thing that most men regard as commonplace.

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I completely disagree with the assumption that all women who dress provocatively are immediately weaker and gagging to be dominated by a man. If I'm wearing my hair down and dressed in a short skirt with high heels, it just means that I'm feeling positive enough about myself to go outside like that, to hell with what other people think. I also don't dress that way to give guys something to look at, I do it because I am free and able to. Gaining those extra few inches in height with my heels certainly feels empowering, and the positive attitude that goes along with this confirms it.

Am I a weak woman? No. I have yet to let my partners walk all over me with regards to a relationship. If I don't like something I will let people know it. I could be consider weak to a point due to shyness, but my father was just as shy as I was in his younger days, so that has nothing to do with gender differences.

The only truly weak people that I see these days are the ones obsessed with celebrity culture, and those encompass men and women alike. You know them, those who would sell a piece of their soul to find out what's in fashion next year so they can be ahead of the trend, or those who are more interested in Lindsey Lolhan's new criminal career. THEY are the weak ones.

My mother is also the strongest person I have ever known. She is the rock of the family, and takes crap from no one despite being a full foot shorter than my father.

Originally posted by hadriana
Well, sorry, but I think Putin understands a bit better than you do.
The image of a strong, virile man DEFINITELY has power.

Of course. But you are reaffirming my point that women love a strong, dominant, powerful man.

That was just a photo opportunity to give him that vibe after several years in the Kremlin.
He didn't get to his position in Russia through baring his torso whilst out in the rugged outdoors, did he ?

Putin could also have equally wowed a woman if he dominated through conversation and interactions with her.

Originally posted by hadriana
Funbags? Did someone forget to nurse you as a baby?

LOL.
What's wrong with ''fun-bags'' ? Would you prefer ''mammaries'' ?

I did get nursed as a baby, thank you very much for asking.

Sometimes a girl just wants to feel sexy, I'm pretty much past that stage, oooooh the memories.

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I did get nursed as a baby, thank you very much for asking.

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There's a difference between wearing something provocative on occasion and wearing it all the time just to get men to look at you though. There's also a difference between playing up the weakness for your husband because he likes it or it makes him feel good to take care of you in some way, and doing it for anything and everything male.

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I can't argue with that,

Originally posted by invetro
I completely disagree with the assumption that all women who dress provocatively are immediately weaker and gagging to be dominated by a man. If I'm wearing my hair down and dressed in a short skirt with high heels, it just means that I'm feeling positive enough about myself to go outside like that, to hell with what other people think.

It's not that they're gagging to be dominated, it's that they're gagging for men to look at them in a sexual manner or for other women to jealously ogle them. That's weak.

Clearly nobody has a say over their looks ( although sometimes having a decent body requires a lot of hard-work ), so to try and ''impress'' people over something as superficial as this is a cop-out.

Originally posted by invetro
I also don't dress that way to give guys something to look at, I do it because I am free and able to. Gaining those extra few inches in height with my heels certainly feels empowering, and the positive attitude that goes along with this confirms it.

Sorry, but you're brainwashed with a lot of feminist rubbish here.
What you are erroneously describing as ''empowerment'' is actually ''boosting your self-confidence'' - and there's nothing wrong with that.

Everyone feels more self-confident in clothing that they are comfortable in; the difference being that most men don't have to wear sexually explicit clothing to boost their ego. Many women do.

Originally posted by invetro
Am I a weak woman? No. I have yet to let my partners walk all over me with regards to a relationship. If I don't like something I will let people know it. I could be consider weak to a point due to shyness, but my father was just as shy as I was in his younger days, so that has nothing to do with gender differences.

What you say is true, and from what you've described above you're not weak.
Sadly, many an intellectually dishonest woman would've dressed this up as being a ''strong woman'', when in fact it's just normal.

Originally posted by invetro
The only truly weak people that I see these days are the ones obsessed with celebrity culture, and those encompass men and women alike. You know them, those who would sell a piece of their soul to find out what's in fashion next year so they can be ahead of the trend, or those who are more interested in Lindsey Lolhan's new criminal career. THEY are the weak ones.

LOL.
Surely nobody from their personal experience can say that men are just as interested as women in inconsequential celebrity rubbish ?
There's a clear female bias in this subject.

Originally posted by invetroMy mother is also the strongest person I have ever known. She is the rock of the family, and takes crap from no one despite being a full foot shorter than my father.

Nice one.

My mother ( who unsurprisingly is a woman ! ) is mentally stronger than me, and even so I'm a man, I still look up to her as the person to emulate in a lot of regards.

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Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

I'm not saying that women can't be mentally strong ( my mother is one of the strongest people that I've ever come across ), but deep down they yearn to be dominated by a strong man.

Apparently, you never met my foster mother.

She dominated everyone, and everything she met. Until the day she died.

No one ever mistook her for someone who had a secret longing to be dominated by a strong and masterful man. And thank goodness too. We would have been cleaning up pieces of "strong masterful man" for weeks.