Arizona Sheriff: 'Our Own Government Has Become Our Enemy'

reply to post by ironfalcon


I think Thomas Jefferson said it best...

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

"Don't blame me I voted for Kang"
I have tried to follow this entire thread but all I see is complaining about certain party's actions. For some reason we as Americans have forgotten that we are allowed to vote for whom ever we choose. I know that if I waste my vote on a third party candidate it may take away from the primary issues but my vote still counts. Perhaps if more people begin to make a stand and start voting with their heart instead of their parties concerns we can all make a difference.

I am sure that this has been posted many times, but thought why not.

reply to post by burning_need


People want too much to be a party to a "winner". I think that is the biggest reason that third party candidates have such a hard time. they have to overcome the inertia of the 2 party system to wake people up and get them to believe that a third party candidate could actually get elected. As long as it does not appear possible for a third party candidate to get elected, they will never surge past the critical mass needed to convince enough people that their vote will not be "wasted" by voting for someone other than a member of the 2 party system.

Until that happens, people will keep voting for the lesser of two evils instead of who they would actually want to get elected because that is the only way they feel that they will get some "value" from their vote. It is sad, but it is human nature.

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by SeventhSeal

 

really, FOX news made that up?

Weird, doesnt look made up to me, maybe you need to do some research!

And there you go pulling the race card again........has nothing to do with the color of anyones skin........has everything to do with the mass exodus of illegals into the US on a weakened border, and something needs to be done about it.

Drop the race card, illegal is illegal.

I use to live in Laredo Tx, most of my friends were Mexicans, I live in Idaho now and talk to them about 2 times a month, you know what they tell me? THat things are so damn bad down there, that it would be dangerous for me to come down and visit because of the drug wars, and inability for the border patrol to keep things in order because of the MASS influx of drug cartels.

Keep your rhetoric to yourself

[edit on 2-8-2010 by ManBehindTheMask]

Actually...you should look more into the story. Fox News claims Obama dropped whatever charges against the "black panthers." Funny though, that decision was made by then president Bush.

I know, it's simplistic to pull the race card but there's no need for it...I wish Fox would get that message.

As for the immigration situation....go read my other posts. Until then, you need to do some investigating. Thanks buddy!!

In the 1980's when they gave amnesty to illegals, they thought there were just under a million, and they got over 3 million apply.

In 2010, they "estimate" there are "12 million" illegal immigrants in the country. Using the same ratio, the USA should get over 36 million applicants when amnesty is finally declared by Obama by executive order.

reply to post by BomSquad


Yes, I totally understand and agree, I myself have been as guilty as the next person in not speaking out for those that are in the right. I always vote my conscience but never stage rally's fund raisers etc. As 'electric' as the web seems to be it is still no competitor to the classic television channels when it comes to "getting the message across". Maybe it's time for a change... as inappropriate as this may seem to some the idea of another "Yes we can" campaign may not be that far fetched!!

reply to post by ker2010


You did not read my post or you took it out of context. I never did claim the Mexicans should come here illegally. If you were paying attention or actually reading my statements, I made the obvious point that the businesses who hire and exploit the illegals for cheap labor are the ones who should be punished.

I can tell a lot of folks here aren't educated on what happens when you're an "illegal" here and you're sent back to Mexico. But whatever, to each their own. Enjoy having your head in the sand.

Send this guy the Sheriff Tony DeMeo videos and tell him to take charge and stop whining! DeMeo has set the bar on how to handle the feds.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Most of the hate is not against illegals. It's against cartels raping, kidnapping, stealing and killing people.

DECRIMINALIZE ALL DRUGS = NO MORE CARTEL PROBLEMS.

I'm not so sure about that. The greed and ruthlessness will remain. I think they would just step up human trafficking and kidnapping to take the place of drug trafficking. Those are already lucrative side activities I believe. I can only see human suffering escalating. I just wish we were better at wiping the criminals off the face of the earth as soon as they appear on the scene. I have a feeling we could, but somebody somewhere doesn't want us to.

Originally posted by Benchwarmer
Wouldn't you be? If someone kept breaking into my backyard to walk through to another street, some stealing, and ALL of them unknown to me, I think I'd have a problem with it.

It's hard to not feel like this sheriff is a "gun-toting redneck", that much is true. However, just because he sounds a bit ungainly doesn't mean he doesn't have a valid point. He (like most of AZ) are ticked that their rights have been trampled on, and for so long.

Instead of coddling to illegals, maybe the feds should support a state when they say they need help? What is this country coming to when undocumented illegals have more say-so than the legitimate government in their own home state?

We can't support our country under the banner of socialism/communism/marxism.

Making everyone happy leads to the creation of nothing.

It's a shame that these people get the bad rap, but they asked for it when they came in illegally. It's also a shame that these people are unknowingly going to be used for votes once Amnesty happens. After that, expect the Dems to do NOTHING for them unless it helps their chance at reelection.

BO has passed whatever he's wanted to, whenever he's wanted to, and quickly. It's nearly as bad as Hitlers power was in Germany. If he can rearrange as much as he has, with all the dems sucking his teat he's unstoppable. He didn't give two *hits and an $%# about the oil spill untill he knew it could affect votes.

(Shakes head) I'm about to leave this country for good. An that is BEFORE the tax increases have hit yet. If this is all they have to offer me (a bunch of excuses and future debt) there is no reason to stay. They would rather have this country in the hands of illegal Mexican immigrants if this is the feds true response.

Indeed. History is repeating itself in another place. The globalist elite, through their magic negro puppet Obama, have contributed greatly to the transformation of the United States into a replica of Nazi Germany.

One other thing: I'm absolutely amazed by the number of replies I received for this thread.

Sheriff Paul Babeu is a far better defender of the U.S. constitution than puppet Obama, who is trampling on it for his elitist handlers.

Which other U.S. states do you think should emulate Arizona?

Originally posted by BomSquad
reply to post by burning_need

 

People want too much to be a party to a "winner". I think that is the biggest reason that third party candidates have such a hard time. they have to overcome the inertia of the 2 party system to wake people up and get them to believe that a third party candidate could actually get elected. As long as it does not appear possible for a third party candidate to get elected, they will never surge past the critical mass needed to convince enough people that their vote will not be "wasted" by voting for someone other than a member of the 2 party system.

Until that happens, people will keep voting for the lesser of two evils instead of who they would actually want to get elected because that is the only way they feel that they will get some "value" from their vote. It is sad, but it is human nature.

You're on the right track there.

The two-party system is the epitome of the left-right facade, because it creates the false impression of choice. In reality, you have no choice, because you're just basically propping up a two-headed, one-bodied monster.

The globalist elite know that if third parties become dominant, then their monopolized control of the political system is threatened and exposed for the general public sheeple to see who they truly are.

reply to post by monkeySEEmonkeyDO


I would have to agree....

its's already hard out here and then to go to the unemployment offices, welfare or foodstamp offices and see plenty of (illegal) immigrants getting handed over benefits, never having to show I.D. and then they'act' as if they can't speak the language....

if they really can't speak it, they should learn it....That's just like me going to France and expecting eveybody and every service to have a translator on standby for me....

and then to top it all off, WE have to be bi-lingual to get a damn job nowadays...WTF????

sorry for the ranting

They need to quit fighting Arizona and get this going!!


[edit on 2-8-2010 by ButterCookie]

reply to post by SeventhSeal


nononono my friend dont even try that here........

you said, and i quote

Really? So Fox News is innocent of the race card when they made up the Black Panthers claiming they're going to "kill cracker babies" and such?

claiming that they made it all up about the Black Panthers which is total BS.

I didnt adress ANYTHING about the charges being dropped......if FULLY aware of what happened in the case.

THe point is that YOU are trying to deflect , again trying to blame a news network for something, and claiming that they made it up when they VERY CLEARLY did not.

As for the Race Card? I believe you were the first to pull that one when the gentleman's post had NOTHING racist in it.........once again i quote

Congrats. Your post has been awarded the Ignorant and Racist award of the year. Enjoy.

Then here you are being racist yourself

Huh, good job. I was going to suggest to you to stay on topic and not to derail...but...this is mainly about angry white people complaining about non english speaking folks being in their country. So that'd be silly of me to suggest such a thought.

Sorry man, im not buying into your line .....those in glass houses should not
throw stones

As for the OP Most of us that have lived on the border are VERY aware of what is going on down there, and how bad it is getting...

What gets me is how the people like you who are no where NEAR the epicenter of this, get off telling everyone else who it is!

People that share your viewpoint make this WHOLE THING about race, and it has NOTHING to do with it, it has to do with the security of our nation, the security of its PEOPLE, and the money leaking out of this country going to people who DONT BELONG here, and WHO ARE ILLEGAL......hence....BROKE THE LAW!

Savvy?

[edit on 2-8-2010 by ManBehindTheMask]

reply to post by ironfalcon


Good for him! Now spread that message, the federal government is treasonous elitist fascist corporatist scum and must be cleaned out...

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask



Why do you call me racist? Because I accuse someone who believes violence should be used against immigrants? Are you sure You're not using the race card?

As for the rest of your post...rubbish. No need for personal flaming. Let's keep on topic.

Thanks buddy.

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

 

Why do you call me racist? Because I accuse someone who believes violence should be used against immigrants? Are you sure You're not using the race card?


Thanks buddy.

Why do you call me racist? Because I accuse someone who believes violence should be used against ILLEGAL immigrants? Are you sure You're not using the race card?


corrected..

[edit on 3-8-2010 by ker2010]

B1070 Illegal alien supporters desecrate US Flag during National Anthem.

reply to post by SeventhSeal


I was very on topic, and i wasnt accusing you of anyting, i was proving you were pulling the race card, when you sat there and called me a racist.....do you even pay attention to what you post? Not only that I USED YOUR OWN QUOTES.....

The OP has nothing to do with RACE and everything about the rule of law, as i stated in my post where I called you out.........

[edit on 3-8-2010 by ManBehindTheMask]

I believe that people should start busting into our elected official's houses that support the amnesty for illegals. If it's alright to allow whoever wishes to just barge into our country undocumented and take advantage of what we have then they should have no problem having their houses broken into and let people "better themselves" with their furniture, jewelry, or whatever they have that might help someone else. If they're going to let anyone just break through the "windows", whether they have bad intentions or good, and into our "house" then they shouldn't have a problem with anyone going into their houses and doing whatever they wish.

The difference is that allowing illegals amnesty gives those who think themselves better for believing a lie about "freedom" or other BS excuse our media and government throws out there, a happy feeling in their pants. How can the average citizen be so blind to the problems this creates? Do they just ignore all that can go wrong because our news outlets only portray the least threatening news? It boggles the mind.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
He just figured that out?


[edit on 2-8-2010 by Vitchilo]

You took the words right out of my mouth. Where has this sheriff been hiding all his life, under a rock? Guess he just got a dose of some R-E-A-L-I-T-Y.