What nearly punched a hole in this Japanese oil tanker?

The people im referring to will know who they are. I know theres many at ATS getting pretty sick of the thread killers and people who have nothing to add. Like i said there are other forums to suit their needs.

reply to post by ninthaxis


just wondering, really. you used didnt explode and explode in the same explanation to explain one event. Does this mean anything?

reply to post by JBA2848


Just an fyi because i care, and there may be money in it, but explosive atmosphere events and all known explosive events expand violently. A primary vacuum explosive device would make the inventor a very wealthy man indeed,

reply to post by mordant1

I beg to differ
when chuck who was standing on the other side of the tanker wound up to punch the tanker
his wind up sucked the metal plates against the frame which accounts for the implosion looking type damage...he never even hit the tanker at all...

I found another view of the damaged area and article.

www.csmonitor.com...

This is strange in the other thread it is stated that the tanker had exploded.
I wonder why they had said it exploded and then the thread now has the same ship that supposedly exploded with only a nice dent in the side. This is one dent that not even Earl Scheib would try to fix. Someone jumped the gun big time on the earlier reports.

reply to post by mordant1


Heres a drawing of a tanker.

I can't see this being a mine or the tanker running into something. The damage is at the back of the ship. Were they going in reverse? If not its hard to hit something with your rear bumper driving forwards. Did a sub hit it or a mine the dents are above the water line. The red paint on the ship never completely goes under the water even when full. The damage is mostly above the red and above the waterline.

Heres a picture of the damaged crew area.



Picture came from here.
english.aljazeera.net...

I say it was a bad vent valve. The cargo pump room is right under the life boat in this picture. If something happened when venting theres a good chance the life boat could be damaged.




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Originally posted by bair1975
reply to post by Danbones

 

Not to be rude but the initial thread/report you linked didn't have a picture of the damage or a report stemming further than two lines reporting there was an incident.....

yes those pics and more are on that thread, as well as detailed and intelligent opinions on as many aspects of the incident as serious ats'ers could come up with.
there are links to several different news sourses and as many new reportings as they came out...
it is just customery to refer to the main thread when daughter threads are posted.
no offence ment.
the pic you posted above is new but the article is repetitious of all the articles on the previous thread.

also I posted an engineering analysis report on several explosive incidents regarding ships along with pics which appear to discount the mine / explosive outside the hull theory

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reply to post by bair1975


Thanks for that. I looks like a huge dent. Whatever hit it did one heck of a job. Something big caused it but what is the question. Can't wait to see the follow up investigation and what its says as to who or what did it.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


You can put that down to typical media dramatisation, its certainly a strange incident though. Nobody can seem to come to an agreeable explanation, even the official investigators are at a loss.

Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by mordant1

 

Heres a drawing of a tanker.

I can't see this being a mine or the tanker running into something. The damage is at the back of the ship. Were they going in reverse? If not its hard to hit something with your rear bumper driving forwards. Did a sub hit it or a mine the dents are above the water line. The red paint on the ship never completely goes under the water even when full. The damage is mostly above the red and above the waterline.

Heres a picture of the damaged crew area.



Picture came from here.
english.aljazeera.net...

I say it was a bad vent valve. The cargo pump room is right under the life boat in this picture. If something happened when venting theres a good chance the life boat could be damaged.

[edit on 30-7-2010 by JBA2848]
WHile a mine is not impossible I'm unaware of them leaping from the sea to explode. They are intended to detonate under water where the explosive effect is tamped by the water greatly magnifying the effects.
Proximity mines dont have to contact but they dont jump. THe casing is thick enough to frag pattern the plate steel but there/s no evidence of it grossly and none of the expected puncture. Even thin sheet metal will pattern on steel if close enough. Mines have anywhere from 500 or more pounds of high explosive which would have ripped the shp in half even at 10 feet. Topedoes olso dont have need to contact, but they are intended to detonate under the ship or well below waterline.

New photos of the inside.








From here mainichi.jp...

From these photos there is no fire damage smoke damage.
Bad vents leading to Implosion of internal tank sounds right to me.

Don't forget the oil prices were set just a couple days after this. Cause fear that tankers are being attacked and keep prices of oil high. Good plot huh.

Dubai: The Department of Oil Affairs in the government of Dubai yesterday announced that it had advised its customers that the official price of Dubai crude oil, which will be delivered in October 2010, will be 20 cents (Dh0.73) less per barrel than the average daily settlement price of the DME Oman Crude Oil Financial Contract in Dubai Mercantile Exchange contracts traded during the next month.

gulfnews.com...

Do you know whos investigating the event for Japan?

Mitsui O.S.K. Lines Ltd, owner of the world's second largest oil tanker fleet, said on Thursday it had hired a Dubai-based specialist on military attacks to help investigate damage to the 333-metre supertanker laden with oil for Japan.

www.iranfocus.com...:japan-supertanker-probe-reveals-crash-impact&catid=4:iran-general& Itemid=26


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You can see what looks like soot around and on the red paint in the dent. That and the lack of transferred paint and/or scratches dismisses a collision with another ship.
The damage is more consistent with an explosion at some distance about 5 or 6 meters above the waterline.

This very much looks to me like a projectile bouncing back in stead of penetrating the hull, and exploding.
So the most likely culprit is a 'rising mine'. It's the type of mine that lays in wait, using passive sensors. If it detects a target, it rises from the seabottom and fires a projectile.

The Chinese have been busy developing this type of mine with a guided missile surprise. Like an evil fortune cookie.

So I guess we now know for sure: the straits of Hormuz are mined, and not a happy place for ships with a thin hull (like most frigats and destroyers).

And some loon will be blaming this on a new stealthy Israeli attack submarine in 5,4,3,2...................

Oh and let's not forget that old favorite "False Flag !!!"

reply to post by mordant1


The people on board reported seeing an explosion, you know, possibly how you see a flash from a gun's barrel and a bullet comes wizzing toward you. In this instance it could have been a rocket or something, which has the initial flash of light and if the rocket itself is a dud, it will hit at full speed but will not cause the damage intended. So yes, my first comment makes plenty of sense if you cared to read it.

reply to post by Retseh


yes some loon will be bringing up Israel soon
ooops
someone just did,

mdn.mainichi.jp...

"The area around the door was not wet, and it is unlikely that a wave caused the damage," said a company official, denying a media report that a tsunami from an earthquake in Iran caused the accident.

According to the shipping company, however, no burning odor was reported nor has it detected any possible cause of the explosion around the damaged area of the vessel. After the blast a crew member saw a flash of light on the horizon, but no one heard a discharge sound, the official added.

A flash after the explosion and no water around and damage no smoke ot burnig smell? Not a mine. Implosion of the pumping room under the life boat. Yes!!!

Originally posted by JBA2848


From these photos there is no fire damage smoke damage.
Bad vents leading to Implosion of internal tank isounds right to me.

Don't forget the oil prides were set just a couple days after this. Cause fear that tankers are being attacked and keep prices of oil high. Good plot huh.

Very nice thinking.

You have made some great points.

I think you may be onto the right track here.

Follow the money eh?

I know my post isn't adding much, but I want to encourage you to keep posting ideas like that. That type of open minded thinking is what I come to ATS looking for. GJ

reply to post by JBA2848

after seeing that vid of the tank implosion...
I was willing to give up a beer.
if the tanker captain admits to a procedural mistake
no insurance
and being Japanese
Hari Kari for him.

ps
what Muzzle Flash said



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