Communism and Socialism for Dummies

reply to post by Unity_99


The only thing you leave out is how to kill off enough people so that all their stuff is now free for the taking. Which of your resources do you give away to anyone that wants them?
I thought so.
Interesting title for this OP, really.

Originally posted by mordant1
Your kind WOULD see being correct as intoxication. Likely because intoxication to avoid reality is a oft utilized tactic by that kind

It's more to do with the fact that you aren't making any sense.

You still haven't explained what 'my kind' is.

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Whatever.
Typical american LALALALALAICANTHEARYOULALAL with fingers in ears and eyes squeezed shut. How many had mommies that said "whatever you want hunny"?
I dont have to describe you, youre doing fine on your own

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Infants, with no capabilities of their own are natural communists...

Adolescents are socialists, they are supported and expect it and if they do chose earn some money nowadays they keep it for themselves...

The greater degree of self sufficiency the greater transition to capitalism, where mature self sufficiency occurs...

Another good one Mordant1! You've got a great sense of humor. Probably anyone with kids should be able to see the point you're making, good job.

Communism, Socialism, call it by other names too, who cares, it can all boil down to MORE government, not less. And that is never a good thing. The USA became a great nation, not because of a few wealthy land owners who met each year in Washington, but rather, because they thought it was better to let people manage themselves.

And in days gone by, people did manage themselves, they HAD TO. They may have gone out in the covered wagon, but when they got to Indian country, there was no calling 911. If the wagon wheel fell off, they fixed it. And it never entered their heads that it would have been someone else's job to do so.

Common sense really. But a further point is that while these pioneers were helping themselves, they were also becoming better people, through the process. As you pointed out, we could say they were becoming more responsible, or mature people.

Maybe our lives have become too easy. Of course, if the socialistic communists get their way, the "easy life" won't last long...

JR

if people would really understand what socialism is...they would not even use it in this country to describe our government. ours is more of a corporate plutocracy...we are much closer to having a facist government than any other type of "ism" or "ist".

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Sir:
Praise from cesear, I'm unworthy.
Nice to se another adult hearabouts.
*SNIP*
The parallels of desires perpetual adolescence with socialism are legion.
Problem is it's always self destructive and follows with natural adolescent defiance of the ever increasing hopefully benign mommy/daddyism (well, not so much the daddy part) state. The result of this is a progression to a aggressive and covetous state that eventually intends to get all their golden eggs from the golden goose at once and party down al la jd wentworth. So even on the familial level, which mirrors societal levels, gotta kill mommy and daddy BECAUSE THEY ARE SO SELFISH AND OLD. So to, they will turn even on an increasingly indulgent govt. Even at the family level power corrupts, and THAT's why adult children need to be beaten until they run away and never come back.

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It can all get realy complicated, I just want to work for an agreed wage. not get taxed to death and if I fell like helping my neighbor then thats my own decision.

reply to post by humbleseeker


Agreed! One of the most difficult things in life is helping people. My parents are helping my older brother's addictions but the problem is you can't just throw money at the problem and see it get better. It would only get worst. There are numerous Americans with various problems and a banner of any ideology can not fix it, they have to fix their own problems.

Thats true. I have issues we all do I am sure if you dont I dont think you would be human. We do need to learn as a people to help ourselves. Throwing money at the problem is not going to fix everything. Helping our neighbors is what life is all about. Doing so under no compulsion from anyone but our own hearts desires.

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You would do best wrt a wide variety of drug addictions to look into ibogaine treatment. Nice thing is that there is little if any withdrawl symptoms and it has some trippy shamanic aspects that make people see themselves differently, people taking it seem to undergo a life review that seems to center on why they started using to begin with. In central africa iboga is called 'tree of life' and is central to their tribal religion. There is no abuse potential in spite of it being schedule 1 drug in the usa
I can hook someone up with friends in canada were its legal that do this nonprofit.

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Originally posted by mordant1
reply to post by LeftWingLarry

 

Whatever.
Typical american LALALALALAICANTHEARYOULALAL with fingers in ears and eyes squeezed shut. How many had mommies that said "whatever you want hunny"?
I dont have to describe you, youre doing fine on your own

I'm not American, so I guess there's another assumption thrown out of the window.

Originally posted by humbleseeker
Thats true. I have issues we all do I am sure if you dont I dont think you would be human. We do need to learn as a people to help ourselves. Throwing money at the problem is not going to fix everything. Helping our neighbors is what life is all about. Doing so under no compulsion from anyone but our own hearts desires.

Funnily enough, helping people to help themselves is a large part of various types of left wing theory.

the thing about communism is that it sounds much better on paper than it actually works in practice. you got to take into consideration that the lower class you claim is "liberated" or "freed" always ends up starving and doing what amounts to slave labor. the leaders of communist countries always end up killing lots of people for holding opposing views, hoarding all of the wealth to themselves, and generally destroying the country they rule. if you think communism works then show me one example of it ever working in the long run in the past. name one time where it was beneficial to the people, and not just to the dictator and his family, friends, and high ranking officials. it hasn't, not even once. so why even buy into it in this day and age? would you rather have "economic slavery" or actual, literal slavery imposed upon you? i would take the economic any day. if you like communist countries so much then why don't you load up your family and move to one, see how that works out for you.

Some of you need to reread 'Animal Farm' lol~

Some of you might be interested to know that Communism was initiated by the global elites of the day (ie the super wealthy) as a counterforce to capitalism and christianity. (source Carrol Quigleys 'Tragedy and Hope) It is an agitator ideology, empty of substance. A tool of devide and conquer. A weapon weilded against the masses so they engage in endless class warfare and thus the real enemy to the people is never identified.

'Useful idiots' I think was the term...

Stop looking at the pawns.

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Coercively? So you believe violence is the answer to complex social problems? Stick a gun in our faces and suddenly were all singing coombaya?

If youre so certain people are willing to help one another (by voting for involuntary taxes that are supposed to 'help the poor' ), why do you suppose people wont help the poor of their own, voluntary free will?

I love that post Neo. I certainly do not want to be at the marching tune to big brother, and I can find my own class to be apart of. I choose Liberty or death.

Originally posted by Neo_Serf
reply to post by LeftWingLarry

 

Coercively? So you believe violence is the answer to complex social problems? Stick a gun in our faces and suddenly were all singing coombaya?

If youre so certain people are willing to help one another (by voting for involuntary taxes that are supposed to 'help the poor' ), why do you suppose people wont help the poor of their own, voluntary free will?

People do, with or without the government. Government is just better organised, better equipped, doesn't rely on people's goodwill donations to operate and is arguably more accountable (the budget is published by the government every year, the press and general public kick up a fuss every time they're seen to be wasting vast amounts of money, they can be voted in/out, etc).

And yes, all welfare states in democratic countries exist due to the good will of the people-usually because people think it's necessary and generally a good thing overall. I wouldn't for a moment suggest we're all singing kumbaya together, but when the vast majority of people in this country receive and use some form of government welfare service, it's considered an acceptable investment all the same.

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you realize how much more money would be available to the individual without exessive taxation at every level and at every step of the productive chain?

Try 90% more. Povery. Done.

Your argument that government is more 'efficient' is laughable. Government, or any monopoly, is inherently *inefficient* because it has no competition and thus no incentive to improve. I know in my home province of British Columbia we were just slapped with a giant tax increase in the form of the HST and also a bogus Carbon tax increase that is crippling not only my business but everyone i know. And guess what we get for it? Nothing. It only maintains current services. When will it end?

Socialism is great until you run out of other peoples money. Government *must* waste its stolen funds due to its very nature of being a violent monopoly. You cannot deny the devaluation of currency (caused by central banking, a communist manifesto plank), the continual raising of taxes and fees which are fed into an unsustainable system and syphoned to the top, the lowering of standards of living and the eventual destruction of the middle class under a tsunami of debt and taxation.

You realize 2 generations ago 1 person made as much as a 2 income family does today? I suppose those of us who produce through voluntary exchange are to blame, yes?

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PS an 'investment' is a voluntary decision to allocate funds. Taxation without permission is theft. Lets at least use the proper terms.

Originally posted by Neo_Serf
reply to post by LeftWingLarry

 

you realize how much more money would be available to the individual without exessive taxation at every level and at every step of the productive chain?

Try 90% more. Povery. Done.

There are several problems with this. Firstly, you provided no source. Secondly, this increase won't necessarily be uniform across all classes and income ranges. Finally, that's an absolute figure. How much would each person's money increase in real terms?

Your argument that government is more 'efficient' is laughable. Government, or any monopoly, is inherently *inefficient* because it has no competition and thus no incentive to improve. I know in my home province of British Columbia we were just slapped with a giant tax increase in the form of the HST and also a bogus Carbon tax increase that is crippling not only my business but everyone i know. And guess what we get for it? Nothing. It only maintains current services. When will it end?

In some industries, certainly. Most businesses etc should never be run by the government, certainly. Nevertheless, government can coordinate its efforts across the entire nation, instead of relying on hundreds of smaller charities to do it. These charities still exist, of course-they just operate together with the government.

Socialism is great until you run out of other peoples money. Government *must* waste its stolen funds due to its very nature of being a violent monopoly. You cannot deny the devaluation of currency (caused by central banking, a communist manifesto plank), the continual raising of taxes and fees which are fed into an unsustainable system and syphoned to the top, the lowering of standards of living and the eventual destruction of the middle class under a tsunami of debt and taxation.

You realize 2 generations ago 1 person made as much as a 2 income family does today? I suppose those of us who produce through voluntary exchange are to blame, yes?

Central banking far precedes communism and socialism. Taxes don't have to be continually raised; a government can keep them roughly the same in real terms. The standard of living has increased dramatically in the UK in the last 60+ years since the creation of the welfare state, and the middle class is still going pretty strongly even in this time of global economic crisis. I'm not particularly sure what you've labeled me as in your mind, but I think you should know I'm not a socialist and I don't want to abolish your wealth in favour of some romanticised 'proletariat'.

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