URGENT: Japanese tanker explodes near Strait of Hormuz

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no I meant the life boat was smacked around and damaged but if the steel was sprung over the area that collapsed it would have bounced the lifeboat around..and damaged it and the bouncing life boat was damaged like it bounced off the super structure...which was also damaged...
would have sounded like an explosion
if someone forgot to open a valve the captain may have said attack to avoid responsibility...
the outlets that said siesmic did so to disarm the situation because they didn't want anyone screaming TERRORIST in a crowded theater.

I think you and who was it that said suction in the first place? may have solved the riddle.
lookin good so far

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jlafleur02 said suction and zoomer72 came up with the vid...
Ill happily admit defeat
you both rock
puterman you rock too....

this was great I bet we are ahead of everyone on this one...
ATS
I realize we might wait for proof but this looks like it satisfies the requirements, so unless someone really comes up with something...


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Back of the ship - could be bunker fuel, yes. It would seem from what you are saying that the oil/fuel oil could have got quite warm and could have cooled.

It the vent valve was struck one way that could increase the effect as it would have expanded in the heat letting air/vapour out, but then nothing could have got back in as it cooled.

I would imagine those engines would have goodly draw on the fuel.

The lifeboat could be a casualty of the rebound after the initial implosion.

OK That's solved nothing to see here, move along.

Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by zoomer72

 

no I meant the life boat was smacked around and damaged but if the steel was sprung over the area that collapsed it would have bounced the lifeboat around..and damaged it and the bouncing life boat was damaged like it bounced off the super structure...which was also damaged...
would have sounded like an explosion
if someone forgot to open a valve the captain may have said attack to avoid responsibility...

I think you and who was it that said suction in the first place? may have solved the riddle.
lookin good so far

ahh sorry misunderstood that one , yes then that would be the case if there was an tank of somekind embedded in the hull structure? dont know that design but usually the fuel tanks what i know of are apart from hull...and for that reason that if they explode the hull has better chances to survive ,and the cargo tanks werent on that location? right?

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No problem,
love your work, I hope JLafleur drops by to get his kudos...



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Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by zoomer72

 

No problem,
love your work, I hope JLafleur drops by to get his kudos...



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actually JBA2848 brought up the vid, i just commented with a quote on it...

i was against that idea of implosion because there would be lots internal damage too if the tanks are embedded to the hull, if they are not no damage of implosion should not show outside... only inside but cheers anyway!

dont know the schematics of Japanese tankers, just know little about Finnish so if the tanks are embedded to the hull that implosion very well might be the case.
But it still doesnt explain the flash



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I remember coming across a recent ATS article regarding a new potential weapon that uses ‘sound bullets’. Could be that others are working on a similar projects and this was a ‘test’ firing.

Link - www.abovetopsecret.com...

The damage looks isolated and it is hard for me to imagine a wave that narrow.

no thing

The ATS Howitzer Prize for Investigative Threadism goes to:

Joint winners:
#1 jlafleur02 - Picture looks to me like an implosion.
#1 Zoomer72 - for mentioning internal 'pressure'
#1 JBA2848 - for the implosion video

#999 Vitchilo - (Sorry Vitch) booby prize to the OP for "Could be a car window reflecting the sun." [What at 00:30???]

BTW @Loki - Star Wars cards may be deposited at the back of the thread.

Coffee and Canadian beer will be served at the ATS canteen

And just so as the Mods don't zap this (I'm watching) I consider that we as a team have successfully reasoned out the events that may have taken place with regard to the "URGENT: Japanese tanker explodes near Strait of Hormuz" posting by Vitchillo.

[edit by PuterMan] Now we sit back and see what nonsense the authorities come up with!

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But it still doesnt explain the flash

I thought we covered that. Car screen reflecting the sun, or scientists tracking humpback whales by search light.

Realistically thought coincidental vehicle on a coast road?

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what Puterman said
sorry JBA2848 i got mixed up going back to double check
awesome work

the flash?
good point...
as godzilla flew went over the horizon he lit a green angel...

If the crew were covering for a breach in proceedure maybe there was no flash - team cover up...
a cigarette being lit on deck with a zippo is visible for up to a couple of miles...they used to tell submariners in ww2 not to smoke on deck at night for that reason, so if there was a flash...heat lightning or a search light as it is being pointed around will do...
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the sound cannon is good, but they don't seem to have it up to the level needed here, and it would have to have been mounted on something that would have shown on radar or sonar I would think.

Still i'm glad it was mentioned i didn't know they were onto that .



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Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by zoomer72

 

But it still doesnt explain the flash

I thought we covered that. Car screen reflecting the sun, or scientists tracking humpback whales by search light.

Realistically thought coincidental vehicle on a coast road?

could be yes! stranger things have happened! but i still would like to know were there actually some tanks embedded to hull at that point of ship or any internal damage cause if outside looks like that what the hell it looks like inside the ship? outer structure is way harder than inner me suspective ..nawh anyways implosion seems more likely atm alltough those valves usually are computer controlled etc and i havent seen that kind of damage ever before and been working with tankers,small and super sized...

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fuel bunkers and pump room are right where the implosion was
en.wikipedia.org...

someone may not have done something in the process whether they missed a warning, or they were on the wrong page, or they were playing poker or watching porn...or they manually flipped the wrong switch...or they routed something throught the wrong pump...

you obviously have the experience we don't have...

the caption from the video says a trainng video which shows staff of the rail road what happens if they don't vent the tank properly while cleaning it...

so It really looks like a crew error

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aha here we go
www.trainorders.com...,1894873

a discussion of the video where they say they were steam cleaning the tank and left the steam in side and didn't vent it...and...
!foop





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Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by zoomer72

 

fuel bunkers and pump room are right where the implosion was
en.wikipedia.org...

someone may not have done something in the process whether they missed a warning, or they were on the wrong page, or they were playing poker or watching porn...or they manually flipped the wrong switch...or they routed something throught the wrong pump...

you obviously have the experience we don't have...

the caption from the video says a trainng video which shows staff of the rail road what happens if they don't vent the tank properly while cleaning it...

so It really looks like a crew error

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you could be correct , but what bothers me is inside side of the tank is not so strong than the ships double hull so if the tank is embedded to the inside of the hull so if there was implosion the inside would give in first in my opinion thus the damage would only be inside then? and if the tank is actually inside the hull as separate compartment no damage would got to hull
damn something just doesnt add up here sorry
and maybe i am just chewing a chewed bone here but...

anyways must get some sleep now great thread and views alltogether ,this is what ATS is all about to all

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oops
check the comments on the link on my last edit
sorry for all the edits
You may be right though. by the sounds of it you have the most experience so far of any of us, and it is right to pick away as we want to get it right...thats coffee and beer in the balance after all..

Again part of Israeli conspiracy ...

Zoomer
We were assuming fuel tank because of the pump
but there is a big pump room on the tanker because crude is thick and requires big gear to pump and it must be moved to hight, 600 LBs psi was the first crude pump I looked up
I bet tanker pumps go up from there
Would that kind of suction collapse an un vented water tight?

Lets say the water tight compartments in the hull must have vents and pumping out arrangements so say the pumping was routed from the watertight through a pump that got the un vented water tight down to close to zero pressure where it was in the implosion range

A mistake the captain would have to cover up with the attack scenario.
how does that work for you?

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Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by zoomer72

 

But it still doesnt explain the flash

I thought we covered that. Car screen reflecting the sun, or scientists tracking humpback whales by search light.

Realistically thought coincidental vehicle on a coast road?

Why would someone need a search light if there is sun to reflect off of cars?

This happen at 00:30, so there was no sun out... And a search light would probably give more than just a single flash... Not to mention, why would scientists be trying to track whales in the middle of the night?

Originally posted by jennybee35
I hope that this hasn't already been answered

The caption under the photo in this link:www.msnbc.msn.com... From Demoncreeper says

n this photo released by the Emirates News Agency (WAM), damage is seen on the side of the M. Star oil supertanker as it arrives at Fujairah port in the United Arab Emirates Wednesday.

So the tanker arrived at port empty? Where was the fuel offloaded? Wouldn't that part of the hull have been underwater if the tanker was fully loaded?

I think once she arrived in port, they probably pumped enough oil and trim ballast out to raise her above her load waterline. That way they could more easily inspect the damage.

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I was about to post about the possibility of them having pumped out the tanks too before the photo was taken.

I still think it's a possible sub collision.

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the draft is aprox 28 meters or 78 feet so I don't think it was pumped out.
that looks like the water line I think...the caption says
"as it arrived" and it looks to be under way...entering port
here she is under way loaded I think

www.google.com...

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as you can see in the pic of her entering harbour the bildge pump is just above the water line they don't submerge past the bilge pump



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The ship is in a harbour now and was inspected, I don't think the crew can cover up an implosion.

Questions Swirl About Damaged Japanese Tanker

With the tanker docked in the United Arab Emirates, the owner, Mitsui O.S.K. Lines, and port officials puzzled over precisely what had shattered windows on the vessel, knocked off a lifeboat and punched a dent into its hull.

The shipping company told reporters it was continuing to investigate, with help from Britain’s Maritime Trade Operations and the United States Navy.

American military officials were dubious of Mitsui’s contention that the tanker had been attacked, saying that the photographs showed that damage more consistent with a collision of some kind, perhaps with a dock or another ship. But the Mitsui officials reported no collisions.

Photos of the interior show broken ceiling panels and exposed insulation and wiring in one of the dining rooms.

Ted Karasik, a Dubai-based security analyst, said that the leading theory there was that an old mine was adrift and bumped the ship; if it had degraded, it could have simply produced a pressure blast. There are still mines in the region from the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s. Another possibility, he said, was a collision with another ship.