Any Mixed Martial Arts Fans Here?

reply to post by speculativeoptimist


Oh wow looks nasty, you know I have a scar on my shin from back when I was about 14yr old, "not fighting related" but it was even worse then Melvin's shin injury, the scar has shrunk since back then but its still pretty recognizable on my shin as it went in the bone pretty deep. Hopefully he will heal up quickly as it looks more like a flesh injury mostly, and those actually bleed more and look nastier.

But I want to make a point into shin kicks, not only do you have to harden up your shins and deaden you nerves over time, but you have to know what your doing and were your aiming, and at what angle. If you kick at the wrong angle or in the wrong spot like in the hard part of the knee like Manhoef did you can potentially do serious harm to yourself if not end up breaking your shin bones.

That's why I cringe when people always keep there leg straight in front of them without bending the knee when they fight, one good hard leg kick and it will be gone. Even dudes who have been doing it for a long time like Muay Thai boxers or fighters like Cro Cop who can kick those banana trees. Well once you start checking there kicks they will stop kicking, it's all a matter of angles and pressure if you hit the hard part of the knee or the opponents shin while he is blocking it. You do stand a chance of injury or breakage even with years of practice and hardening of the shin bones.

The thing is you have greater chance of damage when you kick a dude then when your blocking or checking a low kick, because when your checking your shin bone and leg are at an angle and can absorb the incoming hit.

But when you kick the moment you make contact your leg extends and your shin is straight compared to the guy who is blocking it who's shin and leg is bent at an angle to absorb the impact better. When it comes in contact with the opponents shin, that puts a lot of pressure on a small area of your shin bone, and its like breaking a board. Its a lot easier to break the board while somebody is holding it straight and you hit it right in the middle, then it would be when its at an angle and you cant hit it right down the middle for a clean break.

Same concept applies to shin kicks.

But once again no doubt people seen these vids, and i don't think we get to many people coming to our little mma thread, here is a more visual point in what I was talking about.


And here is a vid with a apt song that has a few shin breaks in it. With all the glorifying mma is getting lately its good to put it into peoples heads that though its a sport it ain't all just fun, the dudes who get in there are not messing around, and they put there life and health on the line each and every time they step in the octagon or the ring.


And even in amateur fights with pads on it can and does happen, just seen this on the youtube, the dude in blue breaks his shin at about 2:33 into the fight if you don't want to watch the whole thing.


And also why not! This Forest Griffin demonstration on some dude on how not to stand when absorbing a kick, well according to that vid he had a hairline fracture on his femur from that lazy kick Forrest threw.

reply to post by galadofwarthethird

Good points hombre, check check check those kicks! It does seem that not enough fighters either are aware of the checks, or do not know how to properly exercise them, but yes, they are vital in fighting. Manhoef's kick is devastating too, and I think he would have won the fight.
What did you think of Jay Paul friend?

spec

reply to post by speculativeoptimist


The highest level strikers I have met have put all their knowledge of striking towards avoiding damage themselves.

They know that a missed strike wastes more energy kinetically and psychically it can begin to really drain even the most confident opponent.

This most commonly occurs when they decide they are tired of getting hit so often. Truth.

I think all current UFC champs will keep their titles for at least another year EXCEPT for Dos Santos, who will be decimated by Overeem!

No sign of Bones losing... Machida was about the best they could throw at him!

reply to post by MasterGemini

True true MG, Anderson Silva is a master of this too, both defending strikes and being conservative, striking only at an opening. Defense is just a big a part as offense for sure.

spec

reply to post by DeReK DaRkLy


I agree for the most part man, and I am curious how the odds will play out on the Dos Santos Overeem fight. I do not know how Overeems chin is, but I think that will make a difference, because Santos will definitely get some hits in. But he may be overpowered by Overeem too. Although, I thought Cain would do the same.
Jones will maintain his title me thinks, but at the same time, Rashad has the ability to upset Jones too. He is explosive and has that awesome athleticism that makes him formidable in any fight. Plus he knows Jones's strategy and abilities, for the most part.

spec

Originally posted by speculativeoptimist
reply to post by galadofwarthethird

 

Good points hombre, check check check those kicks! It does seem that not enough fighters either are aware of the checks, or do not know how to properly exercise them, but yes, they are vital in fighting. Manhoef's kick is devastating too, and I think he would have won the fight.
What did you think of Jay Paul friend?

spec

Check check those kicks is right. Many people underestimate the low leg kick, but it will f u up, and if you get hit flushed on the inside thigh it will cramp you up, as well as hurt, slowing your movements a lot. You don't feel all that during the fight but the day after when the rush and adrenaline wears off, oh you will be limping for days.

On Jay Paul, he has moxy and has pretty good hands, but like hawkiye said I dont think he can handle the better graplers out there, if he gets his ground game up then he should be pretty good. I cant really say much since I only heard or seen your vid you linked, one thing though the dude is a character.

And the fight world is chock full of interesting people...The more the merrier I say, as the sport grows hopefully more athletes will come into it. It will make for more interesting fights, better shows, better pay for the fighters, and the most important thing. There wont be a shortage of people to beat up any time soon.

reply to post by galadofwarthethird

Yes, the more the merrier for sure. I think Jay will do well. He is young and hungry and has the desire and discipline to thrive, imo. I think he will soak up the ground training and become a formidable fighter. He has a ways to go, but I think he is doing the right things for preparation, and has the right attitude. Plus he is swamp tough, and may be training with gators as part of his ground game development! Watch out for his gator roll choke!

spec

reply to post by DeReK DaRkLy


I dont know about that I think Dos Santos has a very good chance at taking Overeem.

And bones, I can see him losing also, machida tried the wrong style on him, and to tell the truth with bones length and skills machida and his evasive style play into bones game not the other way around like most of machidas opponents.

I still think shogun can take him, and not only that but I think he can keep the belt for a long while to. I dont know what is going on in shogun's head, but the first fight was pathetic, not only did he not use one of his strengths his leg kicks on bones who has spindly legs.

But he fought sloppy, really sloppy, worse then when he lost to griffin when he came to the UFC and the only reason he lost in that griffin fight was that his acl's were blown and he was way out of shape and practice, I think he had not trained in the years before pride fell, and he signed to the UFC. No really if you watch the fight again, every-time he went to take Forrest down as soon as he got to a certain level his knees just gave out and he kind of just stumbled and fell and tried to tangle forest as he knew he was going to end up on the ground.

Rashad is at a disadvantage, in both size and skill, but he can win no doubt. Plus I think there teammates like spec said, and by now he should know Bones and his style and quirks which will play in his favor if he has the right game-plan and execution.

Bones is good but I don't think he will have such a easy time as everyone seems to think. And neither will overeem I dont see them walking through the competition. But in mma who knows, we will see.

reply to post by speculativeoptimist


Lets hope so...

Hey if he has wrestled gators before in the swamp, maybe one day we can see him fighting Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza, as his nick name is the gator. A pretty good jiu jitsu fighter as I am sure you know. Maybe in a few years from now he might stand a chance against that gator, as it is now I think Jacare would tie him into knots on the ground. The more fighters the merrier however.

reply to post by DeReK DaRkLy


Yeah the only way Jones is losing is to a lucky shot, a lay and pray, or if Anderson Silva decides he wants to find out if he's actually as good as he thinks he is.

I'd still give the edge to Jones vs Silva too..

I think Henderson could lose his belt within the year though. LW is a stacked division and Bendo isn't on the same caliber as Silva, Jones, GSP, or Aldo.

I don't know enough about the BW division, but I don't think Faber has a chance vs Cruz either.

UH-OH!

www.mmasucka.com...

Alastair Overeem got caught for steriods... Almost as shocking as Cyborg Santos testing positive!

reply to post by Buddha1098

What a surprise huh? Oh well, you play you pay. So who would we like to see replace him for ufc 146? I would like to see a Cain rematch, or Bigfoot Silva's ufc debut now that he is in.
Carwin is still healing from surgery, and the other heavy weights are already scheduled to fight.
Oh Overeem, just how big do you need to get man?!?!

spec

reply to post by Buddha1098

Alastair Overeem got caught for steriods...

NOOOOOOOoOoOOoOo!!!!!!
Surely he's just making extra naturally because he kicks so much ass...

reply to post by DeReK DaRkLy

Surely he's just making extra naturally because he kicks so much ass.

Now that's a damn good excuse if I ever heard one!

reply to post by speculativeoptimist


Yeah, there has to be some mistake...

I think he just got caught playing Asteroids... yeah, that's it!

reply to post by DeReK DaRkLy

A-steroids.

Your killin' me over here!

reply to post by DeReK DaRkLy


Haha! Did you hear what Rogan said about the Reem? "He looks like someone at Marvel comics drew someone who is genetically engineered to f*** your Girlfriend."

Who knew it wasn't genetic engineering, but super soldier serum? :

reply to post by speculativeoptimist


Dana if you are reading this... Sign Fedor!

He's lost some lustre obviously but Fedor vs Dos Santos is the only fight I'd pay to see of the options that are available.

reply to post by Buddha1098

Haha! Did you hear what Rogan said about the Reem? "He looks like someone at Marvel comics drew someone who is genetically engineered to f*** your Girlfriend."

Lmao!!
Was that on his podcast? Do you remember which podcast number?