N. Korea Warns U.S., Threatens to Turn S. Korea Into 'Sea of Fire'

reply to post by CaptGizmo


dude they should outlaw your avatar you might find people are confrontational because it is so irratating lol

No Harm
Be Well

reply to post by Gorman91


spot on im not exactly pro iran but the human violations against there own people iran is a saint almost when compared to NK thats not saying much as NK is about as bad to its people as you can be as a dictator and for some reason get away with it i just hope no one starts lobbing nukes around

back to topic on the north vs south issue nk has a million more men then SK wich is why the south takes a more westernized approach to there defense (machines over manpower tech over numerical superiority )the south has the US military's support where as china will probably get involved if it looks like NK would be completely over run or step in and force a diplomatic situation so in the event of continued war on the peninsula id give the edge to the southern alliance but only until china thinks its gone to far or becomes a risk to there national sovereignty

China dosent want a war with the us at the moment and we dont exactly rellish a land war in asia as it goes against most rules in our playbook so hopefully this eitehr blows over with a regime change or atleast dosent escalate to a nuclear level event

Originally posted by frozenspark
I really do not understand North Korea... who has their back? If they as much as drop one bomb on South Korea, the whole country of NK will be carpetbombed, corner to corner.

[edit on 22-7-2010 by frozenspark]

China.

China has strong ties to N.Korea. And while they have been somewhat more muted on the N.Korean attack on the S.Korean vessel, they have made their opinion on this military exercise known, and they're not happy about it.

China seems to have a difficult relationship with America. They rely on their friendship for financial reasons, but everything else seems to be fraught with disagreement.

And with the current state of American finances, and the expected impending collapse of the $, America's reason for being China's ally is potentially about to be destroyed.

Things seem to be converging. I don't relish the possibility of the $ collapsing while American military exercises are going on in any area under China's sphere of influence.

But then we have to consider, if independent Economists are predicting the collapse of the US financial system this year, perhaps positioning American military power close to China is a precautionary move?

The exercise is happening to cover the South as in protection in case Lil Kim does something stupid again, because Iran is about to be hit soon.

Many people have said a huge war starts when a U.S. carrier is sunk. The George Washington is participating in these exercises. Hopefully Lil Kim is not that dumb. I don't care who it is, even if Russia attacked one we would send nukes in a massive response.

Iran and its allies know they only have till August 8th and after that day they can be hit at any time, Knowing the Israelis they could strike the day before.

Another threat LOL. When will any of us learn that its all a joke? Lil Kim isn't going to do anything to anyone. He's all talk and no action. He feels threatened by the US and SK, So its like when two siblings fight, they threaten to tell on them. Well in this case, it's no different. All talk, no action. The military excercises will be completed as planned, and Lil kim, will complain about it. End of story.

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There's plenty to gain from it. We have not had a justifiable war since WW2. A massive justifiable war would ensure US glory for years to come.

Originally posted by Gorman91

There's plenty to gain from it. We have not had a justifiable war since WW2. A massive justifiable war would ensure US glory for years to come.

US has been, rightfully/wrongfully, killing people in the Mid-East for decades... 9/11 happened in retaliation and US justifiably decided to go into over-drive with forceful regime change.

Justified?

Either way.... Unless NK sends a missile to Japan or US.. or a US ACC is sunk, the average American won't be rooting in this Korean war.

Originally posted by Danbones
Remember how the south korean leader announced he was going to invade the north and the north reacted by attacking...

Loose lips and stupid claims can lead to bad things...like wars that don't end.


[edit on 22-7-2010 by Danbones]

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With some significant experience in the sphere of
modern battlespaces, I can illustrate an event during
President Ronald Reagan's era from 1980 to 1988
during a NATO command exercise "Able Archer 83"
starting on November 2, 1983 that spanned 10 days over
almost all of Western Europe which very nearly caused
World War 3 because the then Soviet Union leadership
REALLY THOUGHT a nuclear first strike was imminent
from the western sphere.

At one point, a "Technical Operations Advance Briefing"
document was sent to Soviet field commanders giving ultimate
firing authority for nuclear assets to in-field command
personnel and NOT the higher ups. An attack from the
West was widely believed to occur within 36 hours
and at that time the Nuclear Missile submarines
of the Soviet Union were put on the alert
for general operational response standby.

See Weblink:
en.wikipedia.org...

The Soviet leadership were much, much more paranoid
than we were led to believe and it wasn't until the
post-Soviet era that the west was able to fully perceive
how close to a full 12 Gigaton Multi-city Nuclear
exchange we really were!

It can take ONE SINGLE COMMANDER to be overly paranoid
and order an in-field attack and then all hell breaks loose!

Conversely, it can also take only ONE PERSON to STOP WW3:

See:
Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov
en.wikipedia.org...

With regards to North Korea, the west is grotesquely
uninformed about the true state of mind within the
upper-level leadership. This means we CANNOT ASSUME
that our actions will NOT come without SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES !!!!

IF THERE IS ANY OFFICER OF ANY AGENCY READING THIS ATS POST
then I IMPLORE YOU to read about the BACKGROUND of
Able Archer 83 so that YOUR LEADERSHIP gains a better
understanding of the current state-of-mind of the NK leadership
WHICH NEEDS TO BE ASSESSED on a much deeper level.

Do Not Assume that the current paranoia is mere
Sabre-Rattling !!! When nutcases make threats they
usually INTEND to carry them out at SOME POINT
DOWN THE LINE !!!!

As a matter of policy, North Korea is MILITARILY STRONG
but economically WEAK and thus the potential for an
ACCIDENTAL EXPLOSION of the powderkeg that is the
Korean Penninsula is NOT TO BE UNDERESTIMATED !!!!!

That said...We MUST ALSO FOLLOW THE POLICY OF
RONALD REAGAN....Speak Softly but Carry a Very, Very Big Stick!

And because China has a large say in what happens in North Korea,
Make it VERY CLEAR TO CHINA that WE WILL NOT STAND for
an attack on South Korea or on Japan by North Korea and that
ANY actions of ANY party which would threaten the sanctity
of South Korea OR Japan would be met with the FULLEST OF
MILITARY FORCE up to and INCLUDING a directed nuclear
bombardment of the aggressor(s).

In this case I AM A SUPER-HAWK...Big forces need to met with
MUCH BIGGER STICKS TO CAUSE A BACKDOWN from BOTH
North Korea AND China....Top Dogs MUST ESTABLISH A PECKING
ORDER RIGHT FROM THE OUTSET and WE ARE TOP DOG when it
comes to the safety of South Korea and Japan whom we are
BOTH SWORN TO DEFEND!!!

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As an aside, I decided to add this tidbit on what can happen
BY WAY OF ACCIDENT simply because of misunderstandings
and paranoia or simple stupidity.

20 Mishaps that Might Have Started Accidental Nuclear War:

www.wagingpeace.org...

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Originally posted by triplescorpio
reply to post by CaptGizmo

 

dude they should outlaw your avatar you might find people are confrontational because it is so irratating lol

No Harm
Be Well

that is so crazy,.
I was thinkin the same thing when I saw it,..
Yeah,. Kimbo is the new Napoleon

reply to post by StargateSG7

My problem with it all is this:
The gulf of Tonkin never happened.
We still had the Vietnam war
( named it after the victim )
Just an example of a false flag event to justify an imperialist invasion.
Every country in the world knows this was a false flag event.

Sanctions like the ones just leveled against IRAN and NK are acts of war.
Hitlery Clinton did a college thesis on Saul Lewinsky- his claim to fame?
Support for the tactic of leveling the most outlandish and untrue accusations against an opponent to justify the most low of behaviors against him.
Like Hitler's tactic against Poland in WW2.

Sanctions will only weigh the people down in NK and prevent them from fixing their own governmental problems, just like economic collapse is preventing the populations from dealing correctly with the fascist bankers that control the US and the UK and EU and the other western powers.

Considering what the US has done in IRAQ with DU which is a slow mo nuclear war, and no WMD no 911 no nothing...
Id say Kim is small change compared to the real problem...

But hey, Kim is the dictatoehead all these names would like to be...he didn't get there on his own and he doesn't stay ther on his own...
like the US admitting they installed Pol Pot...Mao...the Shaw..Saddam..etc

Scary...

Gotta love North Korea. They have such a creative mind when thinking up threatening scenarios.

Which evil threat will be next?

1. "We will bring down the moon, and crush the planet!"
2. We will turn the world into a small butter tray--and USE IT!"
3. "Fire...melting.. bla bla, you know. death stuff.."
4. "Beware, or we shall loose our ULTIMATE WEAPON!"

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reply to post by CanadianDream420


Like I said, there's been no justifiable war since WW2.

But there is plenty to gain and justify for a war in Korea.

Gizmo, FPS Doug ftw

Anyway, this has the potencial to oh so wrong tbh. One nuke or dirty bomb and we are off back into another bloody mess just as I get back into the millitary too

reply to post by CanadianDream420



Here's an olive branch or two, that should make Kim happy....(sic)



english.yonhapnews.co.kr...

www.arirang.co.kr...

[edit on 22-7-2010 by freetree64]

Oh crap, another sea of fire? We have one already in the gulf. I have to call little Kim to remind him how expensive whole sea fire extinguishers are. Bahgdad Bob anybody?

Ouch!!!! Now they in Kim's wallet!!!!, we might get a reaction yet.....




english.chosun.com...

have said it before, will say it again:

Lil' Kim's pronouncements of wrath are intended mostly for citizens INSIDE North Korea rather than nations outside...this is the key to understanding the madness. Its a way of terrifying his own population, which is growing increasingly unsatisfied and difficult to control after 20 years of on-again, off-again famine and the increasing pourousness of the border with China. This latter factor is allowing a new influx of cell-phone images and DVDs that are showing the increasingly-angry North Korean people how badly their own gov't has lied to them. Now that the gov't propaganda machine is breaking down, the threat of war is the glue that is binding a desperate, fraying nation together.

reply to post by silent thunder



Yeah, but now they are "peeved"......





english.chosun.com...

All kidding aside I would be worried if their state media did'nt say something of this nature. Status quo is probably good in this case, as it is every other time they say "look out or bad things will happen".I just feel bad for the average citizen of N.K. Read a story recently where most surgeries are done with little or no anethesia.

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