No charges over G20 man's death

reply to post by Freeborn
Source: Arrse.co.uk

Mr Starmer said prosecutors did not believe they could prove a "causal link" between the alleged assault on Mr Tomlinson and his death, adding there is "sharp disagreement" between medical experts about what led to Mr Tomlinson's death that was "irreconcilable".

The only one of them which states unequivocally that death was as a result of a heart attack unconnected with the strike or fall was conducted by Dr Mohmed Saeed Sulema Patel who's currently before the GMC Fitness to Practise Panel for "impairment by reason of misconduct and deficient professional performance."

"quis custodiet ipsos custodes"...

By this scandal going fairly silent, your government has shifted its boundary of acceptable crimes even further away.

Why judge this man when government has a perfect opportunity to test just how far they can push it. Sadly, I think they are satisfied with results.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
Off topic much, or just immature trolling?

Grow up.

-- Incidentally DARK GHOST - if you keep spamming my inbox, i will report you to a moderator. If you don't like my opinions, fine... but what you are doing is very childish.

Right...?

Sorry to disappoint you, but your threats strike about as much fear in me as does, Archimedes, my pet lizard. I do hope they return the bear though.

reply to post by Dark Ghost


That wasn't a threat - it was a civil request for you to stop spamming and to keep things ON-TOPIC. This is the last I'm saying about it.

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ON TOPIC: Several facebook groups have sprung up accusing the police of being above the law. It seems the public are very angry with the decisions.

reply to post by foxhoundone


There were three autopsies performed; one immediately after death, the findings of which can now only be described as highly suspect.
The second was performed at the request of the deceased's familly and found that death was the result of internal bleeding due to blunt force trauma to the abdomen.
The third post mortem, performed at the request of the officer due to the conflicting evidence of the first two, agreed with the findings of the second.

From a layman's point of view, granted with relatively limited knowledge, I would suggest that the bleeding was from either one or a combination of the blows Tomlinson received from the police officer.

There is substantial video evidence to support this.

I have known quite a few private individuals be tried and convicted on far less clear video and circumstantial evidence.



[edit on 22/7/10 by Freeborn]

Originally posted by mr-lizard

ON TOPIC: Several facebook groups have sprung up accusing the police of being above the law. It seems the public are very angry with the decisions.

Good, they should be!

It does seem that facebook is increasingly being used as a political tool, especially for voicing opinion on corruption and abuse of power.

Originally posted by mr-lizard


ON TOPIC: Several facebook groups have sprung up accusing the police of being above the law. It seems the public are very angry with the decisions.

Dammit I hope so. If there aren't mass protests on the streets, akin to the poll tax riots, then I won't be a happy bunny. These murderers MUST be stopped!

Agreed I dont have a problem with the police its their abuse of power that gets me a friend was recently arrested (for no reason other than he stood up to the officers) I video the incident and they seize my cameraphone. Surprise Surprise no charges brought phone returned to me with the video missing.

Originally posted by woodward
Agreed I dont have a problem with the police its their abuse of power that gets me a friend was recently arrested (for no reason other than he stood up to the officers) I video the incident and they seize my cameraphone. Surprise Surprise no charges brought phone returned to me with the video missing.

^^blatent homegrown terrorist. Arrest this poster now!!

Sorry you had to go through that, it must have been infuriating.

Police are scum. I am a police hater. And proud.

Originally posted by woodward
Agreed I dont have a problem with the police its their abuse of power that gets me a friend was recently arrested (for no reason other than he stood up to the officers) I video the incident and they seize my cameraphone. Surprise Surprise no charges brought phone returned to me with the video missing.

www.policespecials.com...

Unless you were obstructing the police or under suspicion of being a terrorist, i don't think the police can LEGALLY do what they did...

A travesty, any respect people have had for the police forces will have evaporated. I feel this just wasn't necessary; I have a relative in the UK police a very nice girl and she cares about her job and her responsibility. Testosterone fuelled poorly trained brutes like the officer who killed this gentleman tarnish not only the name of every officer on the force but waste millions of pounds in court costs and obviously damage the family’s life irreparably.

What a sad day for British law and policing.

the decision not to prosecute this officer is a disgrace. we can all see with our own eyes what he did to ian tomlinson. at the very least he is guilty of assault or actual bodily harm.

some, not all, police are liars and are corrupt.

some years ago my partner and i were arrested and taken to the local station, charged and locked up for a whole day.
while i was in a cell, i could hear officers outside my cell door discussing what lewd acts they would like to do to me, what they were saying was disgusting. i was intimidated and frightened and felt vulnerable. after charges were dropped and i was released, i asked to make a complaint against these officers, but nothing ever came of it because they denied saying anything that i accused them of. denied it to my face, and straight faced.

i discovered later that during our arrest, (they took us to the station separately), the leading officer and his colleagues had pushed my partner face down on the floor, they had his legs crossed and bent up towards his back, and another officer had his boot grinding into my partner's face. the leading officer then handcuffed him behind his back while he was still on the floor, and without waiting for the other officers to release their hold he pulled my partner up by the rigid handcuffs with enough force to break his wrist at the ulna.
he was in great pain and they denied him medical attention for the whole day and took him to the hospital around 9pm, he had been arrested at 6am that morning. the docs advised my partner to sue the police and gave him their cards to pass on to his solicitors and they will attest in court that the police had used unreasonable force.
three years later it finally got to court, and i was shocked that these police officers (six of them were involved in the arrest that morning) all stood up in court, and on oath each and every one of them lied through their back teeth to get their friend and colleague off.
in court, they all said he resisted arrest and that he sustained his injury because he fell over. but all their individual original arrest reports didnt contain this info, but none of them gave any mention of ANY injury in any of their depositions, except to say my patner had complained to them that his wrist had been broken. the leading officer didnt submit his report at all, the judge wasnt happy, and my partner won quite a substantial compensation.
but the officers involved kept their jobs, probably to continue bullying and injuring the people they are supposed to protect.

my confidence in the police force in our united kingdom from then on remains non-existent.

we have liars and crooks policing our streets.

is there anything we can do?

Sorry to hear about your ordeal, I'm glad you received some kind of compensation. Your story gives credence to the growing social attitude towards the police of the "Them and Us" mindset. Instead of fulfilling a duty to the public they seem to be protecting each other. I have a friend a very slight girl who couldn’t hurt a fly even if she wanted to who was arrested for assault for slapping a guy at a nightclub who was inappropriate to her. The guy took her to court and tried to sue her saying that she brutally attacked him and mentally scarred him for life. She was convicted and was given a 70 hour community order to be served with paedophiles, rapists and their ilk. She now finds it near impossible to get a job without people automatically assuming she’s the worst type of person in the world.

Yet we see this police officer get acquitted from any charges for killing a man. Stinks of the corruption doobydoll experienced.

i also know someone who was arrested for supplying class b drugs, and caught him with 6 ounces of amphetamine in 6 separate 1 ounce (28g) bags.
but when he attended court on that charge, the prosecution produced a lab report which listed the six bags as each containing 20g of amphetamine, not 28g.

this person quietly pointed out this discrepancy to his brief, but was advised to not say anything in court because to volunteer that he actually had more drugs in his possession, well it wouldnt look too good for him.

there wasnt any suggestion from his brief that this should be investigated further. his brief said he has been involved in cases where this happens quite often.

its shocking and a disgrace.

this makes the police far worse criminals than the criminals they arrest in my opinion.

they break laws they are paid to uphold.

my question - who polices the police???

This is a bad day for the UK law abiding citizen - as if we haven't had enough of our rights taken away from us as it is. The police are bad, but the Met ARE nasty. Get involved with the MET, kiss goodbye to any freedoms that you DID have.

This mans family deserve JUSTICE for the man/brother/father that they've lost. I hope they get it, and I hope that Met Officer get's his just desserts, preferably a hearing date and a stint at HM pleasure!

Here's the reaction from the poor family, it choked me when I saw it.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Originally posted by woodward
The police in this country go around doing as they please making up laws as they go along. If I push someone over in the street I will face a manslaughter charge in court why is this any different?

who are you? there cant be 2 woodwards on here, making exactly the same point i made, whats going on?

Originally posted by doobydoll
i also know someone who was arrested for supplying class b drugs, and caught him with 6 ounces of amphetamine in 6 separate 1 ounce (28g) bags.
but when he attended court on that charge, the prosecution produced a lab report which listed the six bags as each containing 20g of amphetamine, not 28g.

this person quietly pointed out this discrepancy to his brief, but was advised to not say anything in court because to volunteer that he actually had more drugs in his possession, well it wouldnt look too good for him.

there wasnt any suggestion from his brief that this should be investigated further. his brief said he has been involved in cases where this happens quite often.

its shocking and a disgrace.

this makes the police far worse criminals than the criminals they arrest in my opinion.

they break laws they are paid to uphold.

my question - who polices the police???

Must've been good whiz for the cops to steal nearly 2 ounces for themselves, may be this could go some way towards explaining some of the arrogant brutal behaviour, they're speeding their t!ts off!

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Is your auld man on here woody?

Could be confusing!!

On topic.

It would be easy to turn this into quite the cop hating thread.
I have quite a few stories of my own relating to police brutality, corruption and dishonesty.

To be fair and balanced I also know a few stories that shows them in good stead.

Unfortunately not enough to redress the balance.

The Police should be beyond reproach and there should be processes and procedures that ensure their integrity and public confidence in them remains intact at all times.

This is not happening at present and respect for The Police is at an all time low and even some of the most upright law abiding citizens have nothing but contempt for them.

The Police are also becoming more involved in law making where it seems their priority is ease of crime prevention and detection with complete disregard for civil liberties and individual freedoms.

The Police are becoming increasingly isolated from society at large and are becoming more and more an agent and tool of the government of the day instead of an independant law enforcement force it should be.

Episodes like this re-inforce the view that it is 'one law for them, one for us' and that The Police are above the law they should be upholding.

Keep the posts on topic. There will be no more posting to the poster.

Further deviations from this will result in post removal.