A Warning to the Arizona Militias and those who support it

How many of you play chess?

How many of you know how to make strategic moves so that your opponent traps himself in a corner, leaving his king wide open?

Well, I propose that is exactly what is happening with the situation on our borders.

What if the cartels that are down there are paid by the U.S. and Mexican governments who are in cahoots to not only profit from the drug war and human smuggling, but, also have a much more sinister and greater plan that they are ready to impose? Its no secret that the U.S. has employed many warlords to do their bidding in the past in order to affect a specific outcome. Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden are two that immediately come to mind.

Now, we have a good majority of the country that are begging for the borders to be secured. They are begging for either a fence, or a military that will enforce the rules, and or both. So, in effect, there's a huge problem that needs solved and then a solution must be created.

What if this problem of the borders not being secured is intentionally being exasperated because of the new law Arizona has passed? What if this law was engineered by the federal government but made to appear as if Arizona was the one that passed it after finally getting fed up about the illegal immigration "problem?" Remember, politicians all shake hands behind closed doors which is invisible to the public eye.

Here's the scenario I foresee.

Right now we have militias gearing up to go down there and fight against the cartels that "appear" to be running rampant. The situation will escalate once blood begins to get shed, forcing the majority of the public to "demand" that something be done. The President will finally enact, probably with some address to the nation, and then send troops to the borders. Once this happens, they will, in fact, choose to seal the borders and round up anyone who actually participated in the violence...But, it won't stop there. They will then label anyone who participates in any militia as a domestic threat, and begin to get intel on anyone who has ever been a member. They will then seek out these people and round them up to be locked away to where they will never see the light of day again. After of which, this fence that is put up on the border will prevent anyone from getting in, and more importantly, anyone from getting out. This will be the first stages of martial law being declared within our country. This will be the method to remove anyone who shows a patriotic duty to the country verses the growing totalitarian condition of the state, which is one step closer to gaining full compliance of the American public, who is already too apathetic to make any notable changes to this country's deteriorating condition.

This is chess people. The Powers that Be are counting on aggression from the people in order to have an excuse to beat them into submission. If you need any proof of this, you might want to think about all of the police beatings and taserings that have been happening recently. Do you think any of this is an accident? They are pulling strings and the American public continues to dance to the puppeteering of the elite. Think about it.

Don't be so reactive. Think with intellect, planning, and with an idea of how and why the game is played. Think about what is at stake and what the motives would be for what is happening at the borders. Truthfully, why do you think that the federal government has waited this long to enact? What do they stand to gain or lose? Illegal drugs makes the government tons of cash, both through resale and jailing people into the system. Illegal immigration boosts their economy by allowing certain corporations to profit from it. Most of the illegal immigrants that come here are already bought and sold by the growing system of fascism. Seriously, if the cartels are profiting from human trafficking, do you think there isn't a white guy at the top of the chain also profiting? Put two and two together folks.

Namaste and Love

[edit on 21-7-2010 by PsychoX42]

Beating a person with a gun isn't a very good idea. Beating a State that allows its populace to carry guns. A very bad idea.

We may walk into their trap but it will be done with open eyes and fingers on triggers. Not an easy beating are they gonna give.

They cut us off from funds? Then maybe we befriend the past enemy and allow the importation of drugs and take a kickback via taxes.

Most likely the feds will be chastised and go away.

Just as in chess, sometimes you have no alternative but to spring the trap. Even knowing the out come, you make your move to see if the other side has the guts to endure to the endgame. A stalemate is usually unacceptable to both sides, so something has got to give.

First off I would like to say I appreciate the time and thought you put into your post. And im sure this is already happeneing:

"They will then label anyone who participates in any militia as a domestic threat, and begin to get intel on anyone who has ever been a member."

However I find one major flaw in the proposed scenerio.

They Do Not want to close the borders, they want thier NAU and they will have it.

~meathead

[edit on 21-7-2010 by Mike Stivic]

very good observation. psychox42

I see this along the border and most everywhere in the US. the police force fire Dept are all being drained and will soon look like they cannot protect us which will be true Arnie already has National guard going to the CA border, Imagine that national guard guarding our border, wish I woulda thought of that.
anyway what you are noticing I have been as-well.

awakentired- I think that you are right but also in a dangerous spot we need our militias and what we dont need is our militias in jail or even persecuted look what they did in Waco I am sure you are aware of, that was tragic it shows what TPTB are willing to do to a group that shows absolutely NO aggression and fired no shots toward the DEA BATF and whoever else was sniping them. What to you think they would be willing to do to a group of armed Americans who just took out their warlords pawns on the border? we can also see what our own Gov will do to our border guards with that Officer who returned fire to an illegal who got away crossed the border and came back and sued a U.S. citizen, a Mexican citizen committing an illegal act in another country got one of our Officers thrown in jail!!!

A Meat Grinder...
Scares me that they have signed laws which allow for Americans to come here and for Canadians to go there to quell civil unrest...
Operative principle is that you don't use people to fire on their own ...you get someone from away to do that.

The Chinese do it that way.
the UN works on that principle.

When the board is free of pieces....
It's a whole new ball game.
F&S

[edit on 21-7-2010 by Danbones]

[edit on 21-7-2010 by Danbones]

Your scenario is a frightening thought yes, but either the current actions are taken (and maybe your thoughts become the reality) or they are not and the country is bled dry slowly as it has been already. Rounding up American citizens in full view of the public for whatever reason will shake loose many of those clinging to the hopes that the world is not as we sounding the alarms perceive it to be.

The chess analogy is fitting however, but if I may expand on it...

We are but the pieces, the mere pawns moving to and fro about the board. We cannot know the outcome, we cannot always perceive the greater plan. We can do naught but to play our parts, through action or inaction.

The country, nay the world will be wrested from the hands of the puppeteers one day; it may not be tomorrow, it may not be this millennium, but we will never see the day if we have not the courage to try.

Die on your feet or live on your knees sort of thing.

[edit on 7/21/2010 by eNumbra]

flag for you sir! whatever happens it would certainly be a great way to get all the militias in one rough location. am i right in saying that in America you would be limited to certain firearms that are legal obviously still some heavy duty hardware but what can the cartels come up with i.e explosives, rpg's and whatever else they can probably acquire. they have the funds to get their hands on anything and most likely the connections.

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I have a slightly different take on the situation. What the Obama admin. is witnessing is grass roots civics in action, and they are terrified. To my amazement, they have remained silent on the issue, as if to wish it would go away, or as to not draw attention to it. I believe they fear other citizens and groups getting a feeling of empowerment from the Arizona Mlilita's direct action, and joining the fight. I believe they fear picking a fight they can't win, in terms of public support.
By taking action against the militia, they risk bringing other militias into the fight, and fear the militias may gain a groundswell of support. They risk more citizens feeling sympathetic to men who are protecting the public where the government refused. To Obama, this means their ranks may swell. Kind of like the story of Robin Hood. Again, I think this situation terrifies Obama and the last thing he will do is engage the men involved.

The really interesting part of this is, that this may be Obama's achilles heel. Not that he isn't bleeding already, but as cowardly as are his tendencies, can you imagine the mess, the conumdrum he would face should the ranks of militias, which for years the msm has branded as right wing paranoids, swell to record levels, as the citizens realize they are effective and disciplined? He would then be surrounded by the tea party and the militias. The marxists would go into a state of MDS, or Militia Dellusional Syndrome. I may well help sponsor a militia, kind of like a little league team. You know, buy them some unies and pizza. That may come in handy should we suffer a financial collapse. Besides, what's wrong with protecting the citizens and the constitution. The job seems to be open.

[edit on 21-7-2010 by astrogolf]

So far, everyone here has posted intelligent and well thought out responses. I must have gotten lucky by getting the 10% who actually think critically to come to this thread. This isn't always the case.

Namaste and Love

Originally posted by awakentired
Beating a person with a gun isn't a very good idea. Beating a State that allows its populace to carry guns. A very bad idea.

We may walk into their trap but it will be done with open eyes and fingers on triggers. Not an easy beating are they gonna give.

They cut us off from funds? Then maybe we befriend the past enemy and allow the importation of drugs and take a kickback via taxes.

Most likely the feds will be chastised and go away.

Well I cannot argue with your response. At least you have seen the game for what it is, therefore, whatever your choice may be, you know the potential of the outcome.

Namaste and Love

Originally posted by xizd1
Just as in chess, sometimes you have no alternative but to spring the trap. Even knowing the out come, you make your move to see if the other side has the guts to endure to the endgame. A stalemate is usually unacceptable to both sides, so something has got to give.

This is another intelligent response. My main point is to understand what could possibly be occurring. As long as others have thought this through, then, I cannot provide a counter argument.

Don't be so reactive. Think with intellect, planning, and with an idea of how and why the game is played

You know, while I support the whole idea of militia's I think asking a large majority of those in militia's have already failed a few of these steps.

reply to post by SpectreDC

Agreed. I think that strategy is key if one expects to hold up to the leviathan which is the military. They need to put all aspects of this scenario on the boards if they expect to be able to survive the scenario that I proposed.

reply to post by Mike Stivic

I appreciate your comment Mike. I just hope that others take this message for what it is worth. This has the potential for creating a true war on our own soil. How many Americans are really ready to go that route?

Originally posted by PsychoX42
reply to post by SpectreDC

 

Agreed. I think that strategy is key if one expects to hold up to the leviathan which is the military. They need to put all aspects of this scenario on the boards if they expect to be able to survive the scenario that I proposed.

When it comes to small, poorly trained and poorly equipped forces fighting against larger forces it is best to engage in small units. If you want efficiency with strategy, you would have a militia which has units comprised of a few men each. 4 or 5 max.

Speaking purely theoretically the possibility of citizen militia's fighting back against the government isn't impossible. The USA is big and has a lot of people whereas the armed forces are fewer in number. If a draft happened it would only hurt the government.

The fight here has more to do with the hearts and minds of the people rather than the government. The government simply lacks the logistics to deal with a million strong resistance group that theoretically doesn't need much logistics behind it. If it's spread out enough around the country the military's strengths become useless.

But the thing is, you need people who aren't reactive but calculating and sadly a majority of militia members simply lack the brains behind their actions to be successful in this manner. If a resistance group wants to spring up, they need to once and for all wake up over a third of American's and have them support them. You need the populace behind the movement and if you have hot headed rednecks with itchy trigger fingers and a desire to start shooting people you're simply going to fail.

reply to post by PsychoX42

"I appreciate your comment Mike. I just hope that others take this message for what it is worth. This has the potential for creating a true war on our own soil. How many Americans are really ready to go that route?"


The problem is, the government seems to be already at war with us. Perhaps its now a question of our submission, or non-submission. Does it really hurt to have a back up plan? I'm sure most of the people of Arizona are greatful today.

[edit on 21-7-2010 by astrogolf]

I think that the end result the PTB want is Nafta or in other words the North American Union, that is why alll of those other countries are now protesting the new Law. The federal government has been preparing a response for several years I think what it was called was EndGame, the Endgame Document is available online.

Now we are undergoing a transformation of government and the words "continuity of Government" come into play.

The phrase represents always having government in place, even during the events of wars, natural disasters and even transformation of Government, from one that was America, a capitalist nation into one that is a communist style government.

Those who resist the new socialist union will go into internment camps. Those who do not oppose are primarily illegal citizens who the Federal Government willl use as pawns to install the new socialist government.

I want you all to remember the conversation of Arron Russo speaking about David Rockefeller the socialist, in which he told Aaron there was going to an event, that even was nine eleven and in the following years they were going to influence law making policies using this event to move into a Cashless society. Every citizen would then get chipped or in the intermediary stage have a drvers license (real ID, National ID) with a unique number, RFID and tracking device.

Nine years later Healthcare Reform passed and also now passing new financial regulations. The chips are waiting in the wings of financial reform, healthcare reform and immmigration reform under the new laws and regulations which are tied together in the three, making way for a cashless slave society. Welcome to the USSA.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
I think that the end result the PTB want is Nafta or in other words the North American Union, that is why alll of those other countries are now protesting the new Law. The federal government has been preparing a response for several years I think what it was called was EndGame, the Endgame Document is available online.

Now we are undergoing a transformation of government and the words "continuity of Government" come into play.

The phrase represents always having government in place, even during the events of wars, natural disasters and even transformation of Government, from one that was America, a capitalist nation into one that is a communist style government.

Those who resist the new socialist union will go into internment camps. Those who do not oppose are primarily illegal citizens who the Federal Government willl use as pawns to install the new socialist government.

I want you all to remember the conversation of Arron Russo speaking about David Rockefeller the socialist, in which he told Aaron there was going to an event, that even was nine eleven and in the following years they were going to influence law making policies using this event to move into a Cashless society. Every citizen would then get chipped or in the intermediary stage have a drvers license (real ID, National ID) with a unique number, RFID and tracking device.

Nine years later Healthcare Reform passed and also now passing new financial regulations. The chips are waiting in the wings of financial reform, healthcare reform and immmigration reform under the new laws and regulations which are tied together in the three, making way for a cashless slave society. Welcome to the USSA.

PROTIP: You can have a massive state and still be capitalist. It's called corporatism.

ANOTHER PROTIP: We're living in a corporatist government right now.


American politics in the past 30 years can be summed up with republicans propagating corporatism in the guise of fascism and democrats propagating corporatism in the guise of socialism. All three systems are different in theory BUT THE SAME EXACT THING IN APPLICATION.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


All good points. Perhaps it's more reason for us to become once again a nation of rougues as in 1776, that refuse to submit to the rule of any subversive plot or scheme, foreign or domestic. I would also assume, that as in 1776, the "revolutionaries" would find it necessary to meet in back rooms behind closed doors as King Richard used spies, threats and other treachery to reign in the unruly, or in this case, those who wish to fulfill they're legacy and live by the constitution.

Here's what's so interesting. Could you have imagined a time when those who cherished freedom and the constitution found it necessary to meet in back rooms, as to avoid government persecution? It says a lot about why militias are making a comeback.

[edit on 21-7-2010 by astrogolf]