ATS and Mental Illness

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Hey buddy! Good to see you on here. My mental illnesses that have been so kindly diagnosed for free over the internet apparently prevent me from seeing that psychiatry is the expert in the field of conspiracies and only allow me to spout falsehoods about the evils of psychiatry.

Did Rome invent psychotropic drugging or mental health treatment with torture? I'm willing to bet you can connect the dots somehow. Never has there been a better profession at spreading disinformation and brainwashing the masses than psychiatry. That's my humble opinion.

eek this thread has way too many stars considering it's basically calling everyone here a nut case.

reply to post by dbloch7986


Actually psychoanalysis was almost entirely invented by Freud who did most of his hypothesis while on coc aine.

Jung his contemporary considered his work to be a fraud for that very reason. When one considers Freud’s self loathing of his Jewish heritage, and his incestuous desires for his sister and his daughter, it is no wonder Jung who had started out as a junior co-researcher with Freud rejected his delusions regarding his belief that people did not really want to have free will.

While the two most popular modalities in psychoanalysis remain the Freudian and Jungian technique it has become almost exclusively a Zionist driven industry, that caters to the these absurd theories, and works hand in hand with big pharmaceuticals to basically profit off of people who are typically just suffering from limited social skills and a lack of self discipline and focus.

At the heart of the whole profession, like religion, is the belief that people are not suitably prepared to handle freewill (all people) and that they need mentors and minders, to help them make the ‘correct’ decisions, and interpret events the ‘proper’ way.

The profession is a fraud, and frankly so is this thread.

It’s absurd to think a person’s illness of any kind could be diagnosed over the internet, with the patient clinging to anonymity and the ‘doctor’ making the decision to ban or not to ban, clinging to anonymity and not having any first hand interaction.

So the whole premise is ridiculous and aimed at some mock exercise in pseudo intellectualism designed to appease the creator’s ego and sense of self importance.

Chances are they are just not well rounded and mature enough to deal well with the varied types of personalities that congregate to ATS, and this has prompted them to come dangerously close to developing original thoughts of their own, which for such people can of course be very frightening!

Follow the herd, get along little doggie!

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Awesome information there thanks! I can't help bit see the similarities between the torture techniques of the older Catholic church, and psychiatry. They both torture you into swearing by their beliefs. The difference is not only does psychiatry practice outward physical torture but also causes mental and spiritual anguish with their drugs. Perhaps psychiatry is in cahoots with the Vatican to make the human population more pliable. Pure speculation of course.

Thanks again. I was beginning to think i was really crazy!

reply to post by dbloch7986


Well that is why it is a mainly driven Zionist industry.

What do the Zionists love to tell us here in America, that we don't understand how dangerous the world is and Muslims are and that they know better.

So it all plays into that, don't do what you think is right, do what we tell you is right mindset, that Zionist Israel, and the U.S. Government has, which is all about promoting a endless march towards an armegeddon like conflict, to lead to a one world government.

Yet it of course has other uses, labelling dissenters, and rebels, and other free thinkers as crazy, of course goes a long way to discrediting the people who could turn this mess of a planet around.

Getting people hooked on mood enhancing drugs, that cause them unpleasant withdrawals is yet another way to enslave and control people while profiting off of them.

Some of the earliest serious mental health work done by the U.S. was in World War II, where shell shocked soldiers traumatized by the front lines and the carnage of war, who shut down in a state of shock and couldn't fight as a result, were then heavily drugged, and had mock battle scenarios acted out while in a drug induced trance by their doctors who would repeatedly say, don't be a coward, no one likes a coward, be a man, be brave, etc., etc.

Some of the doctors found it so disturbing they refused to participate.

Yes you could say the whole mental health system serves the state and Rome quite well.

Haha what I find funny is that all the people who starred this thread will believe it does not apply to them.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Its interesting to consider the illegal status of a great many drugs that would be less dangerous than psychotropic ones if they were legalized and produced in a controlled setting, similar to alcohol vs moonshine. These mind-altering street drugs, unlike prescription mind-altering drugs produce effects that cannot be controlled.

This makes perfect sense when you consider a drug thats effects that cannot be contolled is useless to the powers that be. They would want those drugs to be illegal.

That way if anyone taking them rebels, dissents or what have you, the powers that be would have reason to snatch them up real quick and dispose of them in prison.

That way if you want a legal high just tell your doctor you feel crazy and get a prescription. Then the mental health practitioner can not only control your high, but tell you how to act as well.

"When in Rome do as the Romans do." Has become, "When in Rome the Romans will make you do as they want."

Interesting about the Zionist involvement in the industry since psychiatry had a heavy hand in the holocaust. Maybe they saw the value in it afterwards? As often happens.

Originally posted by triplescorpio
reply to post by Teknikal

 

you do understand that people who are sick and read the words youve just typed may end up dead or killing someone trust your meds ?

dude if you dont trust your meds you def need them.

TAKE YOUR MEDS PEOPLE they are not a conspiracy to mind control you or keep you down the reason you were prescribed them is to HELP your situation whatever it may be.....

so irresponsible to say and suggest denying meds and using what ginger roots to cure schizfrenia.

Be Well

To be honest I think anyone who takes antidepressants is weak and should just man up and face the world. Seriously the human race has done fine for thousands of years without them or made up diseases for every mood.

I'm not saying there aren't real mental health cases were medicine is appropriate at all but I do think there people making some serious cash with their newest miracle pills and who to be honest don't really care less about public health.

My advice for people on them is get a second opinion or even a third but if they all agree then take them.

reply to post by Teknikal


Wow, Teknikal. Tell us how you really feel...

Thanks for being honest, but it isn't as simple as just trying to "man up and face the world" That won't help. In fact, you will more than likely end up with even more problems. I'd advise taking a moment to really research mental illness because they do exist and it isn't something that can just be willed away. There is nothing wrong with seeking help and it takes a stronger person to actually admit that you may need to see a "shrink". That type of thinking keeps many people from going to doctors. No one wants to admit that they are mentally ill or weak, as you say and that type of talk pushes those that need away from those that can provide relief.

reply to post by Abrihetx


The problem is today 'shrinks' don't help patients one on one, they just write a prescription, as a matter of fact insurance no longer pays for one on one, if you want to talk things out you have to go to a psychotherapist, they cannot write prescriptions.

reply to post by Aquarius1


I agree, that is a problem. What is also a problem is the stigma that is attached to mental illnesses. The stigma that says that someone that is medicated is a drone, or is weak. All sufferers are not crazy and not all psychiatrists are pill pushers and implying this does more harm than good.

Kevinunknown-

I'm willing to bet you're an advocate of New York's Kendra Law (AOT).

Are you?

(For those who do not know, this is what Psychatrists do in NY. If you do not want to take your medications, they take to court and have a Judge order you that you must. And instead of taking anti-psychotics by pill, you're given monthly injections or fried with electroshock.)

So you're a mental health worker, are you?

I bet you'd like to ban the mentally ill from everything.

Obviously, you're too used to the facist powers your profession grants you behind the closed doors of the mental health community.

(For those not aware of the conditions in the MH system, it is an EXTREMELY abusive system- there is an entire gestapo of psychiatrists, psychologists, administrators, social workers, case managers, nurses, therapists, councilors, mental health workers, techs, group homes, etc., that earn their entire standard of living off of the sick. The mentally ill have no civil rights whatsoever within this closed system, and the mentality of the workers in this system are generally like thug cops who taser pregnant women. Their exploits are not known to the general public, because they use something called "medical confidentiality" to ban the press, investigators, friends, family, etc., from the abuses of their crimes.)

Make no mistake about it friends- the Mental Health System is SICK.

I am not claming that mental illness does not exist, nor would I advocate someone going off of their meds.

What Kevinunknown's angle seems to be here, is protecting the truth from ever coming out about the unknown world he lives in (and rules with impunity) by banning the freedom of speech from those it exploits.

Would anyone here like some bacon to go with their Haldol?







[edit on 21-7-2010 by Hyperwave]

There are a lot of misconceptions being asserted as facts in this thread.

Do psych drugs have adverse reactions and side effects? Sure. So do antibiotics, and other life-saving medications. Are those adverse reactions sometimes worse than the affliction being treated? Absolutely. Does that mean this will be the case for everyone, or that they do more harm than good in every case, though? Absolutely not. I am living proof of that.

Are there psychiatrists who spend little (if any!) time with the patients they prescribe for and send them on their not-so-merry way with Rx in hand and little else? Absolutely. Are they all that way? Absolutely not.

Are there psychiatrists and psychologists who seek merely to enforce societal standards and tell their patients that the only way to achieve happiness and mental health is to be a cookie cutter copy of what society expects of them? Yes. Are they all that archaic and close-minded? Absolutely not.

Are there mental health "professionals" whose sole agenda is to make a comfortable living and push whatever wonder drug has come down the pike in recent years? I'm sure there are. Is that a generalization that can be applied to the whole of the mental health profession? Absolutely not.

I have an extremely attentive psychologist and psychiatrist who meet with me regularly, spend long durations conducting in depth traditional psychotherapy, as well as cognitive behavioral therapy for my social anxiety disorder, and collaborate together to tailor my treatment and continuing therapy by the criteria and standards of what will make me happiest, healthiest, and most fulfilled in the long run. I expressed the same concerns as those mentioned above early in my experience with them, and they explained to me that what constitutes happiness and fulfillment is something only I can determine, but that if I'm psychologically and/or neurologically unable to achieve those things because of excessive, disruptive anxiety and clinical depression, their job is to help me alleviate those disorders in order to facilitate my eventual achievement of those goals.

The goals are mine. The facilitation is their job, and they have been doing a good job of it, too. I'm much happier, healthier, and more at peace than I was years ago. I'm still not where I'd like to be, but I'm a hell of a lot closer than I was when I was in denial about having a problem and refusing to seek help.

Now, not everyone benefits from therapy and medication. And yes, some people actually end up worse off. But to reject the possibility outright and close one's mind to at least considering it can be just as dangerous and self-destructive.

As for "manning up and facing the world," the reason these are disorders is that their sufferers, in many cases, are literally incapable of precisely that: facing the real world. That's why they need help. And believe me, it takes just as much if not more courage, determination, and persistence to confront a psychological disorder than it does to ignore it and "tough it out." There is safety and comfort in denial. There is a lot of fear and trepidation to be overcome in confronting a problem. At least that has been my experience.

[edit on 7/21/2010 by AceWombat04]

reply to post by Aquarius1


That is a complete lie. First off only psychiatrists can prescribe meds. However, there are still clinical psychologists who still apply classic psychotherapy, especially CBT. Both of these are still covered by insurance. If clinical psychologists weren't covered by insurance they would have a much higher average salary than $64,000.

reply to post by Teknikal


As I've stated time and again in this thread, go to an inpatient mental health facility and talk to the depressives there. Try to call them weak afterwards. Also, were great minds like Van Gogh and Alan Turing weak when they succumbed to depression and killed themselves? You clearly don't actually understand depression, and that's understandable. Most people only do when they've been around it. However, to diminish the strength of those people who suffer from it is the definition of ignorance.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by Teknikal

 

As I've stated time and again in this thread, go to an inpatient mental health facility and talk to the depressives there. Try to call them weak afterwards. Also, were great minds like Van Gogh and Alan Turing weak when they succumbed to depression and killed themselves? You clearly don't actually understand depression, and that's understandable. Most people only do when they've been around it. However, to diminish the strength of those people who suffer from it is the definition of ignorance.

Yeah and people like you will not be happy until every child on earth has a drug habit but it's OK because they are legal right?.
What I'm talking about is the common cases were these are being pushed to everyone who sees a doctor not cases in mental health clinics or hospitals although I suspect they will be way to fast to drug people up as well.

Speaking of killing themselves you do know anti depressants have been shown to increase those odds don't you, Suicide is a common side effect of these pills.

My opinion is Prozac and other's are just legal coc aine and more about profit than any benefits I also think a huge number of these disorders like ADD are solely to push pills on kids.

[edit on 21-7-2010 by Teknikal]

I think we need to not paint with such a broad brush, in either direction.

There are ostensible "doctors" who do have their own agendas and who hand out prescriptions like candy. There are adverse effects that result directly from the use of psych meds. There are even paradoxical effects which result in precisely the opposite effects to those intended. And there can be withdrawals, of a sort, from certain psych meds. I can't even, fully at least, fault the analogy of coc aine when comparing it to Prozac, since they both inhibit the reuptake of monoamines, including serotonin. And I do strongly suspect that there is a lot of over-diagnosing and over-treatment, particularly of children and adolescents.

But there are also caring, well-intentioned mental health professionals who understand the neurological and psychological impact of the medications they prescribe, and who genuinely have only the happiness and wellbeing of their patients at heart. Some are even incredibly selfless, working in substandard conditions, often volunteering their time for free, or otherwise going out their way to help people. There are also clinically proven benefits, when prescribed and tailored appropriately, to the use of psych meds, for those who genuinely benefit from them. And the mechanism by which they act, while arguably analogous to other substances known to be harmful, is not identical, nor are the effects equally destructive by that association alone.

Before I received therapy and medication, I was not a very functional person, and no amount of willpower, determination, or positive thinking was able to change that (believe me - I tried.) Clinical depression is not just "being sad," and social anxiety disorder is not just "being shy." Depression in particular is extremely insidious, because it can take root without you even realizing it. Again, it's the quandary of trying to separate subjective thoughts and feelings from reality, when typically we rely on exactly that - our thoughts and feelings - to perceive reality. When I was depressed, everything was colored by it. Everything seemed worse than it was. I had no means of separating depression from objective thought, because every thought existed within a depressed mind and brain. I had no motivation, no energy, and no desire to do anything. There were physical symptoms as well. I felt exhausted all the time. During brief periods when I was able to realize something was wrong, I attempted to make use of organic diets, exercise, etc. to feel better. But their benefits were muted by neurological factors beyond my ability to address significantly enough to change my condition. And I had extensive ruminations of a depressive nature, as well. I was never suicidal, but I was devastatingly sad most of the time. The sources of sadness were real in my case (often they are not,) but the proportion was distorted.

Depression isn't simply sadness or a negative outlook. The term "clinical depression" is sometimes not well understood, it seems. What it actually means is a "depression" (a low, or dip) in particular neurotransmitter levels. The most commonly known (in the mainstream it seems) mediator of depression seems to be serotonin, but that isn't always the particular culprit. In my case it appears to be dopamine and norepinephrine, but regardless, it is a physical, neurological condition. Yes, it can be influenced by psychological and even separate physical factors, but that does not always guarantee the ability to "pull yourself out" of depression through things like thinking positive, exercising, eating right, changes of location or behavior, etc. And it can be difficult to accept that the problem exists, because admitting it can feel as though you're somehow invalidating your right to feel what you feel. "Feeling down is not a disease" was my refrain. While I still certainly believe that, it can be a symptom of a disorder.

The social anxiety disorder is a much more psychologically mediated issue than a neurological one in my case (this is not always true by any means,) but neurotransmitters still play a role because trauma can lead to neurotransmitter imbalances, especially if it occurs in early childhood or is chronic. For that reason, the same medication that I take for my depression alleviates my anxiety somewhat, but not entirely. I'm currently in cognitive behavioral therapy for that issue.

Everyone's experience with medication and therapy will be different. Some people won't be helped by it at all. Some will go through many doctors and/or medications that produce extremely unpleasant or even dangerous reactions before they find one (or a combination) that works for them. I had a lot of side effects from the first few I tried, and couldn't remain compliant. My doctors didn't tell me I was being uncooperative or seek to force me to take them. They changed medications until we found one, and a dosage, that worked for me.

What I can tell you did not happen, is this: I did not lose my ability to feel emotions, or to be creative (I'm an amateur musician and an aspiring writer.) I did not become numb. I just became capable of discerning between what was actually bothering me psychologically, and everything being equally overwhelming and crushingly depressing. In short, I became able to see the trees rather than not being able to see the forest for the trees, and was no longer so overwhelmed that I couldn't function at all.

This will not be everyone's experience, but I believe in keeping an open mind, and I think others should do the same. Ultimately only the individual knows what will work for them or when something isn't working, but to close one's mind to the possibility that maybe they need some help seems risky at best to me. But then, there are risks either way, admittedly. I feel that the key is to keep an open mind in both directions.

reply to post by kevinunknown


I keep having other members telling me that I
need help!I also get called names like...moron,
retard,nutjob,nutcase,you get the picture.

It's a good thing that I don't let these things bother
me.I get a good laugh though,just like reading the
comics in the sunday paper.

reply to post by mamabeth


Now, momabeth, that's just crazy talk.



I've worked in the mental health industry (prison-criminally insane) and meds make a world of difference.

There is definitely a chemical inbalance with some people and if you can get the chemical balance corrected, those people are quite functional, reasonable and decent human beings.

Without meds, they're literally bouncing off the walls and tearing at themselves (or others).

The problem that I see with the mental health industry is that there is NO definition or criteria for "sane" in the DSM. Technically, any of us could fit at least one definition of crazy because there's nothing to define what constitutes "not crazy".

Originally posted by Teknikal
What I'm talking about is the common cases were these are being pushed to everyone who sees a doctor not cases in mental health clinics or hospitals although I suspect they will be way to fast to drug people up as well.

Most doctors probably prefer not having patients on anti-depressants if they can help it. It's a liability having somebody on medication if they don't truly need it. The average GP does not seek to gain financially from having patients on anti-Depressants, unless of course they have shares or other ties to the Pharmaceutical Industry.

Speaking of killing themselves you do know anti depressants have been shown to increase those odds don't you, Suicide is a common side effect of these pills.

Suicide is NOT a common side effect of these pills. It is actually rare, and the higher rates are only in specific anti-Depresents which are gradually being phased out. The Pharmaceutical Industry would benefit far more from people constantly taking medication than it would from people killing themselves.