CLOSE-UP VIDEO: Pilot filming plane spraying into the air

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
There is no such thing as a "chemtrail".

It's funny you say it like you know it to be a fact. I don't think anyone of us can truly say "Yes there are chemtrails" OR "No there are not such thing as chemtrails."

How many posters make outrageous claims all the time which people are willing to listen too, and they sound even crazier then the possibility of chemtrails, and yet people are willing to buy into it - at least somewhat...?

Now, I understand chemtrails have been studied A TON here on ATS, there is proof on both sides, although some may say it leans more towards that there is no such thing (I'm not going to take sides here I'm just making a point), how come 'chemtrails' are any more ridiculous then population reduction by tptb?

Many people believe that the population is indeed being reduced or soon will be (or actually is as we speak, just slowly), so how come their isn't the possibility that there are chemicals being sprayed into the air which may make us sick & poison our crops/drinking water?

Maybe there is chemicals being sprayed via some other source, or maybe the planes that you all believe to be doing whatever else you say they're doing that is NOT any sort of chemical spraying, is indeed some sort of mixture of chemicals which we have no way of testing since it's in the atmosphere and last time I checked the government has control over the media and most of the leading experts out there (who unfortunately are bought out, although some are willing to stand their ground and end up being hung in their garage rafters by some wire with a suicide note).

So is there enough evidence supporting chemtrails? No, I cannot show you 100% proof. However, on the other hand I can not honestly tell anyone there is no such thing as chemtrails and know I am being fully honest with myself and the person(s) I'm speaking too.

For me the subject of chemtrails is still 'up in the air' (pun intended).

You all can give the OP crap for posting without knowing knowledge of the aircraft in the video, but they were just showing a video of what they thought to be something important; I would have done the same.

Anyway, either way we are being told lies and because of this I am not willing to trust anything I hear without cold hard facts to back up any claims.

Originally posted by dplum517
This thread is sickening. I have counted at least 3 payed people to fill the thread with their BS disinformation. CHEMTRAILS DO EXIST. Chemtrailers have some of the biggest entities behind them with their money. I guarantee they have hired many people to battle the truth that comes from the internet. IMO they are realizing they are losing the battle.

People like you make me laugh. You've counted 3 paid disinfo agents? Lol. I'd love to know what you're smoking. The sad thing is some people agree with you.

Why is it that whenever someone disagrees with or debunks an extraordinary claim they're labelled disinfo agents? Do you realise how silly and paranoid you sound? Get your head out of fantasy land.

I've come to the conclusion that most ATS posters are complete nutters. Travelling on a flight to Hawaii and seeing another commercial jet liner spraying chemicals? Come on people. Grow up! Do you not think airline staff would notice... well come to think o it, we all watch planes land, fuel up and leave.
There are plenty of places to check into that will love debating the weird and wonderful conspiracies the rest of your natural lives. They're called shrinks... who probably started out on this site .

This is no picture of a "chemtrail". This is either a regular old DC10 or KC10. Its most likely a DC10 as it appears to be painted white and KC10s are gray. The DC10 and the KC10 are essentially the same airplane. Every single one built has the wing fences you see here. You are looking at condensation from the back of jet engines. It is completely normal. It always has been and it always will be with jet engines. Airplanes are now separated by only 1000 feet vertically. I could shoot this video every single day I fly.....

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by soleprobe

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
There hasn't been a word invented for how WRONG that statement is!

Cheers
Maybe...maybe not

There has been a word invented for those who claim a statement is wrong without stating why:

Dummy

Aaahhhh....... SoleProbe.....

"Dummy" here.....

You might find it of interest if you read the pages & pages of info I've posted about this subject.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Coh, what else can we expect of a disinfo agent, but pages and pages of info !!

Don't you see - they're on to your shenanigans. The only way out is to admit that these chemtrails are indeed poison X made by the reptilians in order to convert the earth's atmosphere into an acrid, toxic mix so that they can once more inhabit the earth, and eat us for snacks.

Anything else, is a coverup and only a dummy would suggest it!!!11

Either that or... no, that would be too far fetched... no way could they be wrong... what was I thinking.

once again, e see contrails being described as chemtrails.

once again, people refuse to accept classical and atmospheric physics.

for those who forecast for aviation, contrail forecasting is a part of the job. contrails are cool they are interesting, but they are not full of chemicals designed to kill you or otherwise.

Why are the nozzles bigger near the fuselage than out on the wings?

Why would they step down the spraying the further it gets out from center?

I believe this to be a KC-10 refueler. Why else would another plane be sitting at it's six o'clock high like that at that altitude? Isn't it more likely this tanking is setting up to refuel thus it's AOA is probably high. The higher the AOA the more drag. IE...more surface to create condensation.

PS...these two guys sound like they are joking around to me. Because if they weren't joking around why didn't they radio the plane and ask if they needed help because they appear to be dumping or venting alot of liquid from their plane.

Density of air. The more moisture that is in a system, the larger possibility that contrails will be created! WOW, that is the BASIC thing that keeps being said.

Please, can the people like phage and the weatherman please give me the chemical makeup of the differing jet fuels? NO?

How about a difussion analysis of those fuels in those type aircraft. YOU KNOW, the ability to tell us the type of fuel used. Have you ever heard of them? It has been a few years, I am sure they still use the same type of system, if not a better type. You know, where you load the fuel, you look at it through a spectrum type glass that will give you a certain color. Then you can determine the EXACT jet fuel.

It is AMAZING how this type system has been abandoned. One of the BIGGEST problems in aircraft is the introduction of incorrect fluids. I am sure you have the knowledge of the differing types of jet fuels. Since everyone HERE thinks they know EXACTLY what is going on.

Frelling joke. When I worked a few years back, we had 6 types of aircraft and 3 types of fuel, many differing types of hydraulic fluid and about 3 types of oil. Now, condensation is correct in certain types of flight, but what you are seeing in this vid has about 50/50 to do with condensation and the other is exhaust.

edit-sorry hit the enter key

Sorry, but the weather guys and the mathemeticians/physicists are generally right, but their is one thing they are forgetting, the chemical makeup of the fuels.

Hell, you DO NOT need to add any additional spray nozzles to a jet. If they are going to lie and say that the chemical makeup will be changed, they are LYING. In most jets, the fuel quantity is NOT burned, the fuel is also used to cool the system. Especially in HI BYPASS systems.

But continue the lie folks, it continues the idiocy of your comments.



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Dude, the airplane is white. It is a DC10. There are no white KC10 tankers. They are all gray. In fact There is only 1 american company left flying white DC10's. Simple research will even tell you what company this is a video of if it is indeed a recent one.

These days airplanes are only separated by 1000 feet vertically. It s a VERY regular occurence to see exactly this......

reply to post by B767300CA


Well i guess FedEx still have some 70+ Dc10's left, as well as Omni Air and World Air, then add some airframes from 3rd world countries still flying passengers.

reply to post by wonderworld


Nice post wonderworld.

Definite star for you. (if that means anything)

I wonder how many of the familiar 'faces' will challenge you on what you've posted?

They tend to latch on to an incorrect term or name, or some other tidbit of info they can repeat among themselves and completely ignore the original points, so we'll see i suppose.

Very informative, thanks.

reply to post by daggyz


Too focused on getting the boot in and insulting folk to notice what's already been written, aren't you.

I know it's a long thread, but i'd suggest reading the first 6 or 7 pages to get an idea of what is being said.

Go back and actually read the thread before commenting mate.

Your less likely to end up with egg on your face. (if that matters to you or not)

Nobody said this was a pair of commercial airliners did they?

Can you not think of a different category of aircraft that people fly in at all?

Originally posted by theversifier
I think as usual the 'know it all' ATS crew are forgetting that this forum is over run with dis info agents, Jesus, the founder of this site is a disinfo agent. So when you can see a plane spraying something and someone tells you you can't, who's the dick??

I know right, like that lady who discovered the chemicals in the water, when she could see a rainbow in her sprinklers.. I mean, everyone saw it, but typical disinfo agents called baloney on that. Just how can a rainbow get in the water coming out of her sprinklers!

When will people wake up!!!!11

Originally posted by micpsi
Yes, but if this operation were so secret, why would the pilot carry out this spraying knowing that another plane was close by watching him? Unless he did not know that stuff was coming out......

What makes you think the pilot or crew press the buttons? Could be controlled from ground.

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
Nothing in chemtrails...yeah riiiight...photos

That's how I always have seen them coming from planes. From nothing but the engines.

So now I guess we're expected to believe that "contrails" can come from any other part of the plane as well?

Originally posted by Come Clean
The sheer amount of vapor can not be coming from inside the plane. It almost looks like a steady stream of liquid. I'm calling this one almost debunked.

Well, then you're also debunking contrails being caused by engines, aren't you?

Originally posted by badgrammaman
why do they do this, i dont understand, do they not realise there just poisonig themselves aswell as the rest of us

Most likely the same reason soldiers use rounds tipped with depleted uranium.

Originally posted by Phage
Persistent contrails have been around for a long time. For a long time it has been known what they are.

We have been told for a very long time that contrails are caused by the engines.


First time ever for seeing "contrails" coming from places other than the engines, so S&F for that, OP!

reply to post by B767300CA


WHAT?!!

SO...we have all of these so called aviation 'experts' claiming superior knowledge over (in their own words) 'the ignorant members' or the 'uneducated members' or the 'nutters', yet with their quote "many, many years and years of experience in aviation research etc etc, and others who skip along blissfully blinkered to their favourite propaganda websites, eager to cut and paste the information they find...

And they can't even correctly identify the actual model of the aircraft they are arguing the toss about?!!!

So much for their 'expert opinion' on fences and vortilons, and many, many years of possessing 'superior' knowledge regarding aviation, that us poor ignorant, uneducated nutters, just can't hope of acquiring.

Stunningly ironic.

There's a very important lesson here for those of us that may occasionally succumb to the pseudo intellectual brow beating dished out by those members, and in society in general, (i'm sure many of us will know at least one or two of the kind of people i'm talking about) who set themselves up as paragons of knowledge and speak and act (and post) in an intellectually snobbish manner.

Bottom line is ANY one of us can skip and scurry along to establishment websites to copy information found there to post here. It takes NO intelligence or knowledge to do it, and you could be up and running as an expert, swimming in stars and acclaim in minutes...if originality and genuine ideas mean nothing, and plastic popularity means everything to you, go for it.

If you want to be creative, we could even copy from 2 or 3 sites saying essentially the same thing, and rearrange the copied info to make it appear we know what we're talking about...as many more 'known' members patently do.

The thing is, if the suspicion is that the official dogma is wrong or an out and out lie or cover up, the information copied and repeated here is also going to reflect the intentions and disinfo from the official, and only serve to support the suspected official dogma or lies.

I'm still waiting for 'certain members' to post what could be viewed as and ORIGINAL personal thought or theory.

Two years +. and i've yet to see a single original theory or idea from these folks. That speaks volumes to me, regarding these 'experts'. I would rather read one single post containing an INCORRECT idea or thought that is genuine and original, than a dozen 'copied and pasted' plastic 'expert' posts.

reply to post by Come Clean


You can't see the possibility that there are several aircraft on a spraying mission? That the second aircraft is on a mission with the lead aircraft?

If so, the second (filming) aircraft, knows full well what is coming out of the first.

There may even be a third aircraft off to the right that we cannot see in the video for all we know. There may even be a fourth and fifth, flying a delta formation in order to cover more sky with whatever is coming from their aircraft.

There are lots of possibilities.

reply to post by spikey


Experience and expertise in the aviation field does not mean that the person has to be able to identify all the aircraft in the world. Especially if there are several versions of the same aircraft (Look up C-130). DC-10 and KC-10 are pretty much identical. The picture at 0:36 has a KC-10 on it. KC-10 is also mentioned in the subtitles.

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reply to post by weedwhacker


Weedwhacker…..

BUT, now, as pointed out by Maybe...maybe not this is an Internet phenomenon, and all started by ONE idiot in an interview on Art Bell's "Coast-to-Coast" radio program, in 1999.

That’s true…..

I mentioned M...MN up above. You should take heed from him, because HE started out "beleiving" as well. He lacked the flying or meteorological experience to draw upon, so instead he did his own independent research (NOT just parrotting the "chemtrail" nutjob websites) and discovered the truth of this world-wide HOAX!!!

That’s also true…..

I was worried enough about it to discuss it with my wife, convince myself I was seeing chemtrails from where I live here in the mountains, convince myself I was seeing the oft mentioned “unmarked white spraying planes”, etc…

There is HOPE for everyone who honestly wishes to deny ignorance, as well...

I looked into it deeply precisely because it worried me so much.

Fortunately, as the “chemtrail science” “evaporated”, so did my concerns.

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not

blah blah disinfo blah blah they spraying us with deadly chemicals! blah blah stoopid debunkers! blah...blah blaaaaaahhhh!!!

Yeah yeah we've heard it all before!

Chemtrailers:

How about getting out from behind your keyboards and getting some concrete evidence that chemtrails are real??

Can ANY of you do this?

All these planes spraying YOU and YOUR FAMILY and all you do about it, is whinge about it online.

How about Hardening the F up?

Grow some balls!

Bust this wide open!

The ball is in your court!

Petition your favourite chemtrail reseacher!

Get a group together to collect donations!

Find a financial backer!

Win the lotto!

DO SOMETHING BESIDES PISSING, MOANING AND PROCRASTINATING ABOUT HOW THE EVIL GOVERNMENTS ARE POISONING AND KILLING YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!!!!



MAKE IT HAPPEN