CLOSE-UP VIDEO: Pilot filming plane spraying into the air

reply to post by ThePeaceMaker


I'd give you a gold star if I could. Absolutley spot on with your critical thinking.
Now if we can just convince others..........

It looks to me like the tanker aircraft could be venting off excess fuel or even deliberately emptying its tanks for the purpose of lightning itself. There are all kinds of possiblities here, why jump to the chem spray band wagon?

reply to post by freelance_zenarchist


What really irritates me is people who come on here, try to throw their weight about in the form of scorn and treating others as idiots - then the say 'show me the proof' or 'I defy anyone to explain what a chemtrail is',
and then sit back and wait for people to jump to attention.

If you want to see an explanation of what a chemtrail is...DO A GOOGLE SEARCH.

I for one am not going to accept your invitation to do it for you and drop it in your lap.

The information is out there. Go find it yourself. You never know, it might help you exercise your thinking faculty.





[edit on 18-7-2010 by wcitizen]

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
So tons of silver iodide sprayed all over multiple miles of sky would be needed to produce even the smallest bit of rain. I am not sure if they still do this today, but it is something that any one interested in chemtrails needs to learn about.

In Calgary, Alberta the insurance companies hire a weather modification company (Weather Modification Inc.) to spray silver iodide into the clouds before a hail storm to reduce the size and amount of hail that damages vehicles. They've been doing this for 15 years, but this was the first I've heard of it.

www.cbc.ca...

www.youtube.com...


These links are freaking me out a lil bit -

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...


[edit on 18-7-2010 by freelance_zenarchist]

Originally posted by Come Clean
The sheer amount of vapor can not be coming from inside the plane. It almost looks like a steady stream of liquid. I'm calling this one almost debunked.

You are correct! A single gallon of jet fuel will produce a gallon of water and soot. This will then trigger an additional 10,000 gallons of water from the atmosphere itself. So anything that does come out of a plane's exhaust is dilutted to 0.0001%. Which is then further diluted by the entire atmosphere.

Thanks for a little critical thiking.

reply to post by wcitizen


Hi wcitizen,

I asked google, but all I got was a bunch of conflicting nonsense.

reply to post by star child


It's been discussed already that anything in a contrail will not come down on you. There is drift time, winds, updrafts.......and then dilution factor. Your tomatoes are safe from planes over head leaving contrails.
Snails need calcium for their shelves to be sturdy. You need to get your soil mineral tested. You are probably low in some respects. Or, easier, you can wash and crush egg shells, and work those into your soil. It also helps with soil texture (I live in the US with clay soil, and have to replace much of the soil).

Lastly, a "common" cumulus cloud contains 550 TONS of water. Clouds cannot be man-made.

reply to post by wcitizen


No...>sigh

reply to post by weedwhacker


Here....gifts for the ATS community, and the "chemtrail" believers to ponder. These are time-lapse videos of clouds in action.

I challenge ANY "chemtrail" believer to explain the physical mechanism that causes something "sprayed" out at altitude to fall to the ground directly below.

WATCH these clouds pass overhead, and learn.

KEEP IN MIND the "mantra of chemtrailers"....THEY say the "stuff" seen is a chemical of some sort, because it's so visible...SO, why doesn't "IT" fall to the ground????:





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AND, next, here you see the contrail spreading, and adding to the other normal cirrus clouds already there. People aren't used to seeing things happen this fast, so they ASSUME that the clouds overhead were all "caused" by airplanes. Nothing is further from the truth....



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Watch next as the cloud cover gradually becomes ever more solid, overhead. High altitude clouds (cirriform) like these that increase are indicative of approaching weather systems.

It might be useful to also remind people of something, from the sayings of sailors....has been an adage for CENTURIES, and well before airplanes were invented:

"Red sky at night, sailors' delight; Red sky in morning, sailors take warning." Try Googling it....it's a clue to meteorology, even before the science of meteorology was invented....:





[edit on 18 July 2010 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by star child
reply to post by neformore

 

An explanation as to what is going on in my neck of the woods was all l was asking you for. you seem to be to be vocal on other threads, why have you not answered mine?

I will. It's because planes making contrails have flown near your location and they WERE FLYING IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS..

You do know planes fly in every direction on a compass, right?

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Arrrrrgggghhhh! It is so basic, and everyone wants to see some "vast conspiracy"!!!!

I don't.....I'm just here to have a giggle and to remind myself just how sane I am.

Thanks for the good posts w.w.

I have been talking to a friend in Canada who tells me in certain areas they have had quite drought for a while and over there it is well known they are cloud seeding, it is in the news, and supposedly although they do get some rain from it he also stated that the weather has become quite strange. In what way he did not say.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
#neformore Do you really think that US Military pilots following the tanker could actually record a video (even for a joke) and then get it out of the base and onto the internet (youtube of all places)?? Do you really think that the US military allows that type of stuff? I don't.

Uh, yeah.

I have stills and video taken from the cockpit of my aircraft of us being refueled by KC-10s and KC135s. Happens all the time.

What really pisses me off is I didn't have my camera with me when a KC-10 dumped thousands of pounds of fuel from their boom when they couldn't slow down enough for us to tank.

reply to post by undead trev


"Cloud seeding" is an entirely different kettle of fish. NOT secretive, and NOT done at high altitude.

What's more, when they are actually spraying the chemicals (hoping to induce precipitation) they do it from within the clouds. So, for observers on the ground,you see....well, nothing but clouds. Cumulus and strato-cumulus, not cirrus (Too hig and too cold, where cirrus reside).

People who are not pilots should also try to learn a little about the "freezing level", and why it's important when planning cloud seeding operations....when you want RAIN, you don't want it to freeze, now do you?

reply to post by wcitizen


Right On !

Could not have said it better.

Originally posted by Wiregrab
It looks to me like the tanker aircraft could be venting off excess fuel or even deliberately emptying its tanks for the purpose of lightning itself. There are all kinds of possiblities here, why jump to the chem spray band wagon?

Fuel dumping is an emergency situation, we don't have any info as to that or otherwise from the video. I'm not sure about the automatic venting of fuel itself. Although it may occur in the air, that seems more like a fault in the mechanical bits, and again there is no info on that.

reply to post by brokedown


Huh....odd. You liked what wcitizen said, when THIS was posted?:

If you want to see an explanation of what a chemtrail is...DO A GOOGLE SEARCH.

I know, he/she ran on about people "coming in" to a thread and "throwing their weight around"...but, the point is, people who actually DO KNOW things, with experience and knowledge, need to offer their takes as well....to dispel the myths and the HOAX of "chemtrails"...

But, as to the internet search? By all means, let's do that....Be Right Back....

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No need for ME to bring every link....others can type too.

So, everyone...go to Google, type "chemtrails" and what you will see as a SECOND choice right below is "chemtrails debunked". Click that, and here is only the first (of many) sites to visit and get some education:

www.nmsr.org...



[edit on 18 July 2010 by weedwhacker]

reply to post by ghostpigeon


No, it's because the people are more well versed in the sciences involved than the "chemtrail" proponents here. They know there are no such thing as "chemtrails", so they don't complain.

reply to post by ghostpigeon

By and large, I have not heard of a lot of chemtrails reported over the hamptons or Washington D.C.

Actually, several months ago a very vocal (and irritatingly so) ATS member --- who is now gone --- resides in New Jersey, USA. NOT far from "the Hamptons" at all. This posted vehemently "convinced" that he was being "sprayed". Check some of the 'chemtrail' threads on ATS.

Here, where I am presently ( the Washington D.C. area ) on the days when upper level atmosphere conditions are conducive to formation, I see the same regualr contrails, on the regular Jet Airways (**) that I am familiar with, having flown along them many, many times over the years.


(**)...For those interested, an "airway" is a defined air route, usually between navigational stations cited on the ground...more and more, with advent of GPS, they are becoming defined merely by waypoints, Lat/Long co-ordinates, though. These can be 'googled' to learn more.

Common for a LOT of traffic between the Northeast ( NYC, Boston, locations in Canada too...and International flights arriving,departing from overwater ---North Atlantic) and places in the Southeast (Atlanta, New Orlieans, Charleston, etc) routes overhead the D.C. region.

Check out the site www.skyvector.com...

It's designed for pilots, so may seem intimidating at first, but you might learn a lot there, with some study. Several of us here at ATS can help....

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by undead trev

 

"Cloud seeding" is an entirely different kettle of fish. NOT secretive, and NOT done at high altitude.

What's more, when they are actually spraying the chemicals (hoping to induce precipitation) they do it from within the clouds. So, for observers on the ground,you see....well, nothing but clouds. Cumulus and strato-cumulus, not cirrus (Too hig and too cold, where cirrus reside).

People who are not pilots should also try to learn a little about the "freezing level", and why it's important when planning cloud seeding operations....when you want RAIN, you don't want it to freeze, now do you?

Hi Weed,

Cloud seeding is not the name of the game, it is cloud propagation, or making cloud cover, if it rained in the experiments known to have been done, then that was a bonus. The idea is making the clouds more reflective, or more white. I'm sure you know that, and latching on to anyone who mentions "Cloud seeding" is a little licentious. We need your imput here, but not selectively.