It's really sad how some people here refuse to deal in facts.

reply to post by SaosinEngaged


Thank you for your knowledge!!! Father? God? Leader? ..I totaly disagree, there are animals dying in the gulf.. so why not a fuss about the oil spill. I think you are being unsensitive about people's opinions, what they believe in, what they fight for, and the natures well being!

OK this is blanket.
I think once the pressure raises We are back to ZERO!!!!

I don't believe what everyone on a conspiracy theory website says but when experts start saying there's something amiss or being covered up or say the government is lying to us then that's when I look into it.

What irritates me is when people watch the 5:00 news, see that the well is capped and believe that there are no more leaks or questions to be asked. Why would we believe anything that comes from bp or the msm for that matter. They have been lying the whole time.

I dont want there do be a doomsday scenario and i am glad that they have at least capped the well, but lets be honest, we are not getting the full story. For example the well itself was leaking worse before this, meaning the well was opening up more. Its leaking through the sides of the well and up through the sea floor.

The effort to stop this leak and clean up the gulf have been a joke.

You shouldn't worry about what everyone else is thinking. As long as you can see whats really going on is what matters. I don't put all my eggs in the ATS basket, this place is good for some things. i don't think other rational members here do either, but it shouldn't concern you if they do or not. i'm seeing this as a problem in the world, where people are too concerned with what everyone else is thinking and they want others to be on the same page. As long as you know, and stand in what you believe; you should find peace in that.
~WAhoo

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Many a true word mate

But yet this is a conspiracy website and the gulf of Mexico is a huge disaster and should be talked about.

Whether it was a conspiracy or not is to be judged on reliable info or credible experts.

Now if anyone has any verifiable proof of leaks being covered up or whatnot then post it..or it's just another conspiracy theory.

Just because you heard XXXX from YYYY doesn't mean XXXX is going to happen or that YYYYY is even as credible a source as you seem to believe.

I'm not questioning your post, because I happen to agree with much of it.

however, just because you heard "the facts" on CNN, FOX News, BBC, Al Jazeera, or any other MSM site doesn't make them actually "facts" either.

The source that you seem to believe is the MSM, and that has a poor track record when reporting "the facts" with an unbiased leaning. This poor track record has gone on for years, and there are many instances of poor reporting later turning out to be complete hogwash.

The MSM typically reports whatever the Government position is, regardless of which "facts" there may be that support other positions. Most MSM is typically biased towards one Government party or position or the other, and shamelessly so.

It's no wonder that given the poor reputation of the MSM, that people question the facts that they've been presented with.

If you have a problem with this, you're probably on the wrong site.

One of the most important FACTS - proven, hard solid, incontrovertible FACTS - is that the sea floor is cracked and the oil is spewing from nearly a dozen areas, not merely from the well/"crack pipe". The capping of the well means NOTHING because that is not the source of most of the problem. It has also been proven FACTUALLY that every US state lining the GOM has oil on its shores. Another FACT is that the oil reached the Loop Current about six weeks ago and oil is already moving up the eastern coast of the USA, mostly mixed with the sea water due to heavy use of dispersants. Facts. Proven. Easily documented.

hey um op !!!!!!! i must tell you that if theese people feel they need to post this stuff then let them ,why waste your time with a smeer post ? its better to be safe then sorry ,if they truly get off on the stuff and it makes them happy then why hamper that ? ... i have been down this fear road with the whole blackjack thing ,and i am glad i got scard cause it tought me a lesion .but see this is what makes ATS so great ,people like you who dont believe ,and the world is perfect and then there are people who do believe and the world is scarry ,but in all fairness do you really think your negitive post will indeed put a stop to what you speak of ? it will not ,no matter how much you feel you can change the thoughts of others it will not happen there will allways be some one out there with a better opinion so they think ....anyway i am not trying to be harsh its just ,think about the big picture ..they say it will happen to warn people or to hoax,and you say it wont cause its not true ....and i am tryng to figure out why ? why t ry and stop them ?

anyway i love you i truly do and feel free to yell back at me and i show you how to turn such negitive energy into positive energy

btw my spelling is killer watch out !!!!!!!!!


love

Nephi

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Sorry mate. You lost me on the sixth sentence when you started talking about Jedi Knights.

I find it incredbly fascinating that every time a new major science fiction movie or story comes out, that the central theme is warped into conspiracy theories. You talk about Jedi Knights. What Stargate came out, we immediately started to see theories about stargates between worlds.

When I see a theory that isn't based on a SciFi movie, I'll pay more attention.

reply to post by SaosinEngaged


Shouldn't this be posted in rant? Whats the conspiracy? ooh I know.

...I am sure companies like BP would appreciate you trying to bring some rationale into this issue.

People can read "facts" for themselves- evidence has been pesented, is not just hearsay and there has been enough to cause justifiable worry and panic for some.

reply to post by mothershipzeta


So the definition of “scientific theory” (explanations agreed upon by a group of scientists) is more than “just a theory”. So now any small click of paid-off scientists (like climate scientists) can have “explanations” [that] are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them”. This now becomes “scientific theory”, equivalent to fact (truth), no longer “just a theory”.

In other words if a certain group of scientists believe that their explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter those explanations, it now becomes, not just theory, but “scientific theory”. And if you put the word “scientific” in front of theory it is no longer “just a theory” but a “scientific theory” which is to be taken as fact because this "definition" of “scientific theory” says so.

This is all just a twisting of the meaning of words in order to give a select body of individuals (scientists) a monopoly on truth. So now a theory presented by a select group of “scientists” (little truth gods) must be deemed equivalent to fact (truth). Why, because the definition says so? And the proof that it’s fact is because it is considered “scientific theory” which now means “fact.”

So now, conveniently, the “theory of biological evolution is more than "just a theory" it’s factual because it’s a “scientific theory” presented by the scientists (little truth gods). And because the definition of “scientific theory” is now fact (truth), the word of the scientist now must be accepted by the ignorant masses as truth. The scientists are the truth gods of the New Age.

Well you can keep your “scientific” definition of “theory” and I'll continue to consider all theory, "just a theory."

Is there anyone who can list some "facts" regarding this event, not “scientific theory” but “facts”?

I have had very few threads in this sub forum that i have felt a need to star and flag, but this is one.

Thank you! for your sentiment. I agree 100%.

The constant name-calling (dis info, shill) of anyone who mentions that perhaps we should have some temperance and context is disgusting.

I read ATS because there are some smart, interesting perspectives. But i tire of the juvenile, immature ZOMGers who lash out at anyone who dares mention that maybe, just maybe some actual evidence and proof might back up one's opinion more than ALL CAPPS!

again, thanks!

Originally posted by dovdov
One of the most important FACTS - proven, hard solid, incontrovertible FACTS - is that the sea floor is cracked and the oil is spewing from nearly a dozen areas, not merely from the well/"crack pipe". The capping of the well means NOTHING because that is not the source of most of the problem. It has also been proven FACTUALLY that every US state lining the GOM has oil on its shores. Another FACT is that the oil reached the Loop Current about six weeks ago and oil is already moving up the eastern coast of the USA, mostly mixed with the sea water due to heavy use of dispersants. Facts. Proven. Easily documented.

Excellent post, Dovdov, you're one of the very few posters on this thread who is awake to the enormity of this Gulf catastrophe.

More than a week ago, a large fish-kill washed up in Jacksonville, Florida (which faces the Atlantic, not the Gulf). It's not a normal fish-kill. Birds who ate the fish were seen vomiting the fish. Tests were done on the dead fish and lesions were found on their brains. Lesions on the brain is characteristic of Corexit poisoning. Corexit has already hit the Gulf Stream and is working its way up the east coast. I can post the news source later (I have to open another document to get that).

I found the OP jaw-dropping in its ignorance. Does this person even understand the news?!

Astroved


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Originally posted by Astroved

Originally posted by dovdov
One of the most important FACTS - proven, hard solid, incontrovertible FACTS - is that the sea floor is cracked and the oil is spewing from nearly a dozen areas, not merely from the well/"crack pipe". The capping of the well means NOTHING because that is not the source of most of the problem. It has also been proven FACTUALLY that every US state lining the GOM has oil on its shores. Another FACT is that the oil reached the Loop Current about six weeks ago and oil is already moving up the eastern coast of the USA, mostly mixed with the sea water due to heavy use of dispersants. Facts. Proven. Easily documented.

Excellent post, Dovdov, you're one of the very few posters on this thread who is awake to the enormity of this Gulf catastrophe.

More than a week ago, a large fish-kill washed up in Jacksonville, Florida (which faces the Atlantic, not the Gulf). It's not a normal fish-kill. Birds who ate the fish were seen vomiting the fish. Tests were done on the dead fish and lesions were found on their brains. Lesions on the brain is characteristic of Corexit poisoning. Corexit has already hit the Gulf Stream and is working its way up the east coast. I can post the news source later (I have to open another document to get that).

I found the OP jaw-dropping in its ignorance. Does this person even understand the news?!

Astroved


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[edit on 16-7-2010 by Astroved]

I tried editing my post twice to add the link to the article, it would not post. The fish-kill link follows:

www.floridaoilspilllaw.com...\
st-two-weeks-isnt-related-to-annual-cycle-lesions-in-the-brain-points-to-toxicit\
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Astroved

reply to post by NineEleven11



OP: ".....that is no excuse for people to go around and believe these theories are fact before they are proven to be.'

You are stating this as a fact, when, in fact (lol!), it is simply your opinion, which some people will agree with and others will not.

OP: 'no excuse'

Your opinion seems to be based on the premise that those who do choose to believe certain theories, and see them as fact, need an excuse for doing so. And you imply that this (your opinion) is a fact - for everyone, which is blatantly, dare I say it, ---- factually inaccurate.

OP: 'ATS should be used as a tool to refine theories'

Only theories???? How about an exchange of information or FACTS? A sharing of news? A comparison of news on a given topic? An exploration of a topic? A discussion on FACTS? A sharing of experience?? A source of inspiration?? A tool for learning???

Once again, you state your own (in this case very limited) personal, subjective, ill thought through OPINION as FACT, which it clearly is not.

Then because YOU believe it is a fact, you want to IMPOSE this subjective, narrow, ill thought through, personal OPINION on everyone else on this site.

This is sloppy thinking and sloppy logic.

What is the difference between you and those you criticise? You criticise them for taking a theory as fact, whilst at the same time, you state your personal (restricted) opinion (which is, after all, only a theory) as fact.

Now, as has been suggested earlier, why don't you go and look up the word 'hypocrite' ...and while you're there, maybe also look up the word 'fact'.










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Originally posted by NineEleven11
I bet you are racist too..

EDIT: Because it ain't worth it and this quote speaks for itself considering the topic.

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Originally posted by SaosinEngaged
With a disaster as horrible is this, it greatly irritates me how hyperbolic many posters have become...

Stop letting wild speculation get the best of you. Deal with the facts. Don't let the opinion of some random "expert" take hold of you and allow you to propogate that opinion as fact. It's really sad the extent to which that happens here on this board.

Like the topic on the main page about BP "obviously" covering up another leak. Everyone's acting like that's some sort of fact, when the reality is it's nothing more than wild speculation. Treat it as such...

It angers me, because even after the well has capped, it almost seems like some of you WANT this catastrophe to continue so you can propogate more of this world ending doomsday nonsense. It's really aggrivating...

SaosinEngaged, where do you get your news?

Here are some facts:

1.) this was even on Fox, the cap is NOT a permanent fix and there is a worrisome fact about the cap -- the pressure is not up to what it should be -- this probably means there's a leak elsewhere. (I'm paraphrasing the announcer.)

2.) A May 23, 2010 article… in the Orlando Sentinel stated that well records
indicate that in late February, there was a loss in drilling mud pressure.
According to the article, this could mean that the mud fractured layers of sand or shale in the formation and vanished. The article goes on to state that in early March, the pressure of the oil and gas encountered overwhelmed the pressure of the drilling mud. In mid-April, a loss of drilling mud was reportedly again experienced. Do any or all of these events indicate that oil and gas could be flowing from somewhere other than the target reservoir? If so, please explain fully, and if not, why not?

Thank you very much for your attention to this important matter. Please provide your response no later than Friday July 2, 2010. If you have any questions or concerns, please have your staff contact Dr. Michal Freedhoff of the Energy and Environment Subcommittee staff at 202-225-2836.

Sincerely,

Edward J. Markey
Chairman
Energy and Environment Subcommittee

cc: Honorable Henry Waxman, Chairman
Honorable Joe Barton, Ranking Member
Honorable Fred Upton, Ranking Member

(click on link below to view interview at the end of the article)

www.floridaoilspilllaw.com...\licly-disclose-integrity-of-wellbore-more-video

3.) the Obama regime already KNOWS about the oil spewing from other fractures in the sea floor. BP called in Anatoly Sagalevich of the Shirshov Institute of Oceanology to examine the site shortly after the explosion. (Sagalevich is a deep submergence vehicle expert [down to 19,685 ft].)

He gave "nearly hourly updates to both US government & BP officials ... including US Senator Bill Nelson (Florida)."

Oil is leaking from various fractures, the worst being from a crack about seven miles from the well bore site.

ireport.cnn.com...

If this is not enough to convince you of multiple oil leaks, then I can only conclude you really don't want to know what's going on in the Gulf.

Astroved