What is all the fuss about?

reply to post by Mike Stivic


Have you bothered to check the profile of the OP? The OP has far from a troll and has posted on many threads since joining. Respect for other viewpoints is what ATS is about. Not blind mindless attacks just because someone dares to post a view you do not agree with.

reply to post by nobodysavedme


I honestly thought it was sarcasm.

America needs some people with more savvy, so you wanna move over here so i can go to the U.S?

In all honesty, it is people like you which make their fellow citizens a bit sad...if your OP is for real.

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reply to post by nobodysavedme


Wow now aren't your math skills ripe! Try giving those stastics to those that have lost their jobs in the fishing industry, those that are sick from the dispersants and oil they are coming in contact with, the foul smell in the air, the animals that have died, the environment that has been destroyed, the beaches their children can't walk on, etc. I can tell you right now they could care less about your math skills, but they could use a little heart and soul!

reply to post by faceoff85


The main problem with the spill is that they have tapped into a 'young' oil pool. If you do some research, you will find that the Gulf is full of mounds, mountains and volcanoes of thick oil, tar and bitumen. There is a big one off the Mexican coast. Normally oil 'ages' as it percolates up through porous rock layers, and by the time it reaches the ocean bed, it is quite thick, and does not float away. Any gases and volatiles actually becomes food for the microbes at the very bottom of the ocean food chain, the oceans would be no where near as productive without oil!
Oil companies like the younger oil, it is much less expensive to refine into fuel, where stuff like the tar sands is very energy intensive to refine.
And on the well casing erosion, I'd gladly let a bet that there is no thinning, but we will just have to wait for the truth to come out.

reply to post by faceoff85


montana is in the united states.

not the uk.

Yikes.. others agree with OP..
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Oh my, oh my. In your OP you say it will "simply disperse"...
IF they weren't pouring in unprecedented amounts of dispersants then, POSSIBLY the oil, being organic and natural, MIGHT just do its thing. BUT the chemicals hinder nature's natural methods!
BBC news did a story last nigt from Alaska where they are STILL finding oil 21 years later. The economy is only just beginning to resurrect itself. Some people lost everything then and had no choice but to leave their homes and start new lives elsewhere. Every four days the Deepwater Horizon disaster is equal to an Exon Valdez.! (in a report I read when this first began) EVRY FOUR DAYS ! and this has been going on how long? Nearly 3 months! HELLO.....!

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Originally posted by justadood
reply to post by faceoff85

 

montana is in the united states.

not the uk.

I wasn't talking about geographics, I merely mentioned the scale of this oil spill... Guess I was trying to impress here... oil from the GOM washing up in England is IMO a pretty good example of the magnitude and the consequences this spill will have in the near future...

BTW its said the oil would initially head to Ireland...

I do wanna say that its a good thing to keep both feet on the ground and not get lost in pointless speculation. Its just that with all the factors in play here, I truly believe this spill is THAT BAD.. The way the media has handled the scarcity of intel coming out, the way BP is quite evidently trying to keep us out of the loop... heck with OP's very own words why the hell would they pump tons and tons of corexit down there? I believe its much more likely that BP did so because they wanna keep the oil below surface level just so the world wont be able to get a good estimate of the size of this spill... There is about 1.6 billion liters of oil needed to turn the entire gulf into a deadzone (1 barrel=146 liters. do the math)Actually I believe this statement is incorrect, my math isn't what it used to be... Then we have the huricane-season wich is known to hit every part of the GOM and of wich the tyfoon's have the ability to carry fish and all kinds of matter miles and miles inland... what will happen if 1 typhoon coincidentially forms over a huge part of sea covered in oil?

What is the effect gonna be of the GOM heating up? last I heard it was 7 degrees Celsius above its average temp... thats quite a bit people!!! Isn't the gulf temperature directly linked to the climate in the UK?


I honestly have no idea how bad this is gonna turn out to be. It could blow over... but I believe thats highly unlikely...

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Originally posted by 5senses
Oh my, oh my. In your OP you say it will "simply disperse"...
IF they weren't pouring in unprecedented amounts of dispersants then, POSSIBLY the oil, being organic and natural, MIGHT just do its thing. BUT the chemicals hinder nature's natural methods!
BBC news did a story last nigt from Alaska where they are STILL finding oil 21 years later. The economy is only just beginning to resurrect itself. Some people lost everything then and had no choice but to leave their homes and start new lives elsewhere. Every four days the Deepwater Horizon disaster is equal to an Exon Valdez.! (in a report I read when this first began) EVRY FOUR DAYS ! and this has been going on how long? Nearly 3 months! HELLO.....!

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GaryN above vindicates me.

Have you looked at a map of Alaska? It is a huge frozen wasteland.The Valdez spill compared to the size of Alaska is like an atom to a block of cheese.


Off course the oil is still there because of the LOW TEMPERATURE.It is essentially frozen.So what if it still there?

Hardly anyone stays there except people who are too jaded to live in normal places and need "adventure".Then they whine about it because of a little oil on some isolated beach.Alaska is mostly empty,can they not move away from it?

I mean one patch of frozen ice looks pretty much like another.

What is the big deal about beaches anyway? I mean it is just some sand with a giant puddle of sewage water nearby.People go there to cavort about semi-naked and display their mounds of flesh and ogle each other.

People seem to revere the beach like some kind of Nirvana.You could do the same in your back garden or swimming pool and be much safer.

And your thing about fisherman is inaccurate.I don't believe there are 20000 fisherman and they can't catch fish.Why can't they travel further or to a different area.They are in boats after all and boats are mobile.
By your own admission you say the oil will not disperse which means it is in a small area and therefore can't effect fish everywhere but then you say it has dispersed and effects fish everywhere.

This is very contradictory.

reply to post by nobodysavedme


seriously your attitude towards this spill borders the respectless. Are you realy not aware of the thousands of people if not a whole lot more who are devastated by this event? There is a HUGE difference between being realistic and being outright inconsiderate. Offcourse its good to hope for the best but FACT is that nobody knows how this event will affect ourselves and our earth...

Would you have your children eat food grown on oily soil? If you would, you'd be willingly taking away from the quality AND quantity of life your children will have. How on earth can you say these things so blatantly when its already fact that there are areas where this concept is already VERY real?

reply to post by nobodysavedme

Ummmm - excuse me...did you actually READ my post? You are mis-quoting me and putting words where I didn't. Get off the couch and do your RESEARCH!

reply to post by nobodysavedme


NobodySavedMe,

Your thread and comments amaze me. You sound like a BP exec that said that the GOM isn't the only place where they have shrimps...

It is true. But a heartless and selfish comment just the same. Right now, tons of people aren't affected by it. But it doesn't mean no one is !!

Have you followed the news on this disaster?

I dare you to print your OP and go to the GOM. Have the fishermen read it. Have the restaurant owners read it. Go around the various tourist attractions and wallpaper it. And then see what happens...Go to the beach and have people there read it.

This is what I deplore about the internet and forums.

Some hero like yourself can hide behind a screen and write whatever comes to mind. Nothing to fear.

Something else also annoyed me in your replies:

____________________________________________________________

As my Uncle Ted says If you can't cope with change you die or are extinct.Simple.

That why White Man triumphed against the Red Indians.They could not compete with our technological prowess and our ambition and drive.

They were content to ride on their horses and never advanced.

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I have Red Indians friends here, as you call them. You claim that they never advanced. How foolish...

They understood life and understand life like you never will.

What a shame.

~S.

reply to post by nobodysavedme



THIS is what the 'big deal' is

www.youtube.com...

it makes my blood boil !!

reply to post by doobydoll


So what are you doing to solve the problem? Just posting a link to a youtube video does what?

We are all to blame for this as much as BP. We all want the benefits of the crude oil economy, and with out crude oil, ATS would not exist as crude oil is the base of many of the products of the internet.

reply to post by SonoftheSun


What does this thread and the comments of the OP amaze you. The whole purpose of ATS is to enable debate, and the OP is putting an alternative view of a current event, and one that I share. I am staggered at the lack of clarity and reasoned debate surrounding this. People are jut jumping on this and posting with engaing their brains.

If you deplore the internet and forums, can I suggest that ATS is not the place for you.

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Originally posted by Freedom ERP
reply to post by doobydoll

 

So what are you doing to solve the problem? Just posting a link to a youtube video does what?

We are all to blame for this as much as BP. We all want the benefits of the crude oil economy, and with out crude oil, ATS would not exist as crude oil is the base of many of the products of the internet.

This statement is only half true... we are dependant on fosil fuels for 1 reason and 1 reason ONLY.... Because TPTB wishes it... how often have there been alternatives sugested, wich in turn are always being put in a very dark place unreachable for the public, by the oil-giants themselves...

They are intentionally keeping us dependant on oil...

reply to post by Flatfish


And what does this post add to what ATS is about? Calling a poster an idiot because you disagree them them, is NOT what ATS is about. If you can not think on anything constructive to post, then do not bother.

ATS is about a safe, mature place when members can discuss and debate issues and be safe from ill informed posts.

reply to post by faceoff85


Hopefully the OP will not mind too much with my reply as I fear it could be seen as off topic.

I do agree that we are currently forced down the crude oil economy, but the oil companies are not the only people to blame. if only President Obama would be as vocal and use the power of the office of President as effectively as he has tried to use it to ruin a global company, to force the major oil companies to release all the technology they have for alternative energy sources.

Okay, I have a very simple question for you nobodysavedme. It might seem a little strange, but it's important... ready? Here it is...

You are in a swimming pool. There's a first grader about 15 feet from you. You see the water around him turn bright blue because he just peed in it.

Now, are you going to stay in the pool, or are you going to get out until it's cleaned?


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