UFOs over London, 9 July 2010 ..

Yes I want an official explanation, or at least some start to it.

Well you probably aren't going to get one, UFOs are reported on I'm pretty sure atleast 100s or maybe thousands of times a day, and 90% of them turn out to be birds, balloons, etc, so why should they look into yours when in the video itself they appear to be chinese lanterns?

That's the least you would expect when living in a metropolis like London, I certainly wasn't the only one in millions to see these lights.

Where's the rush of sightings then? Or the rush of people posting more videos? All we have is yours and one report, sure you could probably get a few more to say they saw some orange things in the sky, but that doesn't make them any less of a chinese lantern, which is probably what they were.

And no, I am not satisfied with this statement: looks like lanterns, so it's lanterns, period.
That's no explanation, that's stubborn religion. We had enough of this crap for thousands of years.

That's not religion, that's based on the fact that WE HAVE SEEN CHINESE LANTERNS IN THE SKY BEFORE, on ats, and probably for a few people in real life, and THIS is what they looked like, and moved like.

Sorry no, I want to hear: these WERE lanterns, not LOOKED LIKE.

Then I will be satisfied and shut my mouth.

Well that's impossible, you can't tell anything from a video itself, as you've agreed with me before on.

What can you tell from tiny shiny dots on my video and how can you be so sure it was lanterns or whatever from pixel things?

The way they move, direction, color, etc, we've been over this.

Who can one seriously tell, unless there is an investigation?
Or at least something in the media or from the govt, which is not the case.
Or other actual witness statements from people who saw the same thing, not just people who saw videos of chinese lanterns before?

Nobody can, but thats the bad part of UFOlogy, after several thousand hoaxes and false sightings of birds and such, alot of the government interest in UFOs went down and they stopped caring(Or so they have us believe)

I called 999 and was passed from service to service, I doubt anyone ever bothered to record anything.
That may be why it lasted so long even if it was lanterns with no permission to be launched.
It was a warm Friday night in London, the warmest night of this year actually.
Maybe it impaired some of the people who were supposed to stay aware and doing the job we pay them for...

Well go ask them then, go find some pilots who were flying in the area, pilots are alot more credible than one person on the internet, instead of arguing over what the majority of this thread thinks they are.

Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by harryposter

Well ok, you only have my video.

Watch it again (the three parts, not just the first ten seconds) and tell me there was no change in direction or speed...

Especially Part 2 at 2:25 or so

Anyway, even if you notice you will tell me it's down to swirling winds or mother nature etc.

I'm telling you that's what I taped and I'm eager to know what it was.
Nothing else.

Please enlighten me...

Yes, it appears to be due to swirling winds, but I'm sure you won't accept that answer because it doesn't fit with what you believe.
Because winds on earth high in the air? RIDICULOUS GARBAGE.

What do you want me to say?



[edit on 17-7-2010 by hippomchippo]

What do I want you to say?

I'd rather want you to do something: check the Met Office records for the night of 9 July over London for example...

Once you have checked, please feel free to say something...

I'll spare you the hassle but you can still double-check if in doubt:

No wind at ground level, up to 2-3mph (maybe 5) at tree level, 17-19mph up in the air, WSW-ENE

Far lower than the speed of the lights we saw.

Maybe the chinese lanterns were flying at 30,000 ft or something?

Oh, go ahead please, double-check and tell me something I don't know (or don't understand, maybe?).

Originally posted by harryposter
What do I want you to say?

I'd rather want you to do something: check the Met Office records for the night of 9 July over London for example...

Once you have checked, please feel free to say something...

I'll spare you the hassle but you can still double-check if in doubt:

No wind at ground level, up to 2-3mph (maybe 5) at tree level, 17-19mph up in the air, WSW-ENE

Far lower than the speed of the lights we saw.

Maybe the chinese lanterns were flying at 30,000 ft or something?

Oh, go ahead please, double-check and tell me something I don't know (or don't understand, maybe?).

And you think that amount of wind can't make chinese lanterns move?
I'd love to know how you measured the speed of the lights you saw though.

Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by harryposter

You implied my video was a hoax. No, you actually said both words: video and hoax.

So tell me, how would you make a video hoax without CGI? With Chinese lanterns maybe?

Back to step one...

Yes, with chinese lanterns, you could hoax a UFO video.
Do you know what hoax means?
When those guys who said they caught bigfoot a couple years back didn't actually have a body, that was a hoax.
Hoax does not equal CGI.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by hippomchippo]

I didn't put the lights in the sky, they were there.

I didn't hoax anything, I only taped from my balcony in Wapping.

Have you read my other posts by the way?
About permission that people releasing hundreds of lanterns over London would have needed (if they ever could), about regular air traffic at the time, about the Metropolitan Police etc.?

Frankly I believe I have said everything and more than enough about this and my opinion before.

Originally posted by harryposter

Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by harryposter

You implied my video was a hoax. No, you actually said both words: video and hoax.

So tell me, how would you make a video hoax without CGI? With Chinese lanterns maybe?

Back to step one...

Yes, with chinese lanterns, you could hoax a UFO video.
Do you know what hoax means?
When those guys who said they caught bigfoot a couple years back didn't actually have a body, that was a hoax.
Hoax does not equal CGI.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by hippomchippo]

I didn't put the lights in the sky, they were there.

I didn't hoax anything, I only taped from my balcony in Wapping.

Have you read my other posts by the way?
About permission that people releasing hundreds of lanterns over London would have needed (if they ever could), about regular air traffic at the time, about the Metropolitan Police etc.?

Frankly I believe I have said everything and more than enough about this and my opinion before.

Yes you have, but chinese lanterns have been used to hoax UFO videos before, that is all I'm trying to say.
Perhaps not you that actually released the lanterns, but somebody who may have wanted to hoax a UFO sighting released them in sets, hoping someone would discover them and make media headlines.

Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by harryposter
What do I want you to say?

I'd rather want you to do something: check the Met Office records for the night of 9 July over London for example...

Once you have checked, please feel free to say something...

I'll spare you the hassle but you can still double-check if in doubt:

No wind at ground level, up to 2-3mph (maybe 5) at tree level, 17-19mph up in the air, WSW-ENE

Far lower than the speed of the lights we saw.

Maybe the chinese lanterns were flying at 30,000 ft or something?

Oh, go ahead please, double-check and tell me something I don't know (or don't understand, maybe?).

And you think that amount of wind can't make chinese lanterns move?
I'd love to know how you measured the speed of the lights you saw though.

Well I live there, they were roughly coming from behind the Shard (at London Bridge) and were disappearing somewhere above Whitechapel, which is about 5 miles or so.

The lights were covering that distance in about 3 minutes before disappearing.

Ok, let's just say (for the sake of the skeptics) that they were roughly covering 3 miles in 3 minutes, so 1 mile per minute...

That would be, uh... 60mph, am I wrong?

With winds in the higher layers of London at 17-19mph on that night...

Do chinese lanterns have motors nowadays? And don't they go up in the skies by the way, as opposed to travelling horixontally across the sky?
And don't they burn out eventually?

Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by harryposter

Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by harryposter

You implied my video was a hoax. No, you actually said both words: video and hoax.

So tell me, how would you make a video hoax without CGI? With Chinese lanterns maybe?

Back to step one...

Yes, with chinese lanterns, you could hoax a UFO video.
Do you know what hoax means?
When those guys who said they caught bigfoot a couple years back didn't actually have a body, that was a hoax.
Hoax does not equal CGI.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by hippomchippo]

I didn't put the lights in the sky, they were there.

I didn't hoax anything, I only taped from my balcony in Wapping.

Have you read my other posts by the way?
About permission that people releasing hundreds of lanterns over London would have needed (if they ever could), about regular air traffic at the time, about the Metropolitan Police etc.?

Frankly I believe I have said everything and more than enough about this and my opinion before.

Yes you have, but chinese lanterns have been used to hoax UFO videos before, that is all I'm trying to say.
Perhaps not you that actually released the lanterns, but somebody who may have wanted to hoax a UFO sighting released them in sets, hoping someone would discover them and make media headlines.

Well it didn't make the media headlines whatsoever so far.

And believe me, releasing so many lanterns over Central London, crossing the flying paths of helicopters and commercial airplanes descending to Heathrow or to the London City Airport would have been swiftly taken care of by the Met within 10 minutes of the first call to 999.

It wouldn't have lasted for 30 minutes, no way.

Now, if they had any permission (which I seriously doubt), the aerial traffic would have been diverted somewhere else.
Come on, diverting the air traffic for the sake of some lanterns, considering the financial implications... seriously?

If it was a hoax, the hoaxers would certainly be in custody as we speak and we would probably know about it.

Still nothing in the news however, one way or the other, or the other, or the other...

Originally posted by harryposter

Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by harryposter

Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by harryposter

You implied my video was a hoax. No, you actually said both words: video and hoax.

So tell me, how would you make a video hoax without CGI? With Chinese lanterns maybe?

Back to step one...

Yes, with chinese lanterns, you could hoax a UFO video.
Do you know what hoax means?
When those guys who said they caught bigfoot a couple years back didn't actually have a body, that was a hoax.
Hoax does not equal CGI.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by hippomchippo]

I didn't put the lights in the sky, they were there.

I didn't hoax anything, I only taped from my balcony in Wapping.

Have you read my other posts by the way?
About permission that people releasing hundreds of lanterns over London would have needed (if they ever could), about regular air traffic at the time, about the Metropolitan Police etc.?

Frankly I believe I have said everything and more than enough about this and my opinion before.

Yes you have, but chinese lanterns have been used to hoax UFO videos before, that is all I'm trying to say.
Perhaps not you that actually released the lanterns, but somebody who may have wanted to hoax a UFO sighting released them in sets, hoping someone would discover them and make media headlines.

Well it didn't make the media headlines whatsoever so far.

And believe me, releasing so many lanterns over Central London, crossing the flying paths of helicopters and commercial airplanes descending to Heathrow or to the London City Airport would have been swiftly taken care of by the Met within 10 minutes of the first call to 999.

It wouldn't have lasted for 30 minutes, no way.

Now, if they had any permission (which I seriously doubt), the aerial traffic would have been diverted somewhere else.
Come on, diverting the air traffic for the sake of some lanterns, considering the financial implications... seriously?

If it was a hoax, the hoaxers would certainly be in custody as we speak and we would probably know about it.

Still nothing in the news however, one way or the other, or the other, or the other...

Or they fell down before they could interrupt air traffic?
I don't know how good you think the police are at catching criminals, but it would be pretty hard to find out who released them in such a big place like london

All in all, you're asking way too much of the ATS members here, all we have to go on is your three videos and testimony, and from what we've seen, it appears to be a chinese lantern, I suggest getting in touch with pilots or airlines nearby and see if there has been an actual disturbance, if there has, you know for sure that it wasn't a chinese lantern.
Good luck mate.

Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by harryposter

Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by harryposter

Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by harryposter

You implied my video was a hoax. No, you actually said both words: video and hoax.

So tell me, how would you make a video hoax without CGI? With Chinese lanterns maybe?

Back to step one...

Yes, with chinese lanterns, you could hoax a UFO video.
Do you know what hoax means?
When those guys who said they caught bigfoot a couple years back didn't actually have a body, that was a hoax.
Hoax does not equal CGI.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by hippomchippo]

I didn't put the lights in the sky, they were there.

I didn't hoax anything, I only taped from my balcony in Wapping.

Have you read my other posts by the way?
About permission that people releasing hundreds of lanterns over London would have needed (if they ever could), about regular air traffic at the time, about the Metropolitan Police etc.?

Frankly I believe I have said everything and more than enough about this and my opinion before.

Yes you have, but chinese lanterns have been used to hoax UFO videos before, that is all I'm trying to say.
Perhaps not you that actually released the lanterns, but somebody who may have wanted to hoax a UFO sighting released them in sets, hoping someone would discover them and make media headlines.

Well it didn't make the media headlines whatsoever so far.

And believe me, releasing so many lanterns over Central London, crossing the flying paths of helicopters and commercial airplanes descending to Heathrow or to the London City Airport would have been swiftly taken care of by the Met within 10 minutes of the first call to 999.

It wouldn't have lasted for 30 minutes, no way.

Now, if they had any permission (which I seriously doubt), the aerial traffic would have been diverted somewhere else.
Come on, diverting the air traffic for the sake of some lanterns, considering the financial implications... seriously?

If it was a hoax, the hoaxers would certainly be in custody as we speak and we would probably know about it.

Still nothing in the news however, one way or the other, or the other, or the other...

Or they fell down before they could interrupt air traffic?
I don't know how good you think the police are at catching criminals, but it would be pretty hard to find out who released them in such a big place like london

You obviously don't live in London...

I can guarantee you when something's happening wherever in London, the cops are there within minutes after a phone call, sometimes within seconds.

And I believe Tower Bridge is not so hard to find, is it? Even for a copper...

Originally posted by hippomchippo
All in all, you're asking way too much of the ATS members here, all we have to go on is your three videos and testimony, and from what we've seen, it appears to be a chinese lantern, I suggest getting in touch with pilots or airlines nearby and see if there has been an actual disturbance, if there has, you know for sure that it wasn't a chinese lantern.
Good luck mate.

I actually thought of that, but how do I do it?
I know of one site where you can hear live conversations between airplanes and ATC, but I don't think they have recorded archives, and of course I didn't think about putting it up when I saw these planes flying across the lights on that night.

I am not asking that much, just for someone who saw the same thing in or around London, but I guess most members here are from the other side of the pond so that obviously makes it a bit "too much" as you say.

Take care

Originally posted by harryposter

Originally posted by hippomchippo
All in all, you're asking way too much of the ATS members here, all we have to go on is your three videos and testimony, and from what we've seen, it appears to be a chinese lantern, I suggest getting in touch with pilots or airlines nearby and see if there has been an actual disturbance, if there has, you know for sure that it wasn't a chinese lantern.
Good luck mate.

I actually thought of that, but how do I do it?
I know of one site where you can hear live conversations between airplanes and ATC, but I don't think they have recorded archives, and of course I didn't think about putting it up when I saw these planes flying across the lights on that night.

I am not asking that much, just for someone who saw the same thing in or around London, but I guess most members here are from the other side of the pond so that obviously makes it a bit "too much" as you say.

Take care

Well if you knew where it was released or where it reached max height you could try and scout out airports, maybe do a google map search for the number, I'm not really sure either though.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by hippomchippo]

reply to post by harryposter


"And who are they by the way, all these people who say "Oh come on, it's chinese lanterns!" Where do they come from?"

Probably people who have seen chinese lanterns before , looking IDENTICAL to this ,thats where there coming from.

I am also intrested in how you worked out 60mph from the objects not knowing there distance or size?

this link may help you realise why many people are probably seeing lanterns in your video....www.ufo-blog.com...



[edit on 18-7-2010 by gambon]

Originally posted by harryposter

Originally posted by ShadowArcher
The sad thing is, I think you actually believe it. How truly pathetic and infantile you are being. I no longer care in the least what those orange objects are - all available evidence points to Chinese lanterns, and you are unwilling to have a civil discussion about it to see if we can discount that theory. I'm done with you

[edit on 17-7-2010 by ShadowArcher]

Well, let's just discount the UFO hypothesis then.

Under durress, I am saying these were Chinese lanterns!

Happy with that? Please say Yes!

You are just mind-numbingly dim. I know you are French, but you English is very clearly good enough to understand a simple sentence. I said that you are unwilling to have a discussion to try and discount the Chinese lantern theory, and you reply with this #! What is wrong with you? And why in the hell would I be happy with such a stupid and infantile response?

Originally posted by ShadowArcher
reply to post by OldDragger

 

Just to clarify, harryposter has NOT stated anywhere in this thread that he thinks these are alien craft. He appears open to the fact that they may be lanterns, but wants proof either way.

Exactly!

What took you so long? Ran out of MJ or whatever you smoke???

Whatever I smoke?! You are truly astounding. You are so phenominally stupid that I can't help but come back and reply. What took me so long for what? You go find me one single sentence that I have posted which claims anything to the contrary.

And yes, I do want this thread to close. Your response to that is one of the reasons. I have stated very clearly over and over that I am unbiased and open-minded, not taking sides of this argument, simply asking questions to clarify what is fact. And still you somehow come to the conclusion that I am a fascist who doesnt like differing opinions. It is that kind of mind-blowing stupidity and this ridiculous bickering you've drawn me into that is the reason this thread needs to be shut down.

There are 3 regular posters on this thread open to these not being lanterns - you, me and DCDAVECLARKE (Beamish appears to have left, understandably), but you aren't interested in discussion. So you tell me what is the point of the thread remaining?

[edit on 18-7-2010 by ShadowArcher]

Originally posted by harryposter

Jeez guys! I never claimed they were UFOs for Christ's sake!

But you have titled your video UFOs over London and (if it is you making the 999 call) you clearly say "It's about a UFO sighting" while speaking on the phone.

I am not asking that much, just for someone who saw the same thing in or around London,

People who did witness what you filmed have responded on your Youtube page. They tell you quite clearly that they saw the lanterns being released - "they were released under Tower Bridge. I was walking past as they were being sent up." Most everyone posting in this thread also say they are Chinese lanterns. I, too, can see quite clearly that they are lanterns especially at 720p and in full screen. You can see the tell-tale bright flame at the base and the feint glow of the canopy. The shape of the canopy itself can be easily discerned.

It seems that you simply refuse to accept the obvious and rational explanation for reasons that are only known to yourself.

All wright there bloody lanterns! but how was he to know when he first filmed the things! just leave it at that!

reply to post by harryposter


Just love you guys that can look at these things and work out speeds gets me all the time lets see

You dont know the size of the objects
You dont know how far away they are
You dont know how high up they are

You have NO definite info to work out a speed so HOW can you do it!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by wmd_2008


Its over time for bed little boy!

reply to post by DCDAVECLARKE


I am in the same time zone as you so after you by the way I like HOW you put your ideas up to prove me wrong





[edit on 18-7-2010 by wmd_2008]

reply to post by ShadowArcher

(Beamish appears to have left, understandably)

No, I’m still here, but only for reading purposes. I really don’t have the energy to engage closed minds anymore it seems (more on that later).

The subject of the video was pretty much settled for me some time ago, and as DCDAVECLARKE now states

All wright there bloody lanterns! but how was he to know when he first filmed the things! just leave it at that!

and as torsion has posted the killer evidence that

People who did witness what you filmed have responded on your Youtube page. They tell you quite clearly that they saw the lanterns being released - "they were released under Tower Bridge. I was walking past as they were being sent up." Most everyone posting in this thread also say they are Chinese lanterns. I, too, can see quite clearly that they are lanterns especially at 720p and in full screen. You can see the tell-tale bright flame at the base and the feint glow of the canopy. The shape of the canopy itself can be easily discerned.

it seems that the simplest explanation really was the correct one.

Not that that makes me happy in any way, as it really would have been spectacular – not to mention long overdue – if “real” UFOs – as in something that is not easily identifiable – were seen and filmed.

Still, we can only hope and wait for that video to appear, and I fully believe it will appear.

And as to those “closed minds” on this, and other, threads; I was always under the impression that it should be those classed as “non-believers” – as in those who actually believe, and who will allow for any possibility, but who insist on a sensible approach to the UFO subject - who are accused of having this lack of insight.

It appears that closemindedness is also alive and well amongst the “believer” fraternity – as in those who will argue until they’re blue in the face that any weird light filmed must be a UFO - too.

ShadowArcher, we have crossed swords before, but on this occasion I tip my hat to you for standing your ground in the face of what can only be described as a real reluctance to face reality from other posters.