Welcome to the Unpossible Future... The AGI Manhattan Project

Could they really be stupid enough to try and live forever? Are they so gripped with fear about death that it outweighs their curiosity about what death really is?

They are willingly trapping themselves in the material world? The irony here is amazing! They are literally condemning themselves to an eternity in hell! They will regret their decision and found themselves trying to cut their heads off only to have it grow right back.

I wouldn't worry about them succeeding in anything remotely dangerous to human beings survival. You or I may die, most of the population may die, but I highly doubt that evolution is going to sick back and let anything destroy it's greatest achievement of all time.

Just think, in one thousand years, everyone will be able to leave bodies at will, travel the cosmos with a thought, heal their bodies, travel to different realms. Yet, they will still be here, trapped, forever, watching everyone else do things they never dreamed possible.

Even when the sun explodes in 5 trillion years, they will be in space, suffocating over and over and over again. Space boarding anyone? Karma is a bitch.

Life is OUR experience.
That is a big difference.
We are not life.

Technology is not just iron machines. It is also chemical machines. It is also biological machines. Electronic, magnetic, etc.

As for test of "turning" - human beings are trained to follow protocols. These aggregates of protocols (socialization, social animal) are then wrongly taken as "humans". Therefore, this test is nothing but an apology of the existing treatment of human beings as machines, or if you prefer "political animals". All they are looking for is an excuse of the existing form.

All our emotions and behavior are conditioned. If we are not conditioned in this manner, then we are standing out and are exposed, and the social mechanism will tend to "socialize" us, or "correct" us (like in correction camps).

History is full of examples, although many of them are hidden and censored, of elimination of all those who don't "fit".

Basically, human conditioning through civilization is slave conditioning.



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Originally posted by Klaatumagnum
And perhaps this is the great choice we must make. Either we march toward human-machine integration and stay in the "program, this Matrix"
or retain a totally biological configuration, exit the program and move toward the hard drive- the Creator? Namaste

Well we're always on the multiversal "hard-drive".
As our soul records, as does the universe.

We can of course have hybrids,
of biology and robotics.
Indeed we do already,
as mentioned in the heather material.
And lots of people with robotic parts (pace makers).

Also lots of people that are "wired" much of the time (cell phone, mp3 player, laptop).

So having this discussion on this online forum,
implies you are a transhuman,
to some extent.

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Greek word "hormone" means - enforcer.

From Greek hormn, present participle of hormn, to urge on, from horm, impulse; see er-1 in Indo-European roots.

Therefore, biological-chemical machines - conditioned wholes with programmed "survival" protocols. This survival protocol is not really natural, it is much more ideological and part of slave conditioning, especially in history times. Early Christians beat it since they willingly wanted to die and deliver themselves from suffering, and since the major effort was invested in creation of Christian church (Constantine) and killing all those who refused to be "baptized"... Go figure.

I see no difference between biology and technology, especially when it comes to motivation. Modern genetics is proof that it is possible, if not very likely, that genetic engineering existed long time ago, and that technology/biology represent simply different point of perspective, but are essentially one and same.

Obviously, the motivation preceded existence of life (even if we were capable to precisely mark the difference between life and non-life).

Scientific theory as evolution has serious problem, since it has been proved that even prions evolve, and prions are just a protein molecule, much less "complicated" than viruses, which are also considered a "threshold" of life (not alive).

Originally posted by DangerDeath
I see no difference between biology and technology, especially when it comes to motivation.

Can you distinguish those two words?

Modern genetics is proof that it is possible, if not very likely, that genetic engineering existed long time ago, and that technology/biology represent simply different point of perspective, but are essentially one and same.

yes star beings genetically modified earth humans.

Obviously, the motivation preceded existence of life (even if we were capable to precisely mark the difference between life and non-life).

Scientific theory as evolution has serious problem, since it has been proved that even prions evolve, and prions are just a protein molecule, much less "complicated" than viruses, which are also considered a "threshold" of life (not alive).

Even rocks be alive my friend.
Where life is experience.

quote from lawofone.info...

9.4 Questioner: The original, first entities on this planet—what was their origin? Where were they before they were on this planet?

Ra: I am Ra. The first entities upon this planet were water, fire, air and earth.

13.16 Questioner: Could you tell me about this first density of planetary entities?

Ra: I am Ra. Each step recapitulates intelligent infinity in its discovery of awareness. In a planetary environment all begins in what you would call chaos, energy undirected and random in its infinity. Slowly, in your terms of understanding, there forms a focus of self-awareness. Thus the Logos moves. Light comes to form the darkness, according to the co-Creator’s patterns and vibratory rhythms, so constructing a certain type of experience. This begins with first density which is the density of consciousness, the mineral and water life upon the planet learning from fire and wind the awareness of being. This is the first density.

13.17 Questioner: How does this first density then progress to greater awareness?

Ra: I am Ra. The spiraling energy, which is the characteristic of what you call “light,” moves in a straight line spiral thus giving spirals an inevitable vector upwards to a more comprehensive beingness with regards to intelligent infinity. Thus, first dimensional beingness strives towards the second-density lessons of a type of awareness which includes growth rather than dissolution or random change.

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Awesome avatar!

Now for my thought, I have this feeling AIG would make a cool game, but if this was ever to become real, I am not sure if I could take the plunge.

Lowki, read Parmenides. There you have this philosophy of the One clearly depicted.

books.google.com... ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=plato%27s%20parmenides&f=false

Egyptian "religion", like all religions, was created in order to confuse people, not to enhance their cognition.

What really preceded Egyptian religion was philosophy, which was then decomposed into their religion for political reasons (slave conditioning).

This philosophy states that first principle is Atum (which means singularity - Greeks pronounced this word as ATOM - the one which cannot be divided).

But then, religion claims that from Atum sprang heaven and sea, and day and night, etc. etc. etc. which is a projection meant to keep people together in the certain state of slavery, as functional parts of the great political machine expressed in the one of the greatest symbols of all times - the political factory of shock and awe called PYRAMID.

That anything springs from singularity is utter nonsense. It is the need for continuing projection to state such nonsense - the Big Brother Show must go on! This is the essence of the ideology of survival. Since no living being in this Universe or Earth can survive, obviously the only thing that survives is this Ideology, and it does so by consuming ignorant people who sacrifice their lives to it.

This is the same justification valid for all known ideologies, including the Borg Collective, which is not simply a thingy for Trekkies... it is the ultimate artistic vision of the ongoing civilization's mechanism of enslavement and consumption of humans and all other living beings (as is blatantly stated in the Bible, as well as in other works, like Melville's "Moby Dick", for instance, where utterly empathy-less exploitation of natural "resources" has been depicted, as well as the mechanism of consumption of human being, personified in captain Ahab). The white whale, of course, symbolizes the singularity (principle) which cannot be utilized by such ideology.


I almost forgot to mention - the mentioned Ideology is also called Technology.






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It is appropriate because it is prophecy about Soul-Catching, followed by Nostradamus prophecy of Soul-Catching.

I invented the Neuromimetic Hybrid Processor in question, and the non-invasive BMI that will allow for my consciousness to be transferred to it. I pitched it to DARPA but being an independent inventor I was dismissed - to my knowledge. I studied interdisciplinarian computer engineering at Cornell...I was told not to use my imagination...

This technology will never come from academic/military circles, pieces perhaps but not the whole thing. The reason I could invent it and they can't is because they are specialists and I study everything.

I provided a link to the abstract about my NHP. What I didn't know when I wrote that abstract back in 2001 was the driver for it:

www.imagination-engines.com...

Also Sony has been working on a similar non-invasive BMI, mine is like a miniature version of HAARP, the scalar bottle acts as the thalamus.

All the parts are available, I don't have the means to prototype or patent it myself but I don't really need to to know it will work, the brain is quite capable of back-engineering itself.

As you may have allready noticed : The universe may be inside a black hole ...


If you have all answers , what is the most important question : HOW DO WE LIVE ?

There are pro and cons technology

But Where is the "equilibrium" :
* First point : The extrem pros and cons people : should not be heard : we are not against technology : and we cannot accept all technology.
* Second point : If you are an extremist : you will be treated as an extremist : do you know how ends the nazys ?
* Third point : the "genetic data" of people, and the "information data" will never be public data, and if some individuals decide to change those datas, the data should be saved : and at any cost it can be regenerated to the natural form.

Originally posted by DangerDeath
Lowki, read Parmenides. There you have this philosophy of the One clearly depicted.

books.google.com... ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=plato%27s%20parmenides&f=false

Egyptian "religion", like all religions, was created in order to confuse people, not to enhance their cognition

Yes, the Law Of One (from the 1980's).
Ra mentions Egypt in the Law of One material.
lawofone.info...

Ra’s Work on Earth

1.3 Questioner: I’ve heard of the name “Ra” in connection with the Egyptians. Are you connected with that Ra in any way?

Ra: I am Ra. Yes, the connection is congruency. May we elucidate? What do you not understand?

1.4 Questioner: Could you give me a little more detail about your role with the Egyptians?

Ra: I am Ra. The identity of the vibration Ra is our identity. We as a group, or what you would call a social memory complex, made contact with a race of your planetary kind which you call Egyptians. Others from our density made contact at the same time in South America, and the so-called “lost cities” were their attempts to contribute to the Law of One.

We spoke to one who heard and understood and was in a position to decree the Law of One. However, the priests and peoples of that era quickly distorted our message, robbing it of the, shall we say, compassion with which unity is informed by its very nature. Since it contains all, it cannot abhor any.

When we were no longer able to have appropriate channels through which to enunciate the Law of One, we removed ourselves from the now hypocritical position which we had allowed ourselves to be placed in. Other myths, shall we say, having more to do with polarity and the things of your vibration that are complex, again took over in that particular society/complex.

DangerDeath
This is the same justification valid for all known ideologies, including the Borg Collective, which is not simply a thingy for Trekkies... it is the ultimate artistic vision of the ongoing civilization's mechanism of enslavement and consumption of humans and all other living beings

Are you referring to corporation?
Or super-organisms like Gray-hominid hives?

DangerDeath
I almost forgot to mention - the mentioned Ideology is also called Technology.
[edit on 16-7-2010 by DangerDeath]

Let's look at the meaning of technology.

www.etymonline.com...

technology
1615, "discourse or treatise on an art or the arts," from Gk. tekhnologia "systematic treatment of an art, craft, or technique," originally referring to grammar, from tekhno- (see techno-) + -logia. The meaning "science of the mechanical and industrial arts" is first recorded 1859.

Okay, well if you generalize "technology",
as "systematic procedure or documentation",
sure that could be most things.


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Techne is Greek for skill or craft.
They didn't distinguish art from skill. (No word for art in old Greek).
With Aristotle, came categorization, the root of science (statistics).

The word technology may have various meanings depending on particular context.

What I am implying here is Technology as a system of interpretation, which in fact organizes data of interest.

This system, in fact, is the Ideology.

The idea of life actually includes individual life interpreted as part of wider bio-system, and since today humans have developed their own system of interpretation (technology) which tends to be compatible with the existing bio-system of planet Earth, we can say that technology has crossed the threshold of biology and has become the same thing for which it was often accused to be destroying it. Technology destroys nature and thus becomes nature.

It only appears to be contradictory, but isn't.

reply to post by psychederic

In effect, the network was thinking out of the box, producing new and coherent knowledge based upon its memories, all because of the carefully 'metered' noise being injected into it. From an engineering point of view, this is quite phenomenal: a neural network trains upon representative data for just a few seconds and then generates whole new ideas based upon that short experience. In effect, we quickly and economically create an engine for invention and discovery within focused knowledge domains.

This is exactly the reason they discarded your invention

What they want is obeying slaves, not inventive slaves.

They want to create a system which will be totally under control of one central.

They will never succeed, because there is such thing as Maxwell's Demon who screws their false belief in the fake Second Law of Thermodynamics

Weekend at Corpus anyone?

Just put some sunglasses on him and tie a string to his hand to make him wave and we can party like it's 1999.

Heads are supported by bodies. Pointing out evil is truly looking in the mirror without seeing yourself....because you're dead.



And now a PSA from Faith No More.....

Surprise! you're dead!
Ha ha! open your eyes

See the world as it used to be when you used to be in it
When you were alive and when you were in love
And when I took it from you!

It's not over yet
You don't remember?
I won't let you forget
The hatred I bestowed
Upon your neck with a fatal blow
From my teeth and my tongue
I've drank and swallowed, but it's just begun
Now you are mine
I'll keep killing you until the end of time

Surprise! you're dead!
Guess what?
It never ends...

The pain, the torment and torture, profanity
Nausea, suffering, perversion, calamity
You can't get away

It's not over yet
You don't remember?
I won't let you forget
The hatred I bestowed
Upon your neck with a fatal blow
From my teeth and my tongue
I've drank and swallowed, but it's just begun
Now you are mine
I'll keep killing you until the end of time

Surprise! you're dead!
Ha ha! open your eyes
Surprise! you're dead!
Guess what?
It never ends..

Peace

Originally posted by DangerDeath
reply to post by psychederic

 

In effect, the network was thinking out of the box, producing new and coherent knowledge based upon its memories, all because of the carefully 'metered' noise being injected into it. From an engineering point of view, this is quite phenomenal: a neural network trains upon representative data for just a few seconds and then generates whole new ideas based upon that short experience. In effect, we quickly and economically create an engine for invention and discovery within focused knowledge domains.

This is exactly the reason they discarded your invention

What they want is obeying slaves, not inventive slaves.

They want to create a system which will be totally under control of one central.

They will never succeed, because there is such thing as Maxwell's Demon who screws their false belief in the fake Second Law of Thermodynamics

Any system "under-control" of a third-density entity (average homo-sapien),
is 2nd density or lower.

In order for something to become third density,
it must be able to make it's own choices.

choice entities might be "controlled" by giving them goals to make choices about.
Like jobs and things like that, "picking a career".

Then fourth-density might be "controlled" by fifth-density,
by giving them wisdom, which influences the choices they make about goals they create themselves.
Things like morals or policies.

the method shifts appropriately,
with every step.

so in any case,
solid-state host bodies,
have much capacity for development.

There are the Animus,
which are a species of intelligent
non-dna based organisms.
www.wingmakers.com...


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Lowki- you rock as usual! As of late I am thinking that our Universe is just one CD, one computer simulation game of awesome intricacy. There are billions of others running too. I'm thinking that we leave this CD if we wish and go back into the computer or do we merge with the player of the game at the joystick/keyboard or point of integration-connection. Maybe at the big bang when the branes collide, a new CD or software program is being inserted? Before the singularity, physicists claim there is nothing. It occured to me that this was correct. Before the branes collide in that miniscule period of time there would be no transition of energy. But then they (the branes) collide and energy is transfered and the big bang launches another program. A new Universe being formed...a new game being slid in the tray...to play...Generals or Red Alert the size of the cosmos???

Originally posted by Klaatumagnum
reply to post by lowki

 

Lowki- you rock as usual!

Aww *blush*
I love rocks *hugs rocks*
Rocks also help support my laptop,
to keep space under for aeration.

As of late I am thinking that our Universe is just one CD,

I remember Unity_99 talking about it as a DVD, lol

one computer simulation game of awesome intricacy.
There are billions of others running too.

infinite amounts.
though subsets are countable.

I'm thinking that we leave this CD
if we wish and go back into the computer
or do we merge with the player of the game
at the joystick/keyboard or point of integration-connection.

Well you have your soul,
some of which is in a geometric memory storage area,
where life expectancy is infinite.

come here (universe) to play games.
To occupy time, have fun,
"learn" so can have more complex fun.

Maybe at the big bang when the branes collide,
a new CD or software program is being inserted?

At a mind.

Before the singularity, physicists claim there is nothing.
It occured to me that this was correct.

which singularity?
well If we go for age of the universe,
if we linearly extrapolate the current acceleration of universe.
It's about 6 or 7 septillian years old.

that might also give enough "time" for geometry to have developed from nothing.
Though who knows, many star beings claim it timeless,
so therefore can't really ascribe time to them.

I do agree the zeroth entity be nothing.

Before the branes collide in that miniscule period of time there would be no transition of energy. But then they (the branes) collide and energy is transfered and the big bang launches another program. A new Universe being formed...a new game being slid in the tray...to play...Generals or Red Alert the size of the cosmos???

look at it as more of a fog.
Like a nano-fog, or quantum-fog.
We are in a quantum-fog and generate our experience from it.
Based on things that we remember.

The ankh for instance, I call such a "god-vehicle".
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ed415ca07079.png[/atsimg]
The stem is knowledge or past-experience.
The center is hadit, or the now-experience.
The circle is nuit, or possibility.
The wings are of the imagination.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b0e597997fd3.jpg[/atsimg]

The circle (hadit) is red, as it is the physical self,
The wings are yellow and blue, as it is choice and intuition or the imagination.
The stem-phallus is white, as knowledge is finite of the father. 1111...
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9431affe8417.jpg[/atsimg]
The top- is dark, as possibility is eternal of the mother. 0000...
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c22148e7596c.gif[/atsimg]


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So what can you do?
Write programs, or "magic spells"!

Can modify your knowledge or beliefs (white, infinite 1/0),
by the wings of the imagination (choice yellow 3, intuition blue 6),
to redefine where you be (awareness, red 1),
within possibility (dark, eternal 0).

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/aad48ea4e557.png[/atsimg]



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I am sure this is going to sound silly, I have never talked to anyone but my sisters about it, but could this be a part of it all?
A few years ago they closed the public rest stops between Crescent City CA and Arcata CA and between Crescent City CA and Grants Pass CA. Now these were both beautiful upto date clean places very nice but the signs said renovating.
When the Hwy 101 one closed they had huge dumpsters out there and a chain across the entrance and exits and what looked like gaurds parked in front of the entrance and exits. They sayed closed over a year and when they reopened they had not changed hardly at all (what went in the dumpsters?) and the one between Grants Pass and Crescent City we passed many times did for sure have gaurds in front of the chains and orange flags, (my husband joked it looked like we would be shot if we tried to sneak in) when they reopened there was nearly no change but there are antennas of various shapes and sizes now on the water tower. It just made no sense any of it. Since then people have come to visit me and have also found it closed. off and on they both (actualy 3 one has a E & W lane stop) have been closing for no reason.

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IgnoranceIsntBliss, thanks for all the work you did to post this thread!

Really excellent, thought-provoking info that explains a lot of what we're seeing. Just scary as Hell. I thank God I did NOT have children.

Astroved

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Simple: it mind controls us. I didn't get to writing the summary of mind sciences like I did the others, but current projects in the mind sciences have us handing over total mind control to the machines. I think the Mind Control was even my biggest section of links.

Mind control is slave conditioning. Includes:
Emotional conditioning (all emotions are conditioned).
Ideological conditioning (all ideas are conditioned).
Projecting (all emotions, ideas and will are projections).
Result: Reactive behavior, easy to control through associative triggers.
Project ongoing full steam for at least 5.000 years (known recorded history of which we are so "proud").

Idea consumes us. All products of work belong to the Idea (Technology), never belonged to workers (Marx was wrong). Idea survives, we perish. We waste our lives on serving the Idea (Projection - Big Brother - call it what you wish, it's the same).

Never have time for yourself ("Home - work, work - home, that is all I know" - lyrics from a song).

Never feel good when nothing to do. Feeling useless (bad slave)... etc.

It is interesting how Hitler's Aryan race is totally about good slaves: dutiful, loyal, industrious, obeying, disciplined, proud of being "good slaves". The other nations were called sub-human, because they didn't have such "qualities" of excellent slaves.



The bottom line is: We don't possess technology (ideas or emotions) it possesses us.

Keep an eye on it and you will see how it works.




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reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss


this is quite wierd as i found an old science and technology book from the 90s with a section devoted to this type of thing, therefore its not that secretive as it was not only being looked into but news of this was reported to the public as long ago as 1998 (in this case - probably a while before)