The Truth Behind The ET Conspiracy.

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He was then taken to another room where he was briefed about the flight he was about to embark on. He was told he would be going up in ZBW4, a craft that had apparently been fitted with anti inertia equipment. He was told that the B4 was not like the B3, it didn’t travel as quickly and that the inertia system would keep him safe at the speed they would be travelling, apparently around 7000 Mph. The B3 was apparently capable of up to four times that speed hypothetically.

Terry asked where they were going and this is where he was told he was going to the moon, the dark side to be precise and that he would be up there for around three months to a year. He mentioned at this point he was nervous and a bit worried. I asked why and he simply told me that I would have had to been there.

He explained to me that the B4 looked nothing like the B3 and that while the B3 was triangular and large, the B4 was smaller and was a simple cylinder. It was metallic and resembled the fuselage of a commercial aircraft, if you took the wings off and flattened the nose and tail.

He was moved onto the craft with four other men, all of which apparently ignored him which he found strange. He describes the interior as being pretty cramped and that the seats were not very comfortable as they were made out of what seemed liked aluminium and canvas, he mentioned they were like deck chairs. He explained that the rest of the interior was pretty bland but did mention a symbol painted onto canvas pads that were attached to the walls, he described it as being a picture of a circle with a triangle inside it.

Before long they were on there way which he says was terribly jerky for the first five minutes or so and then he heard what he described as a slight whirling whistling sound. It was at this point he describes feeling like he was in a really fast elevator. He also explained to me that he had not seen any pilots or had seen the cockpit, presuming there was one.

Terry says it took the best part of an hour and he says it was the longest hour of his life. He says he experienced quite a violent shake and the whirling, whistling noise subsided. He felt a jerk and was moved what he thinks was sideways. He mentioned that there were no windows for him to observe anything from which made for a very boring trip.

Your figures for the trip to the moon in the B4 craft don't just add up, they are way off the mark. Travelling at around 7000 mph, you claim it reached the moon in only an hour. I don't think so!

The fastest mission to fly past the Moon was NASA's New Horizons Pluto mission. This mission had a speedy launch, rockets powering the probe to over 58,000 km/hr to give it a good start on its long trip to the outer Solar System and Pluto. Although this is impressive, it's worth keeping in mind that New Horizons was not slowing down to enter lunar orbit (like the Moon-specific missions), it was probably still accelerating as the Moon was a dot in its rear view window. Still, it took eight hours and thirty-five minutes to cover the 380,000 km distance.

Nice fictional story, but that's all it is.

How Long Does it Take to get to the Moon?
www.universetoday.com...

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Originally posted by pjslug
reply to post by cee420

 

I gave you a star for your post because I liked what you had to say, even though I disagreed with some of it. But there was one thing I really disagreed with, and makes one wonder if Tesla was really in his right mind:

“Not at all,” said Dr. Tesla. “The aeroplane is fatally defective. It is merely a toy—a sporting play-thing. It can never become commercially practical. It has fatal defects. One is the fact that when it encounters a downward current of air it is helpless. The “hole in the air” of which aviators speak is simply a downward current, and unless the aeroplane is high enough above the earth to move laterally but can do nothing but fall. “There is no way of detecting these downward currents, no way of avoiding them, and therefore the aeroplane must always be subject to chance and its operator to the risk of fatal accident. Sportsmen will always take these chances, but as a business proposition the risk is too great.

He certainly got that one wrong, didn't he?

Well ..at the time of his comment ..i believe Tesla thought his "flying machine", what we call the UFO, was going to get mass produced, and if that would have happened then the aeroplane would have only been "a toy for the boys", like sport cars etc ..something you'd fly just for fun.

But the motor and oil industry and their banker buddies ( the illuminati) saw that they'd loose alot of money if the "flying saucer" would get in to the hands of the public, so they buried it ..and Tesla's Free energy-inventions as well.

So, yes ..i believe he was quite in his right mind, making this comment

Peace.

Originally posted by JackHill

Originally posted by DrJay1975
reply to post by hornum

 

I am still interested in hearing an answer to my question if you please.

YOur father passed away in 1996 and while working for the government he lived with a day drive of the White mountains. He had a son born in 1974. Terry has been to the moon, had a house on top of a mountain, worked with your father, beat cancer twice, and took a vacation to hawaii, and enjoys surfing. For a high level government operative how hard would it be to identify these people. Especially terry. I mean he went to college with someone else working on the moon. LOL. Terry and his highranking officer friend who smuggled all of this stuff to him both attended the masonic lodge on the moon. Seriously do you really think if your story were true the government couldn't discover you and these people and snuff you all out?

Of course they can be easily tracked down. But have you seen anything close to evidence on this thread? The most reasonable explanation is that this is all a lie, either OP is lying or his "source" (if it really exists) is lying to him for some reason. In any case, those who obviously "know" don't bother and that's why hornum is still posting. If his story were true, Terry could represent a very dangerous potential leak and TPTB would intervine soon enough. That didn't happen so far, so they're convinced that there's nothing to be worried about what hornum is posting here.

Dismissed by pure and simple logic.

Well you are right. There is no evidence. The story repeatedly contradicts itself. My BS detector is screaming. He also dodges the tough questions and provides a casual reference while in story mode. My question will never get answered because it's the one thing we know to be true. Based on the info provided, hornum, his father and terry could be readily identified by the government. And hornum refused to do this and that for fear of terry's identity being compromised. By directly addressing the issue it destroys his credibility. So I fully expect a reference in the next Asimov story, err I mean interview with Terry.

Here let me start it.

"Terry looked quite pale as he prepared our coffee today. I don't hav emuch time so I'll be brief in my writing today. His eyes were red and weary. He looked like he hasn't slept in days. Whats the matter Terry, I asked him but I knew that "They had gotten to him."

The freemasons are evil and the god of light his name is arghhhhhh. *Agents burst through my door and tazer me as I type my notes from my latest encounter with Terry* I wake up in a dark room, and in the corner is Amechtubloadar chief emissary to the God of Dark. He tickles me until I pee and then he touches a 9 volt battery to the urine giveing me an unpleasant tingling sensation.

Oops I'm out of time. Very busy. Will type more later. I feel sorry for you if you don't believe. Peace!

This is the base that terry flew from

wally


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I enjoyed the thread and would like to say thank you for posting it.

The 1940's seem accurate for me judging from other sources. Thats when the secret nazi space program became fully operational.


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Originally posted by Copernicus
I enjoyed the thread and would like to say thank you for posting it.

It's certainly been an interesting, if somewhat inconsistent piece of fiction.

Hornum, I can't say for sure if you're telling the truth but after reading every single one of your responses, I can see you're taking into consideration everyones perspectives. That puts you right up there with Hidden-Hand in term's of vicariousness.

And to all the trolls demanding evidence, if we the people are dealing with an extreme amount of lies from the government, then why cant we keep an open mind to the possibility that something extreme is happening?
There is no way to prove a well thought up lie. Especially if its a lie thought up by a power that governs everything in your life.
I don't need evidence on a conspiracy site to know that something sinister beyond our senses is going on when there is PHYSICAL evidence of it going on right in front of us.

If anything, Hornum's well articulated story just opens my eyes more and doesnt surprise me in the least.

and as days go by its becoming ever more obvious that dark forces are controlling/manipulating the masses, they've got the majority brainwashed because they're the masters of illusion. if we're dealing with the work of the god of darkness I would expect this, and then some.

And taking into consideration that there are being of light intervening in the escapdes of the dark god, and his minions; I would assume that the billion + sacks of semi-intelligent meat they have under their control are tainted by that darkness and intervening without first analysing the delicate situation would only end in an unfortunate loss for the good guys.

they (the good guys) haven't done anything obvious yet, why you might ask? because they aren't stupid. Theres not enough of us that have proven we're on their side, yet. its only a matter of time before they show up. When certain events unfold, the curtain will rise, and the dark ones brick facade wall will crumble behind it, revealing enough truth to wake the majority up.

I hope anyway, but from what i've heard theres little time left and a lot of work to be done.

Originally posted by Ezekiel_1:3
And taking into consideration that there are being of light intervening in the escapdes of the dark god, and his minions; I would assume that the billion + sacks of semi-intelligent meat they have under their control are tainted by that darkness and intervening without first analysing the delicate situation would only end in an unfortunate loss for the good guys.

Why do there always have to be dark forces at work manipulating the human race? Jesus Christ, man! Humans don't want to take responsibility for any of their actions.

There are no dark gods, there are no light gods interfering... it's just US here on planet Earth! When will you religious nutcases wake up?

Terry is going to tell me something like “Your father loved you” or something to that effect I hesitated and heard him out, but what Terry was about to say was much more than that.

He told me that he was a mason and that he knew things only people dreamed of...

HELL YES! At first I thought you were going to go on about how aliens don't exist and we live in a bubble but this is pretty good.



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I always like to play the image of the last battle between gods of angel and demons whenever i listen to intense orchestra music. But two questions:

1. Proof on how Gods of light & darkness exist instead of ETs.

2. How and why does humanity play in all of this.
- is light good and dark evil (sometimes those masons like to trick us! lol)
- do we really have to chose between good and evil like the bible says
- bc ur friend has time travel, does evil win like the bible says
- do ya'll want evil to win?



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Whose to say that Nazis don't rule the world right now?

Do you REALLY know who's behind the curtain of the world drama?

What I am proposing is that if Nazis had this tech, instead of using it to blatantly play out a war that may never end and exhaust resources, they could've just as easily faked defeat with the help of certain political/religious leaders and used the tech to get what they really wanted from these leaders.

For example, if all conspiracy theorists were to join together and find advanced tech while forming a group that was big enough to potentially cause world war, what would we do with it? Is death and destruction really our goal? Or would it be a deterrent for the world to focus on while we get what we really want from TPTB? This is how corporations nowadays work. They just switch names as they destroy nations. Remember Amaco?

I'm not trying to say that this is a simple allegory we live in. I'm not trying to say that the rabbit hole only goes six feet deep. But possibilities stack in favor of crazy # brewing...

Originally posted by prepared4truth
reply to post by Peloquin

 

Whose to say that Nazis don't rule the world right now?

Do you REALLY know who's behind the curtain of the world drama?

What I am proposing is that if Nazis had this tech, instead of using it to blatantly play out a war that may never end and exhaust resources, they could've just as easily faked defeat with the help of certain political/religious leaders and used the tech to get what they really wanted from these leaders.

Do you really believe Hitler, easily one of the most ego-maniacal to ever gain power could even consider such a thing?

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I believe it's very possible. Nobody knows what goes on behind the closed doors of a person's mind. Ego-maniacal? Maybe because he portrayed himself in this way to move the plot. But Mein Kampf is not all there is to it...

Where have all the deniers of ignorance gone?! I mean really , we are on a conspiracy site , if proof were fully available it wouldn't be a conspiracy would it , it would be a fact. Keep n open mind.

As to those doubting that the nazis pulled a slieght of hand , I implore you to read up on OPERATION HIGH-JUMP , OPERATION PAPERCLIP and THE BUSINESS PLOT. The german-american bund , many elite families funding nazi germany.

How long will it take for you people to realize that America became a colony of the not so HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE which is germanic and highly connected to the papacy. The first nail in the coffin was the assassination of Lincoln , who was issueing debt free money through the treasury , not some pseudo private bank. Lincoln's greenbacks were contracted , sending all the money to the bankers , causing the post civil war depression. Their doing it again today , sucking up all money , collapsing the system to try to implement the rfid chip which will be electric money but really an electronic collar. The coinage act of 1873 , then the coup de grace; of 1913 the Federal Reserve. With the right to issue their own money and control their money supply , taken away from nations , having them resort to borrowing money with interest from the Holy Roman Empires money changers' central banks. Whole nations governments have now become beholden to them.

This is a secret many do not know. Many are fooled into thinking their governments print and issue their nation's money. Many are also fooled into believing governments don't withhold technological secrets and advances. They can't have a population with free energy , flying cars , warp capability , possibly even time travel running amok , they'd lose all their power. Some rightfully fear the maniacs among the serfs (you guys , not me) might destroy the world also.Yes you read me right serfs , wage slaves.

Now , back to germany , many forget that germany invented the jet engine , guided ballistic missiles(v1 and v2) and we didn't know about them until it was too late. Many do not know they had saucer shaped craft that actually flew using exotic propulsion;the HAUNEBU and VRIL , and the KUEGAL BAUELLS which most know as foo fighters. These craft were in development long before even ww1. Why were they not used in the wars? Do you people really think these wars were ever really about saving us or national sentiment , they were to enslave us. Mass depopulation , cover for extreme corruption and atrocities , stripping of freedoms and rights , dramatic power shifts and theft of other nations wealth are what they were all about. No need to show your ace(secret weapons). Notice , the men who financed each side , the nations that remained neutral and the results of both world wars attempts at one world governments. While the League of Nations failed The U.N is/was? on course to fulfill that goal. Such a world will not be pretty , it will be totalitarian and post human , freedom will be anhialated and replaced by total obedience to a man-god , empowered by secret/with-held technology and mysticism.

YOU should KNOW and not believe. And remember keep an open mind , give everything the benefit of the doubt , don't be so rigid in your paradigms in a world of illusion. What you hold as true today can be overturned as false tomorrow , so KNOW , take what I have presented and do your own research and investigating.

I'm not saying that the claims are false, but did anyone see the "stuff I like" part of his/her profile? It reads, "filmmaking." It gives me a reason to believe that this person has an imagination, is creative, etc. It makes me wonder.



ps. hornum, no disrespect, I didn't catch if you are male or female if it was mentioned.

Originally posted by Ezekiel_1:3
Hornum, I can't say for sure if you're telling the truth but after reading every single one of your responses, I can see you're taking into consideration everyones perspectives. That puts you right up there with Hidden-Hand in term's of vicariousness.

And to all the trolls demanding evidence, if we the people are dealing with an extreme amount of lies from the government, then why cant we keep an open mind to the possibility that something extreme is happening?
There is no way to prove a well thought up lie. Especially if its a lie thought up by a power that governs everything in your life.
I don't need evidence on a conspiracy site to know that something sinister beyond our senses is going on when there is PHYSICAL evidence of it going on right in front of us.

If anything, Hornum's well articulated story just opens my eyes more and doesnt surprise me in the least.

and as days go by its becoming ever more obvious that dark forces are controlling/manipulating the masses, they've got the majority brainwashed because they're the masters of illusion. if we're dealing with the work of the god of darkness I would expect this, and then some.

And taking into consideration that there are being of light intervening in the escapdes of the dark god, and his minions; I would assume that the billion + sacks of semi-intelligent meat they have under their control are tainted by that darkness and intervening without first analysing the delicate situation would only end in an unfortunate loss for the good guys.

they (the good guys) haven't done anything obvious yet, why you might ask? because they aren't stupid. Theres not enough of us that have proven we're on their side, yet. its only a matter of time before they show up. When certain events unfold, the curtain will rise, and the dark ones brick facade wall will crumble behind it, revealing enough truth to wake the majority up.

I hope anyway, but from what i've heard theres little time left and a lot of work to be done.

I have a problem with your post. YOu call people trolls because they ask for evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. What is happening in the rest of the world is irrelevant to this topic. We aren't talking about all of the sinister ongoings that you made reference to. We're talking about his story. Nothing else.

His story contradicts itself. And the only answer to some hard questions about keeping terry safe is that he's lying. But, it's an interesting story so some of us are trying to validate it or debunk it. Because if it was true it's important.

Free will. You seem to think millions are under the control of a dark force. It's an excuse. Rather than accept that some people are just bad apples or stupid, lets blame it on a dark force controlling them. And the forces of good haven't acted because enough of us haven't proven we're on their side? Cmon. The MAJORITY of the world are full of decent and honorable humans. There is a small minority of bad people.

There is no way to prove a well thought out lie you said. I assume you meant disprove. Actually there are ways, just not on a message board. Here are the facts.

1-Hornum says he wants to protect Terry's identity. He's given it away. So he's lying or ignorant. Given his pop supposedly had TS security clearance for decades I tend to think it's the former. But protecting Terry is a big deal. And he's done the opposite. So he's most likely a liar. This casts doubt on the balance of his story.

2-He's given information that was promptly debunked by himself. Then tells a story to explain it. 7k MPH ship getting to the moon in an hour.

3. He won't expand on any of his claims. Terry has intimate details yet Hornum won't answer direct questions which pertain to the science of some of his claims. Most likely because he doesn't have the scientiffic knowledge to perpetuate the hoax in that capacity.

4. Terry has information that could save the human race. But he won't come out. He's leaking the information to one person who's posting it on a conspiracy website. And Terry has proof, physical proof. He could prove the story true at anytime. And save the world and protect himself in the process. But he doesn't. Because Hornum's conversations with him regarding this topic don't take place. If you could save the world, wouldn't you?

5. Hornum says he has little time to post yet he wastes time talking about coffee. Half of his posts are atmosphere. Creative writing. He's setting the table.

The biggest problem with this website is people readily accept tripe like this. No proof is fine but there isn't any evidence. And all of this is 2nd hand anyway. It's heresay. Not even admissable in court. If Hornum and Terry are telling the truth they should be ashamed of themselves. They are allowing evil to run rampant when they can help stop it. But they don't. So if they are being honest, they are of low moral fiber. And you can't trust people like that anyway. So everything points to this being a hoax. I know some of you want to believe so badly that you'll cling to garbage like this. But cling to something real. Hornum does nothing but set back your search for the truth and make his believers look foolish.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

Although I hate this phrase, because it does not make sense, claims do need evidence. So nobody should be called a troll simply for asking someone to back up their claim. The "extraordinary evidence" part is what I have a problem with. Many claims have been thought to be extraordinary at first, then shown to be true over time. Some people these days are under the impression that if you can't conclusively prove something, then it is not even worth speculating on, which is the exact wrong attitude to have if you are looking for truth.

However, with all of that said, please provide some evidence as to what you are saying, because this all looks to be just a made up story. You claim that you want to protect the identity of the person that told you this, but you have given away more than enough information for someone "in the know" to identify the people involved. You claim that your source has physical evidence. He told you the story, so apparently, he wants the story to get out there. Yet he does not provide you with any of the evidence? You can't provide anything to back up your claims? That is simply far too illogical.

Well, hornum hasn't posted since July 28th, but has logged in regularly (I've been watching...) since then, including yesterday... Shall we take his silence to mean that his myth has been busted? Or if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, that he will never be able to provide any real proof so has decided not to say any more. Either way I don't expect anything more to come of this thread...


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I suspect he's been checking out the responses and sees the writing on the wall. If there is another response I expect it will be a goodbye and how it's just not worth continuing because of all the negativity.

Originally posted by Paschar0
I suspect he's been checking out the responses and sees the writing on the wall. If there is another response I expect it will be a goodbye and how it's just not worth continuing because of all the negativity.

Yes, that's how hoaxes always go. When the hoaxer doesn't get the type of attention he or she is seeking, they give that as an excuse and leave. It's the same old story that's been told over and over since this site came into existence.

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Come on Hornum... We are all still watching and hoping patiently that you will deliver... I for one have not given up on you yet... Don't let us down.