Why don't we all just leave?

reply to post by Alethea

I think it would be a step forward towards the goal of creating a society of the "awakened". Why would we want to immediately reveal the society's purpose right away. If that happened then of course it would be ridiculed. As of right now, there is no real place to move unless foreign islands in the middle of the ocean are an option haha.

Good idea, but maybe it would read like this in the press:

On what was recently a small uninhabited island, government officials today announced the discovery of a small gathering of people from all over the world, and what seems like a steady stream of even more people approaching the island in boats.
B.S. News sent our own Ted Talksumcrap for a direct on the scene report,

That's right Moronica I'm here with Frank Freedom and what youre about to hear, is a true story,
tired and disgusted with the way of the world and all that is wrong with it, this group of travelers, of contrarians, have all set sail for what they have called United Utopia.
First meeting on the internet and sharing their ideals and ideas these 300 strong willed but scantly supplied rebels of society have set out to create their own place in the world, sans any of lifes mass produced items or any of the worlds governments.
There's no power here, no running water, no financial structure and no support from any U.N. affliates.
One could say that going this primative must have been an act of abandonment of their respective home countries and governments, yet according to Frank, their collective self appointed leader,
they are saving themselves from countries and governments that have abandoned them years ago.
The group is diverse, and they seem to be heavily armed.
The standard bookends of intelligence agencies have compiled enough data to have this group marked for what they clearly are, terrorists.

And thus, your cause, any cause, any turning away, any different thinking, will be attacked, and the media will have you guilty and hung before any truth gets near sunlight.

[edit on 11-7-2010 by HappilyEverAfter]

Why make a thread that your not going to go through with?? I'm tired of seeing what people want to do... Why not DO? Thats like saying ET's are going to be here on saturday! Its not going to happen... We don't need a thread, we need a leader thats going to follow through with what they say!

BAM!

reply to post by CoachSlamYou


Because maybe the TC wants to discuss it. I find it interesting and ha e enjoyed the thread, and it looks like some others have too. No reason to discourage this topic.

HEA, I rarely laugh anymore, so your post was a relished bit of humor in these dark days. Thanks.

Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter

There's no power here, no running water, no financial structure and no support from any U.N. affliates.

Actually, I believe we will soon have those circumstances right where we are. These are the factors that will lead us into compliance with their schemes.

If an area is ordered to be evac-ed, all they need to do is cut the power. Then, code compliance comes in and your housing is condemned and your children taken. Now, see how easily it can be accomplished?

reply to post by Asktheanimals


I starred you on that. I don't know enough of the picture yet, either. And as for leaving and starting a revolution, folks, did you happen to hear of the Hutaree and what happened to them? Granted they made some real missteps that are painfully obvious in hindsight but do you think the government doesn't have its eye on ALL of us?

It was a huge topic of general conversation among the "Sheeple" in MD as a matter of fact. Here it is straight from regular Sheeple News, CBS www.cbsnews.com...

The Maryland ACLU sued last month, claiming the state police refused to release public documents about surveillance of peace activists. The suit claimed a state police intelligence unit monitored Baltimore peace groups that protested at the National Security Agency at Fort Meade in 2004

PEACEFUL members of some of these groups who had absolutely NO criminal records ended up on terrorist watch lists. Who do you think fought this injustice and brought it to light? Ordinary citizens doing ordinary things. (Normally I don't know what to make of the ACLU but this time they were certainly put to good use).

Get among them sometimes. Talk to them. You'd be surprised what ordinary people are aware of. Go to local news sources. The local community papers and journalists are still to some extent, free in the traditional sense of free press. As they are a part of the community and more easily held to direct accountability, they are less the voice of the corrupt than the larger corporate owned media. I think that's why they've been maneuvered into a position of always teetering on the edge of survival.

Anyway, if all I did was sit in front of my tv or my computer all day I would come to the conclusion we need to take up arms and storm the state and federal capitals/Capitol--for all the good THAT would do. But I get out and about and see people working and getting results. The trick is taking this kind of energy and effort and making it work on the large scale. THAT is going to be a fight against the Corporations and the major conspiracies we are talking about here all the time. If some of you think that is a fight that is going to be won by running off and forming a new colony, again, look at what we're up against with the surveillance and look at what happened to the Hutaree.

Personally I see the immediate battle as being against the tactic of divide and conquer. That's something we can win by mastering our own thoughts and prejudices. That's the first way to break free of the manipulation and see the real picture. Playing on our prejudices to divide us is where I'm currently seeing the biggest expenditure on the part of some larger force and where I'm seeing its biggest payoff. TBTB seem to figure if they manipulate enough of the news, pop culture, etc. to play on our natural tendency to break up and identify with groups, instead of as individuals contributing to the betterment of our country, they can get us to stop seeing each other as "We the People" and instead as different opponents to be fought or silenced or subdued. Male vs. Female. Gay vs. Straight. Religious vs. Non Religious, Religion A vs Religion B. Public vs. Police. And yes...Sheeples vs. Awakened. We dig these traps all on our own. TBTB just make the holes wider and put breadcrumbs leading up to the traps. Then we freely walk in to them.

As far as people breaking away and forming their own new societies, I think there has to be a profound inspiration from some source.

Has anyone here read "Anastasia" by Vladimir Megre? The books started a new movement in Russia- thousands of people left the cities and moved permanently to their dachas in the country to form ecovillages, based on the the thoughts of Anastasia. The story is that she is the last surviving member of an ancient Russian Vedic culture, with seemingly superhuman abilities.

There are many novel concepts presented in this book, and the question remains whether Anastasia is a real person, or a fictional character. Sort of like the phenomenon of Carlos Casteneda's books with Don Juan Matus.

reply to post by Alethea


Preaching to the choir Althea.
Electricity will be the key, nothing and I mean absolutely nothing happens without it in these current days and conditions.
No heat, blowers, cooling, pumps, refrigeration, lighting, radio, tv, computer, etc you name it, its done and over without Mr Ready Kilowatt.

reply to post by gwydionblack


Great Post. I have to say that since I started looking at ATS I have been more informed of Truths then so called conspiracy. The thing about ATS is that there are facts on here that are so important and once you realize them then you start to look at agreements that you made with yourself in the past.. like say that we should have a two party system for voting. Why did I make this agreement? Well because it was part of my domestication.. IE.. when I was growing up and could not think for myself I looked to my parents and my teachers to tell me what is important. They after all had been on earth longer then me and therefore they would understand better what Societies dream of a civilization was and what the rules were. So I believed in what they told me (they were only teaching me what they learned as children) and sometimes they were taught things that were just not the truth. Now as you get older and start learning new facts that other people do not see your natural reaction is to get upset.. then they can label you as a crazy. How do we overcome that? It is simple.. do not give them any reasons to doubt you. Here is how. I am working on a website that will only tell facts... No Opinions will be allowed as any opinion can spoil the truth of what the person is learning. I am not saying that opinions are bad and once a truth is learned then the persons natural reaction will be to come to a site like ATS and tell the truth and start a conversation about it... my goal is only to start with the truth, I would encourage people to talk about it in other places.. but these sites would be only for facts so they would have no way to label it in a bad way. I will encourage others to start websites that do the same. We will not have a name because a name is a noun and you can label a noun... We will be a verb.. IE.. that act of telling facts.. How on earth can anyone criticize that? They cannot. There might be other rules that could keep people from criticizing this action of telling the truth. Here is another one. There is no leader. Only people telling facts. Nobody to point to and say look what he or she did.. We are not a civilization, but acting locally to hopefully change the world in whatever direction the facts tell us to go

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reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


I can see it coming. Once the oil threatens to gunk up the nuclear power plants along the coasts, they will have to pull the switch.

Words & Actions:

Words-
discussions,
movie parties,
leaflets on the bus / slipped into library books,
posters,
websites, forums (*here/now)
speeches,
gatherings

Actions-

Notifying Legislators of desire for secession,
Notifying members of the World Federalist Movement ( www.wfm.org ) and their affiliates you are aware of them and intend to try them as Traitors in front of a jury.
Donate fed-res notes to community organizations that recognize one's inalienable rights.
Teach rifle marksmanship.
Close one's bank account
Become self sufficient,
Create "legal entity" invisibility (privacy)
Toil for alternative infrastructures to compete with Matrix control grid
Above all- be cordial, be solid, and RESCIND CONSENT

I also have to agree with what you’re saying. The problem is where are we supposed to start this new civilization?

4 years ago I also started questioning what was going on and decided to do something about it. At the time I was working had a house and family, car etc. and doing OK but I saw the system for what it was and decided to do what I could. I also felt if I could just find some others that wanted to do the same it would happen. I talked to my friends and family and they all said I was paranoid and “cracked”. Well, four years later I am no longer in a house in the city. I am also no longer married and no longer hanging with my “friends”. I sold my house and got a place in the country. I started gardening, chicken and rabbit raising. Started a small solar panel system and in general paying no attention to the rest of the “civilized” world. It cost me more than you might be able to do but in my experience it has been worth it. I just pay no attention to the rest of the world other than what I am legally obligated to do. Now that I have started doing this I find other people coming around to me and asking many questions. Now they want to start doing what I am doing and the interested ones are really catching on. So, imho, I think that just starting to do something (even alone) that it begins to snowball into exactly what I had in mind. So, I believe that action begun starts the stone rolling down the hill and before long it is an avalanche!

I would not try to organize or start something like the movement you are wanting because it may never happen. The only thing we can really do is start with ourselves and the rest will somehow come around. (or at least the ones worth having will)

Good post OP, I hope it works out!
TBH

reply to post by gwydionblack

I think most of us here on ATS are the ones that are aware and care.

Each of us possbily is hoping to awaken just one more inmate from this Matrix prision.

The sheer number of people that pop in and out of ATS on a daily basis shows that more and more people are becoming at least curious.

Humanity is waking up and when enough of us are awaken, Earth will change.

However we are in a race against "time". Will enough of us wake up and demand a end to this Earth being run by our current leaders and corporations, in the name of greed and power or will we allow TPTB, to press the button and ignite the oils and chemicals in our now flamable seas?

There is a race going on and all of us like it or not are in this race. The prize could be utopia on a grand scale, the penalty mass extinction for the entire human species.

If you have friends or relatives that you have not spoken to in a long time, you might want to give them a call, send them a note or email. Just saying I love you and mend your fences now might be a good idea, because I think time is not on our side.

Hope I'm wrong.

Where I live and work at nobody cares, nobody talks about the important stuff. I bought up the oil gusher (it was never a spill) at work and everyone just looked down at their shoes quietly until someone else brought up the movie, "Twilight" or "Dancing With The Stars" or one of those stupid reality shows, then and only then did people resume talking.

I also think there are multiple conspiracies going on and somehow they are all interconnected and I'de like to figure out what the heck is going on.


[edit on 11-7-2010 by ofhumandescent]

reply to post by gwydionblack


Excellent OP!

Many years ago I thought I was going to live the life of a Tibetan Buddhist monk (as a white, male American). I lived that lifestyle for about four years, but then, I recognized that I was escaping the real meaning of the human game. So I decided I had two choices:

take off and live in Montana with no electricity, internet, etc

or decide to get back "on the grid" and play the game of human life like everyone else.

Obviously I decided the latter.

Why does this concern the agenda of The Powers That Be?? Because they want to keep us in the game too - whether through religion, keeping us tied to money, or fear, or any other method - they WIN by keeping us as slaves.

To answer your OP...

WE CAN WIN TOO!! By following their agenda, sounds weird but what is so bad about one world government? The huge loss of control, privacy, and freedom but we keep all that if we still fight over religion, country borders and money. So we USE the elite agenda to bring about one world government, all the while paying close attention to the finer details.

We track those in power, we employ hackers, we engender spirituality and togetherness rather than separation.

THE END RESULT

The powers that be bring the world together and through diligence those of us who are in the know ensure that WHEN (not if) it happens that JUSTICE is served. That is the entire purpose - when the powers that be bring it all together we make sure they are also watched, accounted for, pay their taxes, and eventually we all live at the same level of peace, prosperity, technology, and AS ONE PLANET we step up to the next level.

It might sound fantastic or like a Utopia but is there any other way? Think of ourselves as all the people of ONE world and the rest will fall into place.

Reminds me of the Lone Ranger joke when they are surrounded by Indians and the Lone Ranger asks Tonto, "What are we going to do?" and Tonto says, "What you mean "we" paleface?"

Some of us suffer from a grand illusion here on ATS that "we" are a community of like-minded individuals who are equally astounded at the myriad of conspiracies and 'bad things.' In truth we live in our physical communities around the world as part of families and neighborhoods that have no interest in our collective paranoia and outlandish views on the state of the world or the truth in regards to reality.

Whenever I have seriously looked about somewhere else to go I come to the same conclusions: Everywhere else the taxes are higher or the standard of living is lower or the lawlessness makes it extremely risky or the language barriers are formidable. Plus you have to convince your family to go along.

There's no real place to go anyway. I suppose individuals can choose to cut themselves off from society to some degree by moving to a rural or isolated place, become more or less self-sufficient, if you can, and put yourself in a 'survivalist' kind of position. Nothing wrong with attempting that, but "we" won't be going with you. If you choose to keep coming back HERE, we won't even know you've gone. Unless you can teleport to a new world or dimension, you'll still be here anyway.

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


Who said anything about going primitive or not using any mass produced items? We can take solar and other technology with us and should. Of course we will have to take things from the society we are leaving until we are self sufficient. And we can still trade some. We are mainly tired of the BS that is forced on us by so called government and the sheep the support them.

reply to post by gwydionblack


I love the premise of your thread. I believe the changes are already in play. There movements of the people, distress of the corrupt, and average people questioning why it has to be the way it is or has been. Certainly there is an argument over money and how we should arrange our society. The battle over a social approach or a monetary worth approach wages on and I see this as the final struggle.

Whether one is for capitalism and corporate control (Freedom of Business from government regulation) or on identifies corporate control and freedom as a vehicle that destroys individuals; the points on both sides are moot. What matters in my mind, does one person believe a group of people should control the life sustaining, life giving, products of human achievement that benefit all humans? Is it right that a vaccine manufacturer can charge someone for the medication that could help them live, simply because that person does not have the means to give the manufacturer money? Does a hospital operating under the laws of a people, get to decide who gets medical care and who does not? Is it right for a person to live under a publicly funded bridge, but we cannot give them an apartment at the public expense? Why can't we? It is a matter of the design of our system. It takes money. While many of us would build a house for a homeless person, we lack the money and resources. Many of us would give our time and effort to charitable causes, but we lack the time and money to really make a dent. I profess that it is our system that is the cause of our issues. It is our blindness, and adherence to the rules of our system that bind us. For if you speak out against the system, the system will squash you.

I think we have already left my friend, yet we are separated by the distance between us. We live in a world within a world. Our world is emerging. No man can make a law that stops us from standing up for what is right, just, and which exemplifies our ideals. To live in peace and freedom is the goal. Any action taken against those ideals are a threat to the prosperity of the people.

I would like to add, I do not think there will be a violent revolution by those people that are awake already. No, the revolution will come when the sheep awake and realize the horrors and lies they were led to believe. The sheep will lead the revolution and then we can sit back and enjoy the show. Your anger will turn into a smile when you see shock and awe on the face of the masses, as they turn against their previous handlers. They believe the lie, so when it is exposed they will be the ones unprepared, they will be the ones who fight.

While I agree with most of what you said, I do not agree in physically leaving. Breaking away? Sure, but not actually moving our bodies to another patch of land. For one thing, we have no where to go as there is no asylum for those seeking liberty. Regardless of whether we break away by declaration or physically moving, before we do anything, we have to unite under one banner. We have to organize. Not one single movement has been successful without organizing. Before we could ever even imagine to change things for the better, whether that change is for our own benefit or the benefit of the world, we have to organize. Without organization, we have no chance of being a force enough to be reckoned with, which is what we would need to survive. There really is strength in numbers but only when those numbers are organized.

--airspoon

I love your passion of the matter. Iv been wanting to start an ORG called `American Civilian Army`. If MADD- mothers against drunk driving or the Catholic church can persuade the US government then an ORG that consisted of thousands of American civilians should also be heard. I would love nothing more than to see every old fart thats in office and not to forget Henry Kissinger and the Rockefellers riped out of their seats and put on trial for tresson and conspiring against the well beings of American citizens. Then after that maybe just maybe America would prosper. Until then my friend I fear they have taken every step to insure there vile plans will go off with out a hitch. I didnt believe the Devil exist untill I became political and reserched into what we call a Government.

reply to post by gwydionblack


Give me 3 trillion dollars. I will give you a warp ship. lol.

I'm not joking actually...