Show us ONE, just one UFO pic or ANY evidence that can be proven as evidence of visitation.

reply to post by OldDragger


wow, you sure are myopic. Propulsion isn't used to kill people. I'm sure you know that right? it's the warhead on the missile that kills people, thus propulsion is not the weapon so I am not contradicting myself. You're just trying to twist my comment convincing me you are not here for the exchange of ideas but to only march in your own parade.

What if I told you I saw two objects accelerate, stop, and turn in a 90 degree angle and repeat? Lets explain that with conventional wisdom ok?

reply to post by FlySolo


Yeah.Ok.
another bore.
I'm not here to explain your claims.
not interested, not in the least.

reply to post by OldDragger

What a cop-out. You're not interested in explaining it because you can't. And neither can I except that it MUST be a new propulsion system. You didn't get the memo cause its a secret.

So go ahead and call me a liar, crazy or whatever fits but I saw it and three of my friends. It exists and for you to denounce my claim and thousands of others proves you're not open to it. However, for the record, I am interested in your claims.

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by jpvskyfreak
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/cff29d8dd687.jpg[/atsimg]

Taken from the cockpit of a cessna 172 German pilot doing private flying near Big Bear Mountain in the USA.

Jpvskyfreak.....

That looks a little "iPhone-ish" to me.....

Here is a selection of UFO's that can be inserted into users' photo's with this app:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5dee8a3c2f8c.jpg[/atsimg]

Here's my thread about that:

Would The iPhone UFO App Fool Members of ATS?

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Hey again MaybeN,

iphones just came out, that pic was from 04. Why 'O why do you do your due diligence yet overlook the obvious? I'm becoming suspect of you

reply to post by FlySolo


Can you read?
I didn't call you anything, but boring.
Not my fault that so many of you don't get it.
Yeah cop out, whatever. Whatever you are going to throw at me havs allready been done. Don't care. Not at all.


[edit on 21-8-2010 by OldDragger]

Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by FlySolo

 

Can you read?
I didn't call you anything, but boring.
Not my fault that so many of you don't get it.
Yeah cop out, whatever. Whatever you are going to throw at me havs allready been done. Don't care. Not at all.


[edit on 21-8-2010 by OldDragger]

Hey listen buddy pal, can you read? I didn't say you called me those things, I said go ahead and say it. Big difference don't you think?

So what evidence do you want exactly? The head of an alien on a plate? How bout the dilenium crystals from the enterprise? Witness testimony is used as evidence all the time bro, why not now?

reply to post by OldDragger


the main reason for the gov not coming out with tech like this is because of of religion, if tech came out like this Q&As would have to happen and soon enough we would not be the only ones made and that would cause mass chaos.

that is the only reason why we all not know the thruth,,,religion!

Old Dragger, yup we will remember you at your darkest hour as well and be sure to put you on ignore and see how well God will judge you at the end of the next millineum = 1,000 years of peace to earth we shall return to bring. "Promise to keep"

The Enlightened Ones of Kryan Jan

RE: "Are alien Ebens (extraterrestrial biological entities visting earth)? what this person (Old Dragger is attempting to do is block out or ignore anyone who does not take his side of things; that is the wrong way to debate and it seems many will still not be able to accept that Ebens are also known by the Ancient Sumarian/Hebrews as "The gods of the heavens" who took place in the creation of man and created Christ at God's chosen right hand to be God's Only Son.

Does ET or Ebens have weapons or WMD? Duh? where do you think we got the hydrogen atom bomb from? Perhaps we should go ahead to thank God for the bomb eh? The UFO itself can be a WMD if used for self detonation or is improperly tapped or tampered with by outsiders.

Experts in Escatology now believe God used Eben aliens as angels from the heavens or "Hosts of the Heavens" who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. There is archeological evidence to support that these angels who were the Eben Greys actually used some type of nuclear or subnuclear exchange to destroy these Ancient cities as described in the Bible which would suggest it would be a pity of thing to piss God off eh!

if there truly wasnt ufo's and aliens. people throughout all time would'nt have been seeing them, writing about them, scribbling pictures and or photographing them.

Ive seen them many times, and i was a forward aircraft artilleryman. I know what is or Isn't, that's flying around day in and day out throughout this planet, just by a momentary glimpse. it was my job to recognize friend from foe and report everything.

I don't need the government or anyone else to tell me what Ive seen, or what i think I've seen.

as far as I'm concerned we are completely surrounded by extraterrestrial and terrestrials of an unknown species and an unknown agenda. but what i do know, is if they really wanted us to know? they would just come right out and tell us, whether we liked it or not.

quit trying to debunk and seek the truth, you'll be a better human for it





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well thank you very much ther Aliengenes: Interesting name there you have which reminds me of earlier types of Dulce Base at New Mexico which describes an underground facility containing 11 multiple underground levels housing the nine different species of the nine different worlds in our 4th dimensional parallel of the space and time continuim in which this 4th dimensional parallel is paralleled with a higher dimension that at the 5th parallel of time and space is eternal where the Kingdom of Heaven resides with the Father who is "The Almighty One" or simply God. Notice how the angels who I have shown to be desribed by Ancient Sumerian/Hebrew Tribes engraved on ancient ruins and stones today still contain the evidences of ancient dna molecules that link to Mars and other ancient planets at the 4th Parallel of Time and Space. This is the order of life and hiearchial pattern for all life forms from the microbial to the eternal states of heavenly angels of God. That's right, still today over 18,000 years old in N. America alone have discovered ancient remains of N. American Indians thought to be linked with Aliens/Angels/other humans or tribes (The unknown 13'th Tribe of the OT Bible) proving man's evolution on earth exist some 10,000 years before Noah's Great Flood proving that these higher dimensions exist and have existed with earth 26,000 to 52,000 years ago and earth at it's correct maximum age is about 250 million years old. For further research on ancient human DNA found or discovered from the universe research the rock containing microbial fossils from Mars also proving God is real, his angels are real, alien Ebens are real, spirits are real, and demons or other fallen gods are also real. See also author John Kuhles on Human/Alien DNA molecules discovered from the Universe and may also be contained in other things such as past comets and androids that have impacted the earth. This would also suggest not only does life evolve itself at the microbial states but also at the highest level of the angelical hiearchal states existing at the 5th Dimensional Parallel.

Yes that is right my friend, the angels of God exist with God at the highest level of the Universe, but this 5th Parallel is conjuncionate and opposite of earth because the 5th Parallel cannot exist with the 3rd Parallel of the earth or Mars. But, this does not mean there cannot be such things as fallen angels or demons who have been cast out of God's Kingdom to earth.

Because there is a 4th Parallel inside earth's 3rd Parallel with the outside universe holding the earth in a opposite magnetic and poling position of the 4th Parallel, at the 4th Parallel this poling reversal according to ancient alien archives will again be reproduced at the next 26,000 year Galactic Alignment causing earth's axis and pole shifting to occur at the Galactic Alignment of the earth, Sun, and center of our galaxy (The Milkyway) the celestial pattern will emerge Dec. 21, 2012 creating earth to become parallel with the universe and man will on this date marking man's 5th final ascension predicted by the Hopi Indians again be reunited with it's ancient past. Get ready people, we are taking you bac k home to be with us now. Launch off will begin at the tripling effects by the three eclipses of 2012 in which will also mark the date that will be your choices of fate. We are marching forward into the universe and we will all soon be going back to our home. "In my Father's house are many rooms..." (Matt. The Bible)

reply to post by Celestian Falcon


Like gold diggers. See one shinny thing and all worlds a gem? All must understand the universe. What is the earth? What is the universe?You must first understand your linage.This will in turn bring you to the path of understanding your destiny.
I will give you clue your not some entity in a chair on a keyboard.In reality you can transcend "all" present being.

Someone may have pointed this out already. If so, forgive me.

No, there is no publicly available photo or piece of video that is ironclad proof UFOs represent intelligently controlled "alien" craft. Hence the term "unidentified."

There's also no ironclad proof of anything theoretical in science. Hence the term "theoretical." But no one is shouting down theoretical physicists for proof of what their math tells them.

Why? Because it's the wrong question/demand. The right question for something theoretical is, "Where's the evidence?" I'm sure people aplenty have given you examples in this thread where UFOs are concerned. Still, you have to ask "Evidence of what?"

Something unexplainable doesn't necessarily point to aliens and yet that's where most of us leap. Maybe that's the real problem the OP has?

reply to post by Jeremy_Vaeni


Something unexplainable doesn't necessarily point to aliens and yet that's where most of us leap. Maybe that's the real problem the OP has?
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First of all the only "problem" I have is "believers" and their knee jerk dogma.
as for the rest, maybe some of you are catching on!

reply to post by Jeremy_Vaeni


ok, they are foreigners from a different reality

hence the new term(i just created) FFDR's or in short FDR's

I'm not sure the absence of good photos or video is proof we are not being visited. If they are smart enough to travel the universe to get here, I'll bet they can keep themselves from being revealed too.

Though, absence of proof is just that. No definitive proof yet.

We may have proof at some point that convinces you, and it may be even stranger than what is being proposed. Our planet is filled with a wonderful assortment, and I'll bet the Universe is no different.

reply to post by aliengenes


and seek the truth, you'll be a better human for it
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Now, there ya go!
I'm a bad human being now?
Read what you write people! You sound EXACTLY like fundamentalists!
You have FAITH, not KNOWLEDGE!
I suggest you check the Hoax section of ATS. How many are "alien" hoaxes?
Now I WONDER why that is? Hmmm Think hard guys!

reply to post by FlySolo


FlySolo.....

iphones just came out, that pic was from 04. Why 'O why do you do your due diligence yet overlook the obvious? I'm becoming suspect of you

Well yes dear.....

You're absolutely right dear.....

I stuffed that one up dear.....

Cheers
Maybe...maybe not