Wikileaks website to be abandoned

reply to post by TiffanyInLA

The best way for anyone to be safe is to hide out in the open.

No offence, but that is some very bad advice. Hide in the open? The government will just destroy you and make up some stupid excuse. Most will buy it and those who don't will soon forget anyway as soon as the next episode of their favorite mindless television in aired. If the public's opinion mattered at all or even if the public had an opinion, then hiding in the open might be a good idea but as it stands now, hiding in the open is one of the dumbest mistakes you could make.

Sadly, the government can easily manipulate the public and most of the very few who can see through the manipulation, just don't care. If anything were to happen, it *might get its own thread on ATS but that is about it. A few people will wind up arguing about it on ATS while the whistle blower is still dead or imprisoned.

In this day in age, if you need to hide, you better do it where nobody will find you. Out in the open is the last place you want to be, as the people have lost any and all ability to think on their own.

--airspoon



As for the OP, it looks like someone was paid off or corrupted. To be honest, I never really trusted wikileaks in the first place. Assange was too public and there is no way that any government wouldn't have been able to catch him, if they wanted him, especially whenever he travels or enters another country. As far as that Iraqi video that was released, sure I could see the government allowing it to be released. What harm did it bring the government? What good did it do for the public? What has changed for the good because of it? Most Americans forgot about that video a couple days after it was released. I knew this when I watched it and certainly I didn't expect anything to come from it.

While I found the video to be extremely disturbing, I just knew that it wouldn't force any kind of negative consequences on the government. You could literally release a video like that everyday for the next several years and it wouldn't matter. Until the people are able to think on their own and then care when they actually do, it really doesn't matter.

Now, if you had a video or damning evidence of government collusion with "terrorists" or bankers, it just may awaken more people but it still won't bring about wide-spread change. Those are the videos and memos that need to be released, because awakening more people is really all we can hope for at this point.

--airspoon


[edit on 11-7-2010 by airspoon]

It appears wikileaks is simply being attacked to much and assange wants to start over, considering Icelands stance on protecting whistleblowers i can understand why he's doing this.

What i find amazing is how quickly people have turned on wikileaks, despite all the things they released and the good it did. It reminds me of children suddenly having their chocolate taken away and so they hate the adult who has it.

Finally for those calling this a front for government, sorry but that makes no sense. All wikileaks has done is cause trouble for governments and corporations across the world and the reason they couldn't just get rid of Assange is because he was so public, his death would have resulted in mass outrage.

It's a sad day but wikileaks being down is just the start, we'll be hearing from Assange again.

"Disinformation campaign against WL is heating up. Demand full primary sources. Check bias. Riposte."
9:09 AM Jul 7th via bitly


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reply to post by Leo Strauss


The tweet you are referring to comes from 3rd July and refers to completely different articles

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They have NOT released any twitter about this at all yet!

Wikileaks has served well, any future incarnation will be even more vulnerable and less trustworthy.

The most shocking wistleblowers will be those who will eventually come forward and expose Wikileaks for what it actually was.

Stay tuned.

Latest from Wikileaks via Twitter

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WikiLeaks will NOT be abandoned. Don't listen to disinfo being spread! We'll issue clarifications soon. Should've done earlier.

Great news

I do a lot of freelance journalism work. I also have written about Wikileaks several times. I didn't believe this at first and i still don't. Luckily they like to dispel rumors quick. From their twitter page:

WikiLeaks will NOT be abandoned. Don't listen to disinfo being spread! We'll issue clarifications soon. Should've done earlier.

Link: Wikileaks on Twitter

I like how these rumors get started, but yet no one even tried to get a hold of anyone affiliated with them. I am glad I did.

Originally posted by marmitenews
reply to post by Leo Strauss

 

The tweet you are referring to comes from 3rd July and refers to completely different articles

twitter.com...

They have NOT released any twitter about this at all yet!

There is a new tweet posted 20 minutes ago:

WikiLeaks will NOT be abandoned. Don't listen to disinfo being spread! We'll issue clarifications soon. Should've done earlier.
24 minutes ago via web

twitter.com...

Originally posted by tetrahedron
Let me restate the question:

What ever happened to wikileaks history changing announcement?

O, right, ya'll are being played for fools for little morsels thrown down from a couple rungs up on the pyramid.

public opinion ended the veitnam war
wiki releases change public opinions against war with vid

dont trust anyone who is more war minded

did you see the doc of the counter intel operation aimed at demestic and abroad ip adresses that are wistleblowers

there paper required an active force to sway public opinion

if wiki works well then these corruptions will be exposed and crime and punishment will balanced between the political class business class and herd class

XPLodER

Latest from MSM

Wikileaks Not Quite So Abandoned After All

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The Next Web's Martin Bryant reported on the note and indicated that, at the time of the posting, there was no way to verify the accuracy of the report.

As well, it's not the first such condemnation of Wikileaks on the site—and, in response, the official Wikileaks Twitter has often jumped to defend Wikileaks itself from such so-called, "disinformation campaigns," as it describes them.

A Wikileaks spokesperson did get back to Bryant in regards to the alleged site abandonment and rebutted the idea that Wikileaks' recent registration of an Icelandic URL was indicative of the site's eventual switch to a new host facility.

"Hi Martin, we just read your story and can basically only make one comment: Do not feed the troll," said the spokesperson. "There is no substance to this posting at all. We will be issuing a press release soon I think in order to address this bull---- campaign once and for all."

A post to the official Wikileaks twitter feed at roughly 12 pm PST matches the tenor of the spokesperson's comments. While there's no indication yet as to what Wikileaks is actually planning on doing, per se, expect to see further clarification in the near future.

‘A real free press for the first time in history’: Wikileaks editor speaks out in London

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Julian Assange, editor of whistle-blowing website Wikileaks, has criticised mainstream media for not making proper use of “primary resources” and claimed that the site has created “a real free press (…) for the first time in history”.

Speaking at the Centre for Investigative Journalism Summer School at City University London on Friday, Assange accused the media of failing to consult the evidence available in its reporting of a 2007 US Air Force strike that killed two Reuters staff and several Iraqi civilians.

The attack became infamous after a video of the event was leaked through Wikileaks, entitled Collateral Murder.

Showing an alleged copy of the US Military’s 2007 rules of engagement hosted on Wikileaks, Assange said: “We had the raw ingredients you needed to decide right there. Why didn’t they use them?

“No one can be bothered to look up the term ‘positive identification’ to see what it actually is.”

He said journalism needed to work towards making more primary source material available online, arguing that this was the standard process for scientific investigations and it should be the same for journalism.

You can’t publish a paper on physics without the full experimental data and results, that should be the standard in journalism.

You can’t do it in newspapers because there isn’t enough space, but now with the internet there is.

Long live the new Wikileaks

Latest tweets from Wikileaks via their twitter account..

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*WikiLeaks founder reflects on media failures www.networkworld.com... & collateralmurder.com...

Assange spoke on Friday at the Center for Investigative Journalism at City University in London, marking one of his few public appearances since Wikileaks published the video, in which up to a dozen civilians were killed, including two Reuters news service employees. Assange said he is avoiding travel to the U.S. due to concerns that he could potentially be subject to a subpoena.

* A real free press for the first time in history'
blogs.journalism.co.uk...

Julian Assange, editor of whistle-blowing website Wikileaks, has criticised mainstream media for not making proper use of “primary resources” and claimed that the site has created “a real free press (…) for the first time in history”.

Speaking at the Centre for Investigative Journalism Summer School at City University London on Friday, Assange accused the media of failing to consult the evidence available in its reporting of a 2007 US Air Force strike that killed two Reuters staff and several Iraqi civilians.

The attack became infamous after a video of the event was leaked through Wikileaks, entitled Collateral Murder....

I am still convinced of Wikileaks integrity - I have seen nothing to convince me otherwise.



[edit on 12-7-2010 by marmitenews]

Wau Holland Foundation sheds light on Wikileaks donations

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Germany's Wau Holland Foundation has told newspaper Der Freitag Wikileaks receives no money for personnel costs, only for hardware, travelling and bandwidth. Hendrik Fulda, the foundation's second chairman, says around 30.000 euros have been handed out after receiving signed receipts. According to Fulda, most of the money has been mainly used to restore Wikileaks and keep the site up and running. The website had to be taken down last year as donations did not cover costs.

The Wau Holland Foundation is located in Guxhagen, Germany and was founded by friends of German hacker legend and computing visionary Wau Holland, who started the famous Chaos Computer Club (CCC). It is recognised as a charity under German law and has to file an annual report end of each September with the federal state of Hesse.

Fulda added the foundation wanted to include a detailed financial report on its website by end of August in reaction to the donations received for Wikileaks. Before receiving donations for Wikileaks, the foundation only governed 62,000 euro invested in saving bonds and a small lot of land worth 1,500 euro, meaning it only had around 2,500 euro of interest it could hand out each year.

As a charity accountable under German law, donations for Wikileaks can be made to the foundation. Funds are held in escrow and are given to Wikileaks after the whistleblower website files an application containing a statement with proof of payment. The foundation does not pay any sort of salary nor give any renumeration to Wikileaks' personnel, corroborating the statement of the site's German representative Daniel Schmitt on national television that all personnel works voluntarily, even its speakers.

In the last few weeks, Wikileaks has come under fire from various sides. Wired's Threat Level blog stated the site had fallen into disrepair, some anonymous writer of emails labelling him- or herself as "an Wikileaks insider) has had emails posted on Cryptome.org.

Wired's Threat Level blog is maintained by Kevin Poulsen, who originally reported that Adrian Lamo, a self-proclaimed hacker and journalist, had turned a whistleblower and Wikileaks source in to the police. Poulsen and Lamo, who happen to be acquaintances, were blasted for their action on Wikileaks's Twitter account.

Cryptome.org founder John Young believes Wikileaks is not a group of activists, but some sort of shady spy outfit maintained by the CIA, or MI6, or phantom menaces from Mars. He has posted emails on his site from said "Wikileaks Insider" stating Wikileaks will be abandoned and that Wikileaks' speaker Julian Assange had funneled off 225,000 euro of donations and similar rants. Neither claim has proven to be true.

Anyone interested can email the Wau Holland Foundation for detailed statements regarding its government of European donations to Wikileaks, instead of following red herrings.