SAS joins hunt for killer who's taunted police for five days

Just another update guys turns out since yesterday they have had a RAF Tornado flying over the area to take pictures. Now that really is over kill.

news.bbc.co.uk...

reply to post by kevinunknown


Probably a good test for the Raptor though....

"the Tornado GR4 is a world leader in the specialised field of all-weather, day and night tactical reconnaissance. The new RAPTOR (Reconnaissance Airborne Pod TORnado) pod is one of the most advanced reconnaissance sensors in the world and greatly increased the effectiveness of the aircraft in the reconnaissance role. Its introduction into service gave the GR4 the ability to download real-time, long-range, oblique-photography data to ground stations or to the cockpit during a mission."

reply to post by gambon


Very interesting thanks for the info didn’t know about that. Seems to be they are starting to go a bit over the top to find this one guy. How much money is this going to cost.

reply to post by kevinunknown


well the ground the gr4 covers in 30 seconds would take probably weeks as a focused ground search , so perhaps will save time and money, I also think that this is for psychological effect on the fugitive tbh.. though this may feed his ego or ID imo..., if he has caving equiptment and a plan then the search could get very tricky......

Wouldn't be suprised if he's either slipped the net already or he's topped himself.

I mean, he's like a cross between Johnny Rambo, Andy McNab and Bear Grylls.

This is just ridiculous!

reply to post by Freeborn


I too think thay are now looking for a body , OR the searchers think he has slipped the net....

I think he was out of that forest after they found that first fire. I wonder if the tent and duvet they just found was just a decoy?

Meanwhile back at the ranch, the police who do the press conferences appear to have made a bit of a balls up.

All week they have been real carefull to use the right wording when addressing Raoul Moat, "Mr Moat" this, and "Mr Moat" that. Ensuring he is made to sound as someone intelligent enough to see sense.

Earlier there was a woman police officer and that Detective Chief Constable Sue Sim sat at a table reading out a couple of cards from local kids to the police. One of them said something about hoping they "catch the nutter". Sue Sim started laughing, and now i think they are regretting such a mistake.

Any chance of Raoul Moat being co-operative after that will pretty much be gone now, not that he has been anyway but theres always a chance so long as you stay respectful in the negotiations.

Just a few words can change a person drasticaly, especialy when they have nothing to lose like this guy.

I worry that he'll gain support from sympathisers after comments like that too, there are so many wep pages popping up egging this guy on.

CX.

reply to post by CX


Hello cx , there have been a few little wording mistakes like that tbh , and , how can I say "unfortunate" public comments on tv etc , I do wonder if they really are mistakes , or very deliberately placed in the statement , eg the one from the child could be there to make him think of how his kids will see him etc , does he want to see them again ever etc would he rather live and see them etc

Im beginning to think he maybe getting help somehow. If its true that he has no military training, he seems to be very good at E&E. A strong interest in survival doesnt necessarily mean you can just go out and survive.

He may have good knowledge of the local woods etc. being a tree surgeon, but the woods would have to be vast to keep ahead of the people chasing for so long, we're not talking American type woods/forests here we're talking UK woods that may only cover a few square miles.

IMO he got out of dodge and is holed up elsewhere.

CaF

So us mere mortals realise that he's probably slipped the net.

So they maintain the costly presence of God knows how many Armed Police, Special Forces, Helicopters, etc etc to save face.

Shouldn't they be out there doing REAL police work and looking for him?

I accept that they have to be sure and maintain some sort of presence but come on...but then again, most of the police will be on triple time and times are hard.

i find this rather interesting:

"Moat's bewildered mother, Josephine Healey, 63, who is in poor health and on medication, , said he would be "better off dead". Speaking to the Daily Telegraph she said: "I feel like he hasn't been my son since he was 19 years old. He now has a totally different character, attitude and manner. Now when I see him I don't recognise him at all ... If I was to make an appeal I would say he would be better dead."

i've heard of mothers helping police find their fugitive sons on the promise of bringing them in safely. what kind of mother wishes this for her son?! kind of gives us glimpse into his childhood. she must have been a real battle ax, because she sounds like one now. it seems her shame runs deeper than her love. those are mighty sharp words for someone with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.

even if i were a serial killer or mass murderer, my mother would want me alive. she might beg me to turn myself in, but would never wish me dead.

on another note:
SAS. isn't tracking sort of their thing?
is this guy ex-SF or not?
karate alone does not make one a bad-ass.
poor girl might still be alive if she were allowed the right to arms.
poor guy might still be alive if he were allowed the right to arms.
the island isn't that big.

has a reward been posted for any information leading to his whereabouts? i read several articles on this topic and have yet to see any confirmation of a reward. apparently his own mother would turn him in free of charge. surely a few grand would go a long way with anyone connected to him.

reply to post by gravykraken


They're saying a £10,000 reward has been put up, and im sure crimestoppers (a phone line to report crime) usually gives out a cash reward for information received.

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by CX

 

Hello cx , there have been a few little wording mistakes like that tbh , and , how can I say "unfortunate" public comments on tv etc , I do wonder if they really are mistakes , or very deliberately placed in the statement , eg the one from the child could be there to make him think of how his kids will see him etc , does he want to see them again ever etc would he rather live and see them etc

Interesting point, but if the police are indeed trying this, it's the wrong way to play mind games with someone like that. They'd have more luck if the card has said something along the lines of, "hoping that he gave himslef up soon so the kids could feel safer at school" or something like that.

IMO the police making out that kids are calling him a nutter will do nothing more than make Moat care less about who gets in his way.

Put it this way, if you were in a heap of trouble, probably stressed with a head full, what would you say to someone who called you a nutter?

Freeborn, i too wonder how long they will keep this money draining show up for.

I wonder if it would be better to just stand down the majority of the officers and wait until this guy surfaces down the line....someone like him is sure to gloat about what's happened and someone will shop him.

Breaking on the BBC news, Rothbury residents are now being told to go home and lock thier doors.....and there has been an accident between two police vehicles.

CX.

BBC are saying that someone has been apprehended and are under the control of the police. No word if it's Moat or an accomplice though.

BBC's coverage is better than Sky's at the moment, they are right along from where this is going on.

CX.

Sky is reporting that Raoul Moat is holding a gun to his head.

CX.

Edit to say - police are negotiating with him, he has a gun to his head.

What happened to the big brave cop killer then?

CX.



[edit on 9/7/10 by CX]

reply to post by Catch_a_Fire


ah. ok. i did read mention of crimestoppers. thanks for the reminder.

10,000? not bad.

Just heard about the 10grand then news that they may have caught him.

No chance of a 'Raoul' over then!

Interesting read up till the last post before this one...
Comon somebody! put up some news!
is he dead?alive?captured?free?
its all up in the air now.....

Originally posted by stirling
Interesting read up till the last post before this one...
Comon somebody! put up some news!
is he dead?alive?captured?free?
its all up in the air now.....

Still negotiating....i'll see if i can find a live stream.

CX.

Latest Sky article...

Cornered Moat 'Holding A Gun To His Head'

Police are in a confrontation with wanted fugitive Raoul Moat and he is holding a gun to his head, Sky's crime correspondent Martin Brunt says.

"A man matching Moat's description is on the riverbank and police marksmen are negotiating with him," said Brunt.

"Police are in confrontation with the suspect and I am told he is holding a gun to his head."

A police tweet confirmed: "A man who fits the description of Raoul Thomas Moat located in the riverbank area in the vicinity of Rothbury. Police currently negotiating."

Another witness called Paula also says Moat is holding a gun to his head and is being watched by police snipers from nearby woods.

CX.