SAS joins hunt for killer who's taunted police for five days

reply to post by Yissachar1


The media are only reporting what family members and others have said about him. I've only watched the BBC reports of this and the video's of the ex's family telling their side.

I think some people are looking a little to deeply in what is a simple case of an unhinged man who hates police and then jilted by his ex going over the edge.

In fact, my GF's ex was very similar in behaviour (and even looks like this lunatic) when we got together. Jealous and possesive, he was making threats, sending threatening messages and even at one point was outside my house with an axe. No conspiracy there, just a nobhead with a grudge.

reply to post by kevinunknown


Lol i joined the idf as a jew... Look at my post history to get tat story... Old nrws...

reply to post by Yissachar1


Sorry you must excuse me but when people say on a thread “I am ex.... (insert random military unit/intelligence agency” i like to find out the whole story before i take any notice of anything else they have to say. So please details.

I dont think hes had any training but maybe alot of practice and a mind for survival very different things.

I could be on the run from cops for weeks and more if i wanted to and had days to pre plan.

Maybe a B.O.B and some food packs on his journey route maybe a couple of shelters and spots he knows about already.

Justing saying i dont think he is specially trained but like minded.
Hope they take him out with one shot to the head but if that is what he wants maybe shoot him in his arms and legs and send his ass back to jail.

reply to post by stumason


Dude you re alive... THATS the difference... To be honest my first wife cheated on me when i was on ops abroad and we also had kids... And throughout my deployments every enemy was him and i did my job... When i came home he was bouncing my son on his shoulders and i wanted to kul him hence i understand raul... But i did not act on it and went on to have daughters with a jordanian goddess...

I see myself in this guy, yet he is wayyy above average in e and e... this guy is a pro and sorry to say but it takrs one to know one,

Most units in the British army do E & E exercises at some point or another, even the ones that don't really need it.

Some are longer than others, some have more of a "hunter force" than others, from your own staff and mates chasing you to other units doing the chasing. (Not fun when you get caught )

I worked down in southern Germany for a year and we had some soldiers from different units come through the LRRP school there, the E&E was rough. Not sure if they still use it though.

Back to Raoul Moat though, he wasn't ever in the forces so he won't have been taught by them. That said, theres enough ex-forces who teach that sort of thing nowadays, sometimes alongside bushcraft and survival courses.

CX.

[edit on 8/7/10 by CX]

reply to post by Yissachar1


Hmmmm a patriotic Jew who marries a girl form Jordan how very Romeo and Juliet, suppose stranger things have happened. I am still curios for details regiments, rank, were you served that sort of stuff. Also where do you stay in Israel

Well the SAS spent nearlry a whole year trying to shoot-capture-film the big wild cats loose in Britain, after the dangerous anaimals act ment many were let to go by previous keepers who wouldnt get a license and therefore wild.

No Joy.

But much sightings and proof of them before and after this event.

Many many Cats and big ones, months in hide outs looking for them no joy.

Many many sightings, footprints, droppings, films and farmers proof with dead animals.

1 Man hundreds of square miles, probably same odds if he is as good a outdoor survivalist as he seems to be, the seasons on his side, if he knows anything about hunting fishing and concealment will be a tough job. If he was where they thought the infra red of the choppers would have found him by now at night.

IMHO he has moved away from that area, and only 20 miles or a nights good Yomp puts the odds in his favor, and makes the search area huge for them, ie 20 square miles, each day passing from last known place.

His need imho for some type of action or to further externalise his anger and therefore making a rash and interactive move will be his capture, not the SAS or police or they would have him already.

Kind Regards,

Elf

Originally posted by zeetroyman
Sky news press conference live now 19:11pm..

Police spokesman, "The SAS are not involved".

SO19 are on location so i dont really see a need for the SAS as well.

what is shocking is that footage of the swat teams combing the area in dense scrubland all have there weapons down, acting quite casual about the whole situation. If he is there he will get the first few shots off if they dont keep there eye on the ball.

Personally i would be in pure swat mode combing this area, barrel is pointed exactly where im looking.

Lets see if they are and just dont want to confirm it.


[edit on 8-7-2010 by zeetroyman]

I wouldnt fret too much about that. The police often do quick mock shots to give all the journo's something to take back to their editors so they can crack on with the real search without fear of 100 photographers following their every move. I'm sure them officers are alot more alert when they're really searching. I know I would be

Not really a conspiracy. There was a spree killer here who had the SAS onto him.

I think he was at 6 stars and he couldn't save the game or take his car to the Pay 'n Spray.

Originally posted by Whine Flu
Not really a conspiracy. There was a spree killer here who had the SAS onto him.

I think he was at 6 stars and he couldn't save the game or take his car to the Pay 'n Spray.

At times like that your only option is a tank

As others have touched on, If the SAS are involved, I should imagine they will be providing operational advice (I think the SAS send people to oversee prolonged CO19 operations and I think trained CO19 when they were created), as well as providing a tracker, who with experience of fieldcraft, will be able to tell them to the best of their abilities where and if, someone is leaving traces of their presence in the woods.

Somebody touched on how Sky News had employed someone who was ex-forces who had a knowledge of fieldcraft.

It's highly possible the media, and not the police have employed the man because the police have already called on experts in this field.


If I was to speculate further, and it is just speculation, The SAS may also be proving close protection support to the top Police brass who are exposing themselves to the media, and to Moat's attention, stuff like being their drivers, specifically because of their training and experience in techniques that would enable a quick vehicle getaway should the vehicle carrying top police brass come under attack.


Channel 4 News reports that 4 associates of Moat are independently adamant in their belief that Moat is not even in Rothbury, and that the car find, the camping site was a diversionary tactic to enable his escape.

When you see that 4 people have been arrested (Not the four associates Channel 4 mentions I believe) in the belief they have helped Moat, you wonder how far he is being helped, and who by, and for what interest, considering the high stakes if caught helping him.


The SAS do training on their selection courses where people applying to join are made to go on the run, to see how long they can evade capture by Hunter teams.


Apparently, the motive being for the pursued, beside from the chance to join the SAS, is if caught, they are made to feel like prisoners of war as realistically as possible!


So this manhunt would provide an ideal exercise for the SAS, they may take part in the hunt, but if they find him, would probably leave it to the armed police to take care of.


Going back to Perry Mcgee, Sky News' survival expert, his father was indeed the ex-SAS man who hunted down a man on the run in Yorkshire in the early 80's when he offered his services to the police.

The story goes that the man on the run in that case had failed an SAS selection course, and went berzerk because of it.

The ex-SAS man tracked him down on those Yorkshire moors right down to a pile of rubbish he was hiding under. He saw a pair of feet, and informed the armed police.

Realising he was surrounded, the man fired a few shots at police, before killing himself.

[edit on 9-7-2010 by Regensturm]

First off, aparrently Moat said he was only going to kill coppers.
Then the police or whoever, offer up a £10,000 reward for his capture.
Then suddenly, the police say they have received information that he would be prepared to kill anyone.
Good grief, the guy is almost certainly more than aware of what's going on via radio or something, and now he has a price on his head!
Suddenly the police 'Have information' (ie Moat contacted them) and now no-one is safe!
What the fudge did the police expect after putting a price on his head?!?
Sheer incompetence and endangerment of the public.
Can you imagine how many people might be trying to track him themselves for the sake of £10 grand?
Good grief...

Originally posted by Lucius Driftwood
Good grief, the guy is almost certainly more than aware of what's going on via radio or something, and now he has a price on his head!

On that line of thought, perhaps he stole the police radio of the policeman he shot?

Considering the number of people being arrested in connection with the case, who knows how aware he is.

[edit on 9-7-2010 by Regensturm]

Emmm Guys maybe he just has a wind up camp radio to keep up to date.

Wow, kind of strange how some members are implying that less effort be placed into catching this guy just because his threats have been directed at policemen. I guess some people feel more at ease that a psychotic gunmen, who has killed and plans to kill more, is on the loose because he has selected cops as his main targets...

[edit on 9/7/2010 by Dark Ghost]

reply to post by Dark Ghost


Yeah that’s what some people seem to be getting at don’t really understand it either. But it has been confirmed by the police that he poses a threat to the wider public.

Anyway just to update. Police say they have found mobile phones that he was using, apparently they found tree. So I am starting to think there is more premeditation here than we thought and that is helping him to survive he might be have food stashed away. Who know’s eh.

reply to post by kevinunknown


yes they have released CCTV footage of him in a shop
and WHAT USE IS IT?

NONE just fodder for the masses to lap up on the news.
just footage that no doubt was sold to the highest bidder.

get rid of the CCTV really they are just an invasion of OUR privacy.

apparently police have surrounded a national trust house. think they may be closing in now.

edit sorry I dont know where that came from, i think I was listening to the radio and put a few different stories together, sorry. Good job i'm not a reporter

[edit on 9-7-2010 by woodwardjnr]

reply to post by stealthyaroura


CCTV is not in use here, this guy is meant to be in the woods and as far as i know they haven’t started putting up CCTV in the woods. If you have some sort of hate towards CCTV feel free to go start a thread about it.