American Interests (do you even know what it means)?

It seems people are still fouled by the word "American interests".

The reason for this thread is to bring this issue to light once and for all.

You can't justify every crime of the US empire and say, "hey, they are just protecting their interests, which every country does". The simplest answer is that you don't kill, torture, rape, genocide, invade/occupy and terrorize to protect your own interests, only dictators do that, only imperial dictators do that who are trying to protect their territory/important territory with important resources.

First thing to realize is that the US is an empire, it has borders from all the way East, to all the way West. People are ignorant of that fact also, people don't even believe that Japan is part of the US empire, they forgot history, they forgot that Japan was nuked and surrendered then the US came to invade/occupy it.

That being said when America refers to American interests it is ultimately talking about its territories, for example, America is in Saudi Arabia to protect its interests, that is idiotic the least because Saudi Arabia is part of the US empire.

It is protecting its territories.

Do you think the US will go inside Russia and protect its own interests?

The places where US needs to protect its interests are those places where the people are sick of the US governance. Arabs are one of those people, Iranians were one of those people who gained their independence through a revolution.

The empire needs to be identified fully, and its borders needs to be drawn accordingly so that when we speak of the US, we don't speak of it on false bases. If the bases of a discussion is false, the whole discussion won't go no where, and that is exactly how the empire gets away with all its crimes.

Just like Israel (supposedly the Capital of US), claims it doesn't occupy Palestine and at the same time it does occupy Palestine, this is how you avoid accountability.

Another example is the fact that Israel still hasn't said anything in regards to its nuclear weapons, Israel doesn't deny it, nor accept it.

Have a think, these are all to avoid accountability, when are we gonna catch up to their trickery?

Great post. I know that America is an Empire and everyone needs to realize this. I think it goes even deeper than what your saying though. I think American Interests is more like BANKER Interests. These international bankers such as the ones in charge of the federal reserve and the IMF. Those are ultimately the people in control. They don't represent any county and aren't trained in combat so they cant build an empire and conquer everything them selves, so they use us. They aren't even on our side, they fund both sides of the wars yet they still use us to build their empire. It makes me RAGE!

American interests...are political, economic or military, same as any other country. It's nothing really complicated. We (the US govt) do what we feel we have to to protect them, further them or solidify them. Most of the time not in agreement with others or the US populace.

I'm OK with America doing whatever it takes to protect their "interests". I might not condone murder or be able to torture someone, but I expect my leaders to make sacrifices for the good of everyone and do the things that I couldn't do.

Heck I'd be fine with Obama going out and eating a bunch of puppies on national TV if it would make America great and my life better. I don't even mind that America keeps secrets from us. For instance, why would I or anyone need to know who killed JFK? It would only make things in America worse. I'd even go so far as to say that it might be better if we knew even less.

Originally posted by Mayson
I'm OK with America doing whatever it takes to protect their "interests". I might not condone murder or be able to torture someone, but I expect my leaders to make sacrifices for the good of everyone and do the things that I couldn't do.

Heck I'd be fine with Obama going out and eating a bunch of puppies on national TV if it would make America great and my life better. I don't even mind that America keeps secrets from us. For instance, why would I or anyone need to know who killed JFK? It would only make things in America worse. I'd even go so far as to say that it might be better if we knew even less.

OMG
if you have no need to know anything other than what is spoon fed
to you, then why are you on ATS ?????

Probably no different than when I hear...Russian interest, or British interest, or Chinese interest in the news. It's just a way of saying a countries influence and power in a region of the world.

reply to post by Mayson



That's the spirit.!
We hold these truths to be self evident.

American Interests is a euphemism for National Security. Some may not know what National Security means. It isn't the obvious meaning of the security of the populace of the United States of America. If it were,then no citizen would be subject to loss of rights under the patriot act and no citizen would be a target by CIA for assassination.
It is to ensure the current operation of government and policies both foreign and domestic. This is my nutshell definition. If you can state it better please do because there is not definition in gov docs.

American Interests can be easily found. Make a database of political contributions by those involved in major corporations and then parse with highest to lowest, Pres of corporation and all employees included, that will determine the highest level of American Intrerests for the current administration

reply to post by LittleSecret


I can tell you what it does not mean, any more...

It doesn't mean supporting and defending the ideology written and established as this nations national charter. It does not mean doing the same, against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

It doesn't mean any thing...


That, that my fellow ATSers is the saddest part.
That people could willingly forget, forcing upon themselves their own ignorance.

Why, why do "We the People" continue to allow "alleged" elected officials, to further and continue making the same disastrous decisions as they have been?!

Self ignorance, my life is half empty syndrome.

Today American interests are plotted by corporate lobbyists and secretly pork belly politicians.

Deepest pocket wins.

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[edit on 6-7-2010 by Amagnon]

Roflma. mayson is a troll. Nobody can think like that without being paid to post or just want to make disharmony.

I have no doubts that American Interests is why we are fighting terrorists that in our birth as a nation would be our brothers.

I keep looking for that spark that will start a fire in the heart of Americans.. We keep looking as a whole in this website. The system that is in control is about nothing of value but fiat currency and trying to leverage that flimsy philosophy into enough strength to make this nation bow to its knees.
Put it to a vote. With full disclosure... Start planting your gardens, buy cows and get back to the basics or go into slavery to the global bankers. No conspiracy now..It is self evident to most.
We Americans just need a spark that will ignite the flame of Independence from the Bankers once again.

sorry i wromited

reply to post by LittleSecret


awesome post!!!

very well put.

i, for one, understand the point you're making and have been coming to the realization that my interests, as a common citizen are DEFINITELY NOT coinciding with American Interests, as you describe!

there is no denying that we remain hooked on not only fossil fuels but imperialism!

and i suspect that the greater portion, if not all, of that imperialism is driven by our addiction to oil.

i'm just curious, are you also an American? it doesn't matter to me, because truth is truth and it's global in this case!

Originally posted by Mayson
I'm OK with America doing whatever it takes to protect their "interests".

including sending your son or daughter overseas to risk their life in the quest for oil reserves?

Originally posted by Mayson
I'm OK with America doing whatever it takes to protect their "interests". I might not condone murder or be able to torture someone, but I expect my leaders to make sacrifices for the good of everyone and do the things that I couldn't do.

Heck I'd be fine with Obama going out and eating a bunch of puppies on national TV if it would make America great and my life better. I don't even mind that America keeps secrets from us. For instance, why would I or anyone need to know who killed JFK? It would only make things in America worse. I'd even go so far as to say that it might be better if we knew even less.

That is why they say, ignorance is a bless.

Second line.

reply to post by queenannie38


No I'm not an American, I'm an Afghan, this information is well available in Afghanistan, everyone talks about it in gatherings, I have been to many gatherings in Afghanistan and Pakistani refugee camps.

That was in the past.

It is odd that Afghans have a huge illeterate populace, but are well informed in regards to world politics.

You're deemed to look more closely at odd things, and here is what I found out when I looked at it.

See the Afghans have been the victims of the empires for decades now, that being said, unless you are effected negatively by something, you will not bother looking in to it, and wouldn't bother finding the truth.

Here is an example:

I'm OK with America doing whatever it takes to protect their "interests". I might not condone murder or be able to torture someone, but I expect my leaders to make sacrifices for the good of everyone and do the things that I couldn't do.

Heck I'd be fine with Obama going out and eating a bunch of puppies on national TV if it would make America great and my life better. I don't even mind that America keeps secrets from us. For instance, why would I or anyone need to know who killed JFK? It would only make things in America worse. I'd even go so far as to say that it might be better if we knew even less.

He doesn't condone murder but if murder brings him wealth then it is OK, as long as he stays ignorant about it so that he may go to sleep at night.

reply to post by LittleSecret


His post is the post of one conditioned in the public educational system and all of the media of this age. He simply reports what he has had filled into his head without thinking of consequences.

They, TPTB, have been ingenious in attacking school systems of education. They could not impact the family values injected into the Person's life. Hence so many suicides in the armed forces involved in front line activities. The trauma of "Doing their Duty of obeying orders" conflicts with doing what is right as taught by birth and nature.

This is why I believe we as a nation of the USA is bound for armed rebellion. Values of the citizens versus the values of corporation can not live side by side.

If the media were doing their part and showing truth on the nightly News there would be tens of thousands marching on Washington DC. Without the "News" they are a sleeping giant.

reply to post by boondock-saint


I enjoy ATS the same way that I enjoy reading a good science fiction book. It might not always be true, but it sure is entertaining.

reply to post by awakentired


I don't think I'd consider myself a troll. I do however, on occasion, enjoy playing "devils advocate". Sometimes I don't even believe the things I say, but do it in the spirit of getting a nice debate going. Challenging people's beliefs sometimes forces them to discover new truths.

I wish I was getting paid. I'm an out of work computer engineer who's currently staying home to take care of my two kids.

reply to post by queenannie38


I wouldn't want my own kids to go to war. Heck, I wouldn't even want them to join any branch of the armed forces. However, I don't have a problem with there being soldiers sent somewhere to fight. It's their job. It's not like they were conscripted. Should soldiers continue to collect paychecks and not be used? Should I have collected paychecks while I was in school all those years and then get mad when asked to work?

Suppose that oil was the reason for the conflict in the Middle East. I definitely would be grateful that the soldiers murdered people over there if the choices were between having oil and keeping us fed and safe and widespread starvation and death.

reply to post by LittleSecret


Is there anything wrong with not condoning murder and not being involved in any way, but reaping the benefits of it?

Originally posted by awakentired
reply to post by LittleSecret

 

If the media were doing their part and showing truth on the nightly News there would be tens of thousands marching on Washington DC. Without the "News" they are a sleeping giant.

I think that you helped prove my point and might actually agree with me. Would you like it if there was unrest at "home"? If everything were disclosed and there was widespread rioting? Does "doing their part" equate to ripping a nation apart?

reply to post by Mayson


Your reply is meaningless. Such is the fate of those that choose the path of least resistance. The human being is electical energy controlled by a conscious being covered in flesh and blood.
As an electrical engineer I will say that electrical energy, current, will seek a path of least resistance.
When an human decides to use that path it is usually antisocial. The human deciding this path is just row row row your boat gently down the stream....life is but a dream.
This is not a dream it is a nightmare. When I have a nightmare I win because I choose to win and in my dream world I am King and make my own rules.
We have a shared reality and in this reality there is consensus to be considered before an event occurs.
You want to play devil's advocate because you want to be the evil that you pretend. I will have no part of it.
If you have learned anything. Learn this You are what your heart is filled with. Contrary, greed, lust, love, empathy etc.

Pick yours and be it. You want to lie in a post of mutual friends unmet just to "stimulate" discussion .. Shame on you.

May you live in interesting times, and die a boring death

reply to post by Mayson


I don't think I proved your point, turning a blind eye is wrong.

If you have the capability of learning the truth, and you don't, you are part of the problem.

Let me elaborate,

A. "you know someone is being raped, but you refuse to know and report because it would bring harm to your family"

B. "you know someone is being raped, but you refuse to know and report because you get paid by the rapist and you don't that pay to get be cut"

Do you see the difference between A and B?

[edit on 7-7-2010 by LittleSecret]

reply to post by Mayson

Is there anything wrong with not condoning murder and not being involved in any way, but reaping the benefits of it?

Reaping the benefits of murder is oxymoronic. Murder is an abrogation and derogation of another persons right to life. When one person's right is abrogated and derogated all people loose.

Let's be clear, honest, and up front about this, you are undeniably condoning murder, and in the most reprehensible and cowardly way. You are advocating that other people murder so you may "benefit", and clearly what you view as a benefit is the victimization of other people.

Read your "science fiction" Mayson and sit back and be a passive aggressive soul who confuses sloven self involvement with self interest. It is not in anyone's self interest to condone murder, for as surely as those you condoned being murdered are capable of being murdered, so are you.

What is in ever person's best interest is the security of inalienable rights for every single person on the planet. Such security will never be gained by condoning murder, and most assuredly will never be gained as long as there are murders.

As to the O.P.'s observations; The United States of America has shamefully sacrificed its own ideals in the name of empire building. Empire building is antithetical to the Constitution for the United States of America, and relying on so called "leaders" to protect that Constitution is antithetical to the ideals set forth in that Constitution. All Americans are guilty of the atrocities created by empire building, and either we accept responsibility for that and do what is necessary to correct the problem, or we continue down the road of all empire builders, which is the road to ruin.

Let each person build their own personal empire, and let them do it accepting full responsibility and liability for their actions. To allow groups, states or nations to build empire in our names is unacceptable, and has only led to the creation of corporations that have insisted they have no legal liability for the atrocities they perpetuate. The blood is on all of our hands, and screaming out damn spot, out is say, will not wipe away the blood. Accepting responsibility for that blood, and acting in a way to correct the problem is the only answer. All else are merely solutions, and solutions only handle symptoms, never the cause of the disease.