U.S. Concentration Camps

reply to post by OnTheDeck


The Federalist papers discussed many of these possibilities over 200 years ago. These were the legal papers, founding the legal understanding which led to the ratification of the Constitution for the Several States.

www.foundingfathers.info...

The Federalist 26 answers a great many questions on the powers of the congress over the military, and the problems of an expanding military. Likewise, the Federalist 44 discusses problems with paper money, and limitations on the powers of those states. The federalist 26 also discusses what the duties, and the recourse is if that military grows so large as to pose a threat to the public.

The federalist 57 discusses the alleged tendency of the new plan (the constitution) to elevate the few at the expense of the many, and how to recognize it, and how it might be brought into being.

The federalist 84 discusses, and reiterates the limitations on the proposed Federal Government, and the reasons behind them.

prohibition of Acts of attainder, and ex post facto laws, and establishment of the right to the writ of habeas corpus along with the trial by jury were the greatest safety net of this country.. and they're being eroded daily.

Only between 4-10% of all felons now ever go to jury trial. Attainder is ignored as being archaic, punishments written in law, without recourse to a court, restrictions written by act or decree, limitations on the rights of any people (or all people) without recourse to court of law and juyry.

Juristic nullification, as well, has been under assault to the point of disappearance. The Military Commissions act has actually created a situation where habeas corpus no longer applies, and ex post facto legislation is rapidly becoming a 'corrective' norm, in spite of the broad prohibition.

At this time, one can be taken from their home, the property seized, on suspicion, and one can be held, indefinitely, tortured, and disappear, without ever knowing what one's charges are, or any right to attorney, or even to a writ of habeas corpus.

The broad mingling of the Legislative powers with the executive has further implications, however. The legislative powers are nondelegable, but have been delegated anyway, outside of constitutional bounds.

Further, the Supreme Court no longer decides on constitutional or common law grounds, but what is politically expedient at the time. There is, further, a distinct movement in the Federal government attempting to disarm the people. This, as well, was addressed in the past.

We are not a democracy, and were never intended to be so, we were a representative republic, but are we still represented? WHen 94% of the bills pass the senate with no vote, no discussion, and often not really even reading the bill, are we still represented?

www.youtube.com...

We've a problem in this country, and a storm is rising. Echoes of that storm come out of time from the blood of patriots.

And who are we, should we continue to remain ignorant of the facts?

Can someone post google map links to some of these locations? I'd like to see how long they stay up, and I'd like to have a closer look. I scanned all around Palmdale and there are numerous places beside the water facility (head east on Pearblossom HWY to where it takes a turn south, then east again and there it is) and there are multiple possible sites that could be what is described.

Can someone be more specific, an address or a google map marker?

thanks

First, I would like to say I gave up reading this thread back on page 5 or 6, so if theres anything new or pertinent, please offer it, and accept my apologies. Thank you.

I cant wrap my head around why the government would want to jail so many of us? What good would it do? And, much like the UFO conspiracy, we cant seem to get decent photos of the locations, or a loc for them to check them ourselves.

Lets say hey claim Martial Law. Find. Dandy. Splendid. Are they expecting, on the whole, half of us to resist?
Only thing I can think is we're overpopulated, but I see no evidence to that, although I have to admit, I'm not an expert. If you are please drop your credentials, and give us some information.

I have an open mind, and I think things through, much like everyone here, but I cant fathom why they would want to put us in camps. America has a history of fighting the good fight, and its going to be hard to spin this so that were the good guys.

Take a deep breath, count to ten, and look clearly at this.
I'm not saying that its not happening. I just dont think its logical.
Whats the benefit?






[edit on 11-10-2008 by kthulu]

reply to post by kthulu


The reason is religious extremism. Depending on your belief system regarding the NWO jailing us means one of two things.

1) They jail us for work labor and to process us, figuring out, over time, who are the true worshippers of lucifer and releasing them back into society and conditioning the rest (those who are not exterminated).

2) The draconian overlords have ordered the containment of all humans (they may not necessarily know why) prior to either reconditioning, extermination, or simply as a food store.

I am more inclined to believe situation one is the more accurate.

Its just a matter of time, before we all die. The end is near in the United States. We aren't fools to believe its happening, we are fools to believe that the United States and its hard working citizens would never see an end to it all. May God have mercy on our souls. We helped free the Jew's during the Holocaust, who would come to help free us? Martial Law and its workers.......AMERICAN. Looks familiar right?

Dear friends, better to believe that those are secret bases for concentration camps than Not. i am Lebanese living in Sweden unfortunately, and almost everybody here is very Racist and colder than Ice, except of course for my Swedish husband. Those extremely Evil and dangerous people have the money & all the time to think and plan to exterminate not only the Jewish people but also Asians, Black, Africans, Mediterraneans, Latinos, Arabs & Muslims, and this time without failing. We should all of us unite against them!

What can Area 51 and other facilites do for our safty in our future. Meaning, beside Area 51 and facilities being interactive video game they can become anything we want. It takes team work to make Area 51 and facilities part of our live, instead of talk.

Lots of comments and lots of people with their own personal opinions. I suggest anyone who reads the article and comments should keep an open mind as there is certainly a lot of fact and fiction floating around. Based on many true facts and figures I have stumbled across, I can certainly see some very hard and disturbing times ahead of us, unfortunately. I can also assure you, there will be absolutely nothing any of us can do about it aside from maybe delay the inevitable.

Why is it inevitable?

Because people (that's you and I) choose to lock ourselves into our own little world. What we are doing right here and now? We choose to ignore "bad" things that happen around us. If we don’t ignore it, then we simply forget very easily.

I don’t know how many of you payed any attention in your history lessons. WWII is a perfect example of how we chose to "ignore". Then when evil hit us, it was too late, everything had been perfectly planned and manipulated and our enemy was too powerful to easily stop. The only reason the “ultimate” plan that caused WWII did not eventuate was because certain countries refused to comply. In addition, appropriate technology had not yet been invented/implemented.

We are now back at that stage just before WWII broke out... with that same master plan still strong and ready for fast, decisive implementation. It is only a matter of time before it happens. Critics, I welcome your criticism and possibly even abuse for this post. Please come back in five years time and try and backup whatever criticism you may post against my comments here today. Have a nice day.

Originally posted by kthulu
First, I would like to say I gave up reading this thread back on page 5 or 6, so if theres anything new or pertinent, please offer it, and accept my apologies. Thank you.

I cant wrap my head around why the government would want to jail so many of us? What good would it do? And, much like the UFO conspiracy, we cant seem to get decent photos of the locations, or a loc for them to check them ourselves.

Lets say hey claim Martial Law. Find. Dandy. Splendid. Are they expecting, on the whole, half of us to resist?
Only thing I can think is we're overpopulated, but I see no evidence to that, although I have to admit, I'm not an expert. If you are please drop your credentials, and give us some information.

I have an open mind, and I think things through, much like everyone here, but I cant fathom why they would want to put us in camps. America has a history of fighting the good fight, and its going to be hard to spin this so that were the good guys.

Take a deep breath, count to ten, and look clearly at this.
I'm not saying that its not happening. I just dont think its logical.
Whats the benefit?






[edit on 11-10-2008 by kthulu]

If martial law is called people will be unruly. What better way is there to control? Control through the fear of imprisonment of you and your family members. Control the anger, dissent and rage against the government by giving something them else to worry about. Whether or not they can live the rest of their lives relatively free or stuck inside a box. I for one know that if I see my unruly neighbors get dragged into camps, I will follow any order and support any politician if it meant I could protect myself and my family from being imprisoned in a uninhabitable setting for a unknown amount of time.

-Ign0RanT

reply to post by Byrd
hell yeah, if anyone thinks that a true amercian will lie down and give up, they are sorely mistaken. Yes, there are alot of sheepeol, but more who love this country,its history,lore and customs as torrid as it maybe. and as crazy as it sounds everyone....things are going to be bad...alot of us will die at the hands of our own government and tratiors we have called fellow amercians

reply to post by Off_The_Street


OK, so there were 3 that you couldn't find. Pray tell, what are the millions of black coffins Ordered by FEMA and stacked up around the facilities going to be used for? Burying oblong objects that just wouldn't otherwise look good in a landfill?
Wake up!!
Thes camps exist.
Why do you take such effort to disprove the existence of these camps, anyway?


[edit on 28-10-2008 by saturnx311]

Understand that covert operations require deception. I will not waste time here but provide an insiders perpective. Some facilities, will in fact, be fake. We do this to twart the general public and create doubt. In most applications it is masked through the use of an alternate legitimate operations to conceal it's true nature.

Your cue is the use of armed military personel. No civilian facilities will be protected by any branch of the US Armed Services without the facility clearly stating the same. If a area is so guarded then consider what is being protected.

Railways are proven successful in moving heavy loads and large qualities of material; or personel; without distruption. The general public can stop a big rig (semi-truck) but would have great difficulty stopping a train. It is also a form of transportation not available to the general public on a normal bases.

The US can, and will, enforce M-Law when the conditions are favorable. The US presently has the ability to effect and/or create natural disasters to a degree of catastrophic proportions. (search HAARP).

enough said for now.
cseekr

Heads up on these great camp get aways... 2 in southern california are being used to hold illegal hispanic families that were swooped up in northern california due to a so called gang raid. I actually saw video of them down there and some news stations have it archived. They made a big deal about it because when they where getting ready to leave they saw a group of three kids (about ages 8-10 from looks of them) being hustled behind a building by a guy dressed up in army gear and holding a BIG gun..
Not sure if they still have the video but will check some local ones and get back to you.