The Atheists Nightmare

reply to post by adigregorio


Too funny. I have had many a Mormon in for some drinks and a cool place to sit. I have made some decent friends that way. Like you, I let them know up front that they have an uphill battle to say the least and chances of success are slim to none. I always enjoyed chatting with them though. They did not always have the answers but when they did not, they admitted it to me. I do enjoy a spirited discussion about religion with people willing to do so on a realistic level. Threads like this and posters like Randy are pretty entertaining in a whole other way though.

reply to post by WolfofWar


I suppose this is the question post you would like an answer on? I can only vouch for what I know I've heard and seen and the scriptures are very clear and do not deny anyone else at all hearing, that is how Paul first believed and have only heard one other guy say such a thing and vaguely at that on another site years ago, but this is not an absolute of salvation, meaning having to hear His voice audibly, how many does the scripture say believed by Pauls testimony and so on and so forth, these answer best on murder-

know that no murderer has eternal life in him.-1John3.15

what can a man give in exchange for His soul-Mark8.37

He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.-Is53.9

but protecting the defensless and those afraid to speak up is another thing

But I will defend my house against marauding forces.-Zech9.8

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.-Eph6.12

"Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen:
to loose the chains of injustice
and untie the cords of the yoke,
to set the oppressed free
and break every yoke?
Is it not to share your food with the hungry
and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter—
when you see the naked, to clothe him,
and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?
Then your light will break forth like the dawn,
and your healing will quickly appear;
then your righteousness will go before you,
and the glory of the LORD will be your rear guard.-Is58

reply to post by K J Gunderson


you are definately cracking up-LoL

In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.-Heb1

the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises.-Heb8.6

And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.-2Pet1.19

reply to post by No King but Jesus


So yes then, if God told you to kill somebody, you would?

Just outright, yes or no. Please, it's a real simple question.

reply to post by WolfofWar


so if you had someone break in to your Bride's house to ??? brandishing a weapon what would do?

reply to post by K J Gunderson


almost forgot this little tidbid-

"See, I am sending an Angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.-Ex23

Originally posted by No King but Jesus
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

you are definately cracking up-LoL

You do not know the half of it.

In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,

So you are a prophet then?

2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

I was not at the meeting about who is heir to what but I am not sure if you know this but Jesus has not even been a rumor in 2000 years so "these last days" is stretching, dontcha think?

3The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.-Heb1

But God will smash the heads of his enemies, crushing the skulls of those who love their guilty ways. The Lord says, "I will bring my enemies down from Bashan; I will bring them up from the depths of the sea. You, my people, will wash your feet in their blood, and even your dogs will get their share!
-Psalms 68:21-23

the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises.-Heb8.6

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted.
- Leviticus 26:21-22

And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.-2Pet1.19

For I will send into her pestilence, and blood into her streets ... and they shall know that I am the LORD.
- Ezekiel 28:23

2...3...4

Aaaaaaaaaaaand
Can you feel
The love..
To...night
It is where
We are

It's enough
For this
Wide eyed wanderer
...
That we got this faaaaaar

And
Can you feel
The love
Toniiiiight
How it's laid to rest

-Tim Rice "The Lion King"


Edit to add: Really hit both "and" lines as you read in it in your head...or next to your head as the case may be.

[edit on 14-7-2010 by K J Gunderson]

Originally posted by No King but Jesus
reply to post by WolfofWar

 

so if you had someone break in to your Bride's house to ??? brandishing a weapon what would do?

EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!!!!

He did not ask what you would do to defend your family. He simply asked if you would kill JUST BECAUSE YOU HEARD JESUS TELL YOU TO.

You just had to twist that completely out of context instead of answering.

Originally posted by No King but Jesus
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

almost forgot this little tidbid-

"See, I am sending an Angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.-Ex23

Cool, let me add

"No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord."
-Deuteronomy 23:1 ESV

I know this is a bit off topic but I wish they had created a religion on the "Kamasutra".....that would have been totally awesome. Its not too late now even.

[edit on 14-7-2010 by Leonardo01]

Originally posted by No King but Jesus
reply to post by WolfofWar

 

so if you had someone break in to your Bride's house to ??? brandishing a weapon what would do?

I'll answer when you answer. We aren't talking about defense. We are talking about God saying " I COMMAND YOU TO KILL THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES FOR THE SALVATION OF YOUR SOUL AND ALL OF THOSE ON THE EARTH."

Just answer the question, yes or no. Would you kill, NOT in an act of defense, but in an act of first strike, on an unarmed man, on a man who did nothing to violate you personally, if god told you to. If God spoke in your ear like he did at that bar, and told you that the bartender needed to die for his sins, and you needed to stab him in the heart, would you kill him.

No more bible quotes, no more counter-questions, just a Yes or No

WOULD YOU KILL IF GOD TOLD YOU TO?

reply to post by K J Gunderson


ah but you do er ah er ah errrrr-

"Make an atonement cover of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. And make two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. Make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends. The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover. Place the cover on top of the ark and put in the ark the Testimony, which I will give you.-Ex25

For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.-Matt24.27

For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."-Rev19.10

and since you like you music, how do you like this-
www.youtube.com...

or is this more you
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by WolfofWar


I am only talking about defense, so there your answer

reply to post by No King but Jesus


You can't talk about defense. I asked a question, just answer it.

NOT IN DEFENSE.

If god told you to kill somebody would you do it?

Yes or no?


[edit on 7-14-2010 by WolfofWar]

[edit on 7-14-2010 by WolfofWar]

I'm not entirely sure I believe in God or not, but I am entirely sure that organized religion is all a bunch of crap.

I only read the first 6 or so pages and was surprised that no one brought it up by then, and probably it has already been mentioned so forgive me if so. But you keep bringing up the bible as proof of God.

It takes me all of 30 seconds to prove the bible is not correct. The bible says the earth is about 6,000 years old. Bam...done! Here you go for a source on that: www.apologeticspress.org...

The earth is widely accepted by scientists to be over 4.5 billion years old...little off there huh?

The Chritians kind of messed up on that one...

reply to post by WolfofWar


did you see the Word of God I posted for you to come to an educated conclusion? well what did He say? NO MURDERER HAS ETERNAL LIFE-and your asking if "god" would ask me to? cheese and crackers man

reply to post by Pimpish

you may like these maybe not, but it's not as clear cut as you may have thought-

One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone.-Rom14.5

the Most High does not live in houses made by men-Acts7.48

For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them.-Matt18.20

Originally posted by No King but Jesus
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

ah but you do er ah er ah errrrr-

For real?
For really real?
For totally fer sure really for real real?

I er ah er ah errrrr do I? Funny because at the competition I came in "honorable mention" because I did not even know the 'ah er ah' steps but if you think I pulled it off, cool.

"Make an atonement cover of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. And make two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. Make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends. The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover. Place the cover on top of the ark and put in the ark the Testimony, which I will give you.-Ex25

'And the lord said unto them, 'Eat [snip]!''

"Each day prepare your bread as you would barley cakes. While all the people are watching, bake it over a fire using dried human dung as fuel and then eat the bread. For this is what the LORD says: Israel will eat defiled bread in the Gentile lands, where I will banish them!" Then I said, "O Sovereign LORD, must I be defiled by using human dung? For I have never been defiled before. From the time I was a child until now I have never eaten any animal that died of sickness or that I found dead. And I have never eaten any of the animals that our laws forbid." "All right," the LORD said. "You may bake your bread with cow dung instead of human dung." "
- Ezekiel 4:12-15

For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.-Matt24.27

‘If anyone comes to me without hating his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, and even his own life, he can not be my disciple.”
-Luke 14:26

For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."-Rev19.10

“And when he [Jesus] was alone, those present along with the Twelve questioned him about the parables. He answered them, "The mystery of the kingdom of God has been granted to you. But to those outside everything comes in parables, so that 'they may look and see but not perceive, and hear and listen but not understand, in order that they may not be converted and be forgiven.”
- Mark 4:10-12

and since you like you music, how do you like this-
www.youtube.com...

You missed the point. I am not exactly an Elton John fan, more a fan of ironic juxtaposition.

or is this more you
www.youtube.com...

By far more of a AIC fan but still not so sure about the new singer. The songs do not have the same esoteric dark tones they once did and no matter how much Cantrell helps out, it just isn't Lane.
R.I.P.

In 1670, Blaise Pascal wrote the Pensees, where he wrote what's known as Pascal's Wager.

Simply put, he says it's better to believe in God, and live a righteous life. That way, if God exists, you will receive salvation. If there is no God, well, no harm no foul, you will be worm meal. If you don't believe and there is a God, you are kind of screwed.

One thing about atheists, they are more annoying about their religion of non-belief that the most evangelical Christians. They scream "Seperate church and state" yet they are doing whatever they can to make their religion of atheism the state religion.

[edit on 14-7-2010 by MCAinSTL]

Originally posted by No King but Jesus
reply to post by WolfofWar

 

I am only talking about defense, so there your answer

How are you talking about defense? It was not part of the question?

NKBJ, you have been replying to Wolf and myself post for post. In the last page, I have asked you several questions. Wolf has been repeatedly asking one specific question. In all your posts to us, you have failed to answer any.

Here is a question for you. Can you have an honest discussion?

Do not respond with a bible quote that does not relate because you did not understand it and cannot figure out how it should apply. Just answer. I would also like to know how you so blindly follow this voice of a god. I guess you can either start answering questions or just quote the bible to yourself. Seems a little silly to waste all these posts just to ignore people.

So, can you just act like a normal person and answer a question posed to you, since you are responding anyway?

Originally posted by MCAinSTL
In 1670, Blaise Pascal wrote the Pensees, where he wrote what's known as Pascal's Wager.

Simply put, he says it's better to believe in God, and live a righteous life. That way, if God exists, you will receive salvation. If there is no God, well, no harm no foul, you will be worm meal. If you don't believe and there is a God, you are kind of screwed.

I remember learning about that. This used to be one of the main reasons why the belief in a God seemed so attractive to me. Better to be wrong and suffer no harm than be wrong and suffer badly for your decisions. These days I am not so confident this is enough justification to believe in a God. Essentially it relies on my fear as the main motivation for belief.

Here is a basic summary from the Wikipedia page: Pascal's Wager

Pascal's Wager (or Pascal's Gambit) is a suggestion posed by the French philosopher Blaise Pascal that even though the existence of God cannot be determined through reason, a person should wager as though God exists, because living life accordingly has everything to gain, and nothing to lose. It was set out in note 233 of his Pensées, a posthumously published collection of notes made by Pascal in his last years as he worked on a treatise on Christian apologetics.

Historically, Pascal's Wager was groundbreaking as it had charted new territory in probability theory, was one of the first attempts to make use of the concept of infinity, marked the first formal use of decision theory, and anticipated the future philosophies of pragmatism and voluntarism.[1]

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One thing about atheists, they are more annoying about their religion of non-belief that the most evangelical Christians. They scream "Seperate church and state" yet they have are doing whatever they can to make their religion of atheism the state religion.

I do not agree that Atheism is a religion. There are not enough characteristics to fit the definition of belonging to a religion. The only belief they share in common is that there is no separate deity entity that rules over all life.

[edit on 14/7/2010 by Dark Ghost]